Taxi Drivers: Tip or not

Spook_ie · 31-03-2008 02:01PM

Overheal wrote: »

Depends. One time i even skipped payment on a taxi driver for being on his mobile, and then nearly getting us into an accident as a result. I'll tip if they keep a good car drive safe etc.

No excuses for him being on the phone, but what right did that give you to steal from the taxi driver, you should have reported him to the Gards for being on the phone but you also should have paid him...

stovelid · 31-03-2008 02:13PM

I 'm pro-tipping, but I don't always go out of my way to tip taxi drivers.

That said, If I pay, say 10, for an 8 euro fare, or 27 for a 30, I wouldn't wait for the change.

axer · 31-03-2008 02:37PM

Spook_ie wrote: »

No excuses for him being on the phone, but what right did that give you to steal from the taxi driver, you should have reported him to the Gards for being on the phone but you also should have paid him...

He was fully within his rights and 100% correct for not paying the Taxi driver for nearly causing injury and basically frightening the passenger by being negligent. I believe this would actually be covered by the Sale of Goods and Supply of Services act 1980. It might also make the taxi driver think again the next time he/she decides to put his/her client at risk of injury/death.

Spook_ie · 31-03-2008 02:43PM

axer wrote: »

He was fully within his rights and 100% correct for not paying the Taxi driver for nearly causing injury and basically frightening the passenger by being negligent. This would actually be covered by the Sale of Goods and Supply of Services act 1980.

I wouldn't have said so. The supplier supplied a service ( taking the passenger home ) the cost of supplying the service had been agreed ( It's a taxi, the fare is metered ) the fact that there was an alleged incident on the journey does not give the right to cancel the contract without payment at the end of the transaction. Now if the poster had said to the supplier that he was disatisfied with the journey before completion, he may have been entitled to reduce the fare, but the refusal to pay the fare would have been a criminal matter.

As I said he should have paid the fare and reported the driver to the Gardai

axer · 31-03-2008 02:54PM

Spook_ie wrote: »

I wouldn't have said so. The supplier supplied a service ( taking the passenger home ) the cost of supplying the service had been agreed ( It's a taxi, the fare is metered ) the fact that there was an alleged incident on the journey does not give the right to cancel the contract without payment at the end of the transaction. Now if the poster had said to the supplier that he was disatisfied with the journey before completion, he may have been entitled to reduce the fare, but the refusal to pay the fare would have been a criminal matter.

As I said he should have paid the fare and reported the driver to the Gardai

One of the implied terms of the contract under s39 (b) of the sale of goods act is

that he will supply the service with due skill, care and diligence

I don't think the driver supplied the service in that manner. The passenger should have reported the driver to the Gardai, possibly the Taxi regulator (not sure if they deal with this type of thing) and refuse to pay entirely or only pay part.

kevmy · 31-03-2008 03:13PM

On the whole tipping thing it's completely different between here and America.

Minimum wage over there is something like $5-6 which comes out as something like €3-4 which is nothing. People in the service industry over there actually need their tips to live people here don't.

Now thats not saying that if someone here done their job really well or went out of their way to help you I wouldn't give a little extra. And I just mightn't bother getting change for some things. But if I went out and got regular service and the meal came to say €100 I wouldn't leave a €15 tip as would be customary in the States.

Additionally there is a service charge built into prices in restaurants, pubs, hotels etc. here that people forget about. So if you don't think the service was very good why pay any tip you just end up paying twice for something you didn't think was good.

PullMyFinger! · 31-03-2008 03:28PM

Never ever tip the fuuuckers. Ever.

My one and only ban on Boards was a rant over these shower of grasping basturds so I'll leave it at that.

Tusky · 31-03-2008 03:31PM

I very rarely tip. Tipping is used to show appreciation of good service in jobs that are usually underpaid. Taxi men earn enough money as it is. All they are doing is driving a car around all day.

I used to feel obliged to tip but now I always wait for all my change. I tip in restaurants & barbers for good service though.

StormWarrior · 31-03-2008 05:03PM

I never tip. Why should I, I pay enough for the service already. I tipped in America but only because everything was ridiculously cheap.

axer · 31-03-2008 05:52PM

Tusky wrote: »

I tip in restaurants & barbers for good service though.

But all they do is serve you with food and cut your hair respectively.

Ruu_Old · 31-03-2008 05:56PM

No tips for taxi drivers. Seems like Ireland has gone tipping mad, loads of money to throw around.

zuchum · 31-03-2008 06:02PM

depends on the driver and "the patented amount of change i'm waiting for vs. begrudging taxi man looks graph"..

celticwe · 31-03-2008 07:05PM

no way ....rip off anyway

OPENROAD · 31-03-2008 07:06PM

Never tip taxi drivers in Dublin,standard of taxis are still very poor in Dublin.

If in London I will either round up the fare or if the driver has taken a few short cuts I normally give a bit more i.e. fare is £8, I might give £10.

artanevilla · 31-03-2008 07:25PM

Depends on if they are chatty or not really.

Spook_ie · 31-03-2008 09:10PM

axer wrote: »

One of the implied terms of the contract under s39 (b) of the sale of goods act is I don't think the driver supplied the service in that manner. The passenger should have reported the driver to the Gardai, possibly the Taxi regulator (not sure if they deal with this type of thing) and refuse to pay entirely or only pay part.

Actualy if you look at the TRs website you ARE entitled to the following

Customer Rights
As a customer, it is your right to:

Not be charged more than the metered fare when travelling by taxi or no more than the agreed fare.
Not be charged more than the agreed fare when travelling by hackney or limousine;
Be given a printed receipt at the end of a taxi journey, and a written receipt on payment of the fare for a hackney or limousine journey;
Not be unreasonably refused service with a 30km radius of the pick up point/point of hire;
See driver licence details and fare card clearly displayed;
Direct the destination and route taken;
Be accompanied by a guide dog/mobility aid at no extra charge;
A driver who is courteous and helpful;
A driver who is neatly dressed;
A driver who knows the major routes and destinations;
Be carried in a clean and roadworthy vehicle

You are NOT actualy given the right to have a safe journey, as I said the poster should have paid the fare, complained to the Gardai ( dangerous driving ), he should not have Stolen the service

Spook_ie · 31-03-2008 09:13PM

axer wrote: »

I agree - taxi's are overcharging for things such as that.

So just what do you view as unsociable hours?

axer · 31-03-2008 11:56PM

Mr.S wrote: »

its a way of saying thanks, sure you dont HAVE to do it, your not expected to (in Ireland anyway) but meh, if they've done a good job, why not add on a few euro?

Whats wrong with the good old fashion "Thanks!"?

Spook_ie wrote: »

Actualy if you look at the TRs website you ARE entitled to the following

You are NOT actualy given the right to have a safe journey, as I said the poster should have paid the fare, complained to the Gardai ( dangerous driving ), he should not have Stolen the service

So what are you saying - that if the taxi driver drives the car whilst talking to someone on his mobile, crashes into another vehicle because of his negligence resulting in the passenger losing his legs that the Taxi driver is still entitled to bill the passenger for the journey?

I'm afraid the sale of goods act still applies to taxi journey's. Even if the act didnt apply - would you not think it is without saying (i.e. an implied condition of the oral contract) that the driver would get you to the destination safetly and would not put your life in danger? I believe any reasonable person would.

Spook_ie wrote: »

So just what do you view as unsociable hours?

I would be thinking before 7am but I am thinking that Taxis are over priced in general in Ireland just like most other things. I guess other people don't think so when they don't think they are even being charged enough so they give even more.

WECpoker · 01-04-2008 03:23AM

Regardless of where I am traveling I ALWAYS tip Taxi drivers (unless bad service). I tip all service providers where it is appropriate unless the service is well below standards (it has to be bad for zero tip).

I will continue until Taxi Drivers and Barbers become attached to the Upper Class and move into Mansions with my tip monies.

To be honest...I feel badly when I do not tip. I can even remember certain times when I didnt have the money to tip and told the driver how sorry I was not to have the money to tip (one was taxi from Amsterdam to airport)

magick · 01-04-2008 03:27AM

Oh sweet jesus not this Sh*t again

why the hell should i pay extra for a standard service?
we are already ripped off as it is here without paying extra

Spook_ie · 01-04-2008 06:10AM

axer wrote: »

Whats wrong with the good old fashion "Thanks!"?

So what are you saying - that if the taxi driver drives the car whilst talking to someone on his mobile, crashes into another vehicle because of his negligence resulting in the passenger losing his legs that the Taxi driver is still entitled to bill the passenger for the journey?

I'm afraid the sale of goods act still applies to taxi journey's. Even if the act didnt apply - would you not think it is without saying (i.e. an implied condition of the oral contract) that the driver would get you to the destination safetly and would not put your life in danger? I believe any reasonable person would.

I would be thinking before 7am but I am thinking that Taxis are over priced in general in Ireland just like most other things. I guess other people don't think so when they don't think they are even being charged enough so they give even more.

No, what I am saying that you shouldn't steal a service provided by a service provider, if you did have an accident then its up to your solicitors, the insurers and gardai to sort out. The service you are taking with a taxi is to take you from A to B, for a metered fare. If the journey is completed, then you are liable to the fare. Not to pay the fare, just because you have umpage with his driving skills ( or nowadays...lack of ) doesn't excuse robbery.

As to unsocial hours why 7am and not 8am, why not 7.30 or 7.15 you have to have some point of reference and the majority of daytime jobs would be deemed as starting after 8.00am

Xavi6 · 01-04-2008 06:22AM

magick wrote: »

Oh sweet jesus not this Sh*t again

why the hell should i pay extra for a standard service?
we are already ripped off as it is here without paying extra

Eh who said you should pay?

If you don't want then fair enough but I think anyone who takes a euro change back from a 29 euro taxi fair is nothing more than a tight arse.

TerrorFirmer · 01-04-2008 09:21AM

No. Most of them try to rip me off by adding extra to our fare at the end, obviously not realising I am sober (only taxis I get are at 2am). My final fare has differed by ten entire euro between cheapest and most expensive, for the same journey.

axer · 01-04-2008 11:42AM

Spook_ie wrote: »

No, what I am saying that you shouldn't steal a service provided by a service provider, if you did have an accident then its up to your solicitors, the insurers and gardai to sort out. The service you are taking with a taxi is to take you from A to B, for a metered fare. If the journey is completed, then you are liable to the fare. Not to pay the fare, just because you have umpage with his driving skills ( or nowadays...lack of ) doesn't excuse robbery.

Robbery? Its just not paying for a bad service. The passenger contracts the taxi driver to bring them from A to B with "due skill, care and diligence". If they do not do that then why should the passenger pay for the service that was agreed on that he/she didnt get as agreed?

Does that mean if I get into a taxi and the taxi driver driver drives like a lunatic, breaking many laws and nearly causing an accident countless times - frightening the life of me each time that you think I should pay? I for one would tell him to fúck off and never get into his/her taxi again.

I think too many people like you accept bad service because they are too nice to say it. That is why there are so many shoddy service providers in Ireland getting away with it.

Kold · 05-04-2008 12:36PM

Are you kidding me? They make more in a 20 minute drive than I do in an hour.

Spook_ie · 05-04-2008 01:03PM

axer wrote: »

Robbery? Its just not paying for a bad service. The passenger contracts the taxi driver to bring them from A to B with "due skill, care and diligence". If they do not do that then why should the passenger pay for the service that was agreed on that he/she didnt get as agreed?

Does that mean if I get into a taxi and the taxi driver driver drives like a lunatic, breaking many laws and nearly causing an accident countless times - frightening the life of me each time that you think I should pay? I for one would tell him to fúck off and never get into his/her taxi again.

I think too many people like you accept bad service because they are too nice to say it. That is why there are so many shoddy service providers in Ireland getting away with it.

No that means you tell the driver to stop, pay him, get his details, report him and get another taxi...

Either that or the driver wasn't as big a lunatic as you say and you weren't in fear of your life and just decided to use it as an excuse to steal the fare after you got to your destination

sinlessgunner · 05-04-2008 01:51PM

I get the same taxi driver all the time. Fair enough I live down the country so it's easy to do this. But he always prioritises me. He has postponed many fares to take me home first. I feel that his appreciation of my custom and his dedication to his regular customers warrants a fair tip. He has never overcharged me, there was nights when he brought me home when I was a couple of euro short of the fare and other such courtesies. As a result I would often give him a very generous tip which I feel he deserves.

However if I get another Taxi I won't tip the driver, regardless of the quality of the service. I pay the agreed fee and I thank the driver. This, I feel, is the way it should be. Taxi's are much too expensive IMO. I often paid taxi fares that would fill my car with petrol for the week.

Taxi Drivers: Tip or not

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