Standing For the National Anthem(in the pub)

Sir Gallagher · 26-03-2008 07:58PM #1

Whats the point in standing up in the pub at the end of the night in the pub for the national anthem? Is there anybody out there with a logical answer?

I'm all for standing up for it at sporting events etc. showing a little respect and national pride is all well and good in the right circumstances, but who ever thought it was a good idea to get it going after a good ol knees up down the pub. I can't help but feel it serves the exact opposite purpose of what it's supposed to, it's just crap and embarrasing at this stage basically.

Karl Hungus · 26-03-2008 08:00PM

Can't say I've ever been out in a pub where this has happened. Does it really happen?

monkeyfudge · 26-03-2008 08:01PM

I usually slip off to the toilet to avoid it.

Thankfully only rubbish pubs will play it at the end of the night so it's rarely an issue.

Ghost Town by The Specials FTW!

Karl Hungus · 26-03-2008 08:04PM

monkeyfudge wrote: »

Ghost Town by The Specials FTW!

Overheal · 26-03-2008 08:07PM

Yeah wtf everyone stands up and there isnt even a baseball game on. Pfft.

Sherifu · 26-03-2008 08:08PM

That Father Ted ep - classic :pac:

kerash · 26-03-2008 08:13PM

My teacher used to say you should stand up whenever you hear our national anthem, even if your at home on your own...He was serious.

javaboy · 26-03-2008 08:13PM

A rousing rendition of the anthem at Croker or Landsdowne (or watching it on the telly at Giants Stadium) can bring tears to your eyes.

Being glowered at by some drunken lout for not 'stannin up n showin a birra reshpect fur yeer country' at the end of the night is embarassing. I think I'll show my respect by not staggering around with puke on my brogues while our anthem is played at the end of the night. :mad:

lostexpectation · 26-03-2008 08:20PM

refuse to do it

monkeyfudge · 26-03-2008 08:20PM

Playing New York, New York at the end of the night is almost as tiresome.

And you're treated as some sort of social recluse if you don't get up and put your arms around everyone else's shoulders.

Sir Gallagher · 26-03-2008 08:20PM

javaboy wrote: »

A rousing rendition of the anthem at Croker or Landsdowne (or watching it on the telly at Giants Stadium) can bring tears to your eyes.

Being glowered at by some drunken lout for not 'stannin up n showin a birra reshpect fur yeer country' at the end of the night is embarassing. I think I'll show my respect by not staggering around with puke on my brogues while our anthem is played at the end of the night. :mad:

Hear hear.

Sir Gallagher · 26-03-2008 08:22PM

lostexpectation wrote: »

refuse to do it

The odd time i do but sometimes it causes more hassle than its worth.

twanda · 26-03-2008 08:24PM

I don't think that even the bands actually want everyone to stand up when they play it either. Some bands just use it as a polite way of saying ' feck off -no more requests- we're finished playing'.
I don't find it annoying though. It can be funny when you have someone not from Ireland in your company who has no idea why everyone is standing up all of a sudden.

Mr. Presentable · 26-03-2008 08:30PM

You should stand out of respect for your country whenever you hear your anthem. However, the pub is not an appropriate place for it to be played, nor is the cinema, nor the 65B when it gets to Blessington.

SoupyNorman · 26-03-2008 08:37PM

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

Whats the point in standing up in the pub at the end of the night in the pub for the national anthem? Is there anybody out there with a logical answer?

I'm all for standing up for it at sporting events etc. showing a little respect and national pride is all well and good in the right circumstances, but who ever thought it was a good idea to get it going after a good ol knees up down the pub. I can't help but feel it serves the exact opposite purpose of what it's supposed to, it's just crap and embarrasing at this stage basically.

Oh Gawd...Independent thought alarm!

You must do what the masses are doing, be a sheep. Not to do so will only draw attention to ones self and one wouldnt like that would one.

JCDUB · 26-03-2008 08:37PM

I've only heard it in a certain rather run-down pub in the Cabra area, followed by a hearty "Tiocfaidh Ar La" from all the undesirables scattered about the pub.
Classy..

The Real B-man · 26-03-2008 08:38PM

What pub you go to

Wertz · 26-03-2008 08:47PM

Funny story, few years back the firm I was with had two young polskis working for them. We were all at the xmas party and at the end of the night the DJ turned up the lights and banged on Amhrán na bhFiann...now the two lads were well on it and had been, up 'til this point, going mental to Shakin' Stevens or whatever...they didn't know WTF was going on and were still insisting on dancing, cheering and making merry. Cue dirty looks and potential shape throwing from the older Irish male element on the dancefloor...my boss had to call them aside and tell them to STFU and they're all "Why? Why? it's christmas" still laughing away and dancing etc.
Funny as hell....it wasn't till the anthem was over that they could understand what was going on...well comprehend. Who the hell understands why the need is felt to play the NA at the end of a feckin' disco? I bloody well can't....unless it's some sort of cunning sobriety test to see who's actually capable of standing...

Dudess · 26-03-2008 08:47PM

I've only experienced it once. A couple of mates were over in Cork from England and they really wanted to go to a pub that played trad music. So we were gonna head to a crusty-ish place that has sean-nós singing and the like (e.g. An Spailpin Fánach or An Cruiscin Lán for those of you from Cork). But then one of the group spotted a poster advertising trad music that night in a particular chavvy, flash knacker pub (won't say the name) so we went there out of laziness and cos it was raining and in November (it was much nearer than the other places). Big mistake. The "repertoire" was more rebel song than trad and the band were even yelling "Ooh ah! Up the Ra!" etc. I felt so embarrassed and awkward that I couldn't even look at the English lads. And of course the other customers were just obnoxious scobes.
Anyhoo, naturally the national anthem kicked in at the end. I was so appalled at the band there was absolutely no way I was gonna stand up (not that I would anyway, but this really took the biscuit). Oh the looks I got! And even from my mates (they were just worried about my safety). Couldn't bring myself to do it though. I thought it was utterly disgusting. I didn't get assaulted... but that's cos my mates grabbed me and we ran.

JCDUB · 26-03-2008 08:48PM

The one with no windows, you know it, don't make me say it, I fookin despised the kip (used to go out with a girl from Cabra.)

Was a fan of the Homestead though, lovely spot!

Dudess · 26-03-2008 08:52PM

I've Doyles and the one opposite in my head. I know they're in Phibsborough but that's pretty near Cabra isn't it?

JCDUB · 26-03-2008 08:56PM

Yes quite near, but this place is a little bit more "comanche country" than those..

randylonghorn · 26-03-2008 09:35PM

If they insist on playing it, I will stand for it.

However, to my mind, playing it in such a setting is far more disrespectful than someone not standing. It just shouldn't happen.

truecrippler · 26-03-2008 09:47PM

I did the night before Paddies day. Got embarrassed to took a huge crap in the toilet to get away from it.

Agent Smith · 26-03-2008 10:27PM

i stand as a mark of respect. It shouldnt however be played in the pub.

26-03-2008 10:46PM

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

Whats the point in standing up in the pub at the end of the night in the pub for the national anthem? Is there anybody out there with a logical answer?

I'm all for standing up for it at sporting events etc. showing a little respect and national pride is all well and good in the right circumstances, but who ever thought it was a good idea to get it going after a good ol knees up down the pub. I can't help but feel it serves the exact opposite purpose of what it's supposed to, it's just crap and embarrasing at this stage basically.

I have to say, I think it's ridiculous the drunken fools in pubs at the end of a night, which has been subject to a ****ty dj who knows of nothing better to play.

I didn't stand for ages, as I found the concept of doing so to be a proper sham but have given in due to cranky friends insisting on such an action.

IanCurtis · 26-03-2008 11:14PM

Wertz wrote: »

Funny story, few years back the firm I was with had two young polskis working for them........ my boss had to call them aside and tell them to STFU and they're all "Why? Why? it's christmas" still laughing away and dancing etc.

What dignified and loyal employees and how lucky are we to have such respectful immigrants :rolleyes:

P45 each and enjoy your flight home.

dlofnep · 26-03-2008 11:18PM

I'd have no problem in standing up for it and I wouldn't feel weird about it either. It's just a gesture of respect.

Dudess · 26-03-2008 11:29PM

IanCurtis wrote: »

What dignified and loyal employees and how lucky are we to have such respectful immigrants :rolleyes:

P45 each and enjoy your flight home.

I call irony.

If a person wants to stand for it, fine (although I object to it being played in pubs but if it is, so be it). However, there's no need for yobbish behaviour against those who choose not to stand for it.

How come the only pubs/clubs I can imagine it being played in are those frequented by knackers/muck savages/inbreds etc...?

shane86 · 26-03-2008 11:30PM

JCDUB wrote: »

I've only heard it in a certain rather run-down pub in the Cabra area, followed by a hearty "Tiocfaidh Ar La" from all the undesirables scattered about the pub.
Classy..

JCDUB wrote: »

The one with no windows, you know it, don't make me say it, I fookin despised the kip (used to go out with a girl from Cabra.)

Was a fan of the Homestead though, lovely spot!

Wouldnt happen to have the area name and the word House in the name would it.

Jesus christ. Last March my mate was doing karate in Cabra until 3, meaning he wouldnt be back in Blanch in time for the Ireland v Wales Euro qualifier, so I says feck it, Ill fly down and we will head for a few scoops somewhere decent.

Anyway, he calls me at 2:55 and says he has been delayed for another hour, not wanting to miss the match I head for a pub, any pub, and unfortunately the only place I can find in the village is a large black former nuclear bomb shelter that has an alcohol licence and a tv.

Its actually quite nice inside decor wise, but when I saw the outside Im like "holy jesus, Im going in here on my own?!!?".

As for the anthem, Ive only ever heard it in country pubs. Im all for it at sporting events* (one of the reasons I cant get the national pride behind watching rugby) but in country pubs you just get locked nobs who think/wish they were in the ra.

*: except for the awul rendition some lad did at a Bernard Dunne fight some months back.

Aye, the lads of 1916 died for that alright :rolleyes:

Wertz · 26-03-2008 11:36PM

IanCurtis wrote: »

What dignified and loyal employees and how lucky are we to have such respectful immigrants :rolleyes:

P45 each and enjoy your flight home.

In case you're not a troll;
How were these two lads, in the country for 6 months, to know of our backward ways, espeially after a bath full of vodka each and who knows what else?
I didn't take it as being disrespectful...it's just ignorance and drunkeness...something we Irish are very very good at when we inflict ourselves on other cultures. Had they ended up getting a dig or something over it I'd have been a lot more annoyed at the person doing the digging than the two lads, who at the end of it all were at a party in a foreign country.

You're also assuming they had a P45...the joys of the black economy are still alive and well in noughties Ireland, for those of you insulated in your cushy careers...

Standing For the National Anthem(in the pub)

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