Uniteds Current Squad (Ronaldo, Nani etc etc)

CHD · 25-03-2008 05:40PM

plonk wrote: »

Ya but you can't compare the eircom league to the premiership. Ronaldo is playing at a top level for one of the best clubs in europe.

Exactly

You cant compare Ronaldo to Keane Figo Zidane and say hes better cause he scored more goals

Mr. Incognito · 25-03-2008 05:47PM

I agree, but if I need a new mobile phone I'll go to watch figo play. If I want to see goals I'll go watch Ronaldo.

The point is whether Ronaldo is a better player than those. I personally think he is, a petulant child perhaps but better than Figo in his heyday- absolutely. Figo was a devistating winger but he wasn't as dangerous as Ronaldo, every time Ronaldo gets the ball you have the feeling that he could score. In almost every game this season he has, be that champions league (6 goals in 7 appearances) where no-one can argue with the opposition or the FA cup where one can.

Keane was a solid professional but if he wasn't Irish we'd only rate him as another journey man, Viera was a mean defensive rock, but neither is an accurate comparison with Ronaldo who is a totally different player.

Zidane was a god, but he has is retired and has 12/13 years under his belt of top quality football. I think in ten years time we'll concede that Ronaldo is and was better than all 4.

Not just on goals but on all round ability.

Im_No_Superman · 25-03-2008 05:51PM

SetantaL wrote:

Keane was a solid professional but if he wasn't Irish we'd only rate him as another journey man

Sweet Jesus Ive heard it all now! :eek::rolleyes:

CHD · 25-03-2008 05:54PM

Im_No_Superman wrote: »

Sweet Jesus Ive heard it all now! :eek::rolleyes:

i know.:D

He hasnt a clue

CHD · 25-03-2008 05:54PM

Im_No_Superman wrote: »

Sweet Jesus Ive heard it all now! :eek::rolleyes:

i know.:D

He hasnt a clue

Mr. Incognito · 25-03-2008 05:55PM

Okay, Keane was great, but I still can't stand the twat.

LegacyUser · 25-03-2008 05:56PM

citytillidie wrote: »

Such a skill Roberto Carlos lived off 1 for years.

Or the Goal Keepers in South America with high scoring records taking Pens and Free Kicks you would hardly call them skillful players if they are playing in nets.

Why not? South Americans are just that technical...regardless of their position. Plus, just because they don't do stepovers does not make them unskillful. Playing in goal is a skill.

Mr. Incognito · 25-03-2008 06:00PM

Exactly

You cant compare Ronaldo to Keane Figo Zidane and say hes better cause he scored more goals

Why not it's a valid point. They are comparable leagues. The league of Ireland is not.

25-03-2008 06:01PM

citytillidie wrote: »

Such a skill Roberto Carlos lived off 1 for years.

Or the Goal Keepers in South America with high scoring records taking Pens and Free Kicks you would hardly call them skillful players if they are playing in nets.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:Yea sure anyone can whip in a free kick, those guys in the EPL are so lucky to get paid for it while we sit at home on our asses aqnd dont get paid huge amounts of money for taking specialist free kicks. What was I thinking?

Nalz · 25-03-2008 06:01PM

some of the comments here are laughable

CHD · 25-03-2008 06:09PM

Trilla wrote: »

some of the comments here are laughable

i agree.

this thread should be locked up!

hamnegg · 25-03-2008 06:11PM

SetantaL wrote: »

Okay, Keane was great, but I still can't stand the twat.

so he's gone from being a journey man to being great.

If your taking the p**s your funny.

hamnegg · 25-03-2008 06:13PM

SetantaL wrote: »

Why not it's a valid point. They are comparable leagues. The league of Ireland is not.

I think he was taking the mick mentioning Jason Byrne. My neighbour scored 30 in 20 In the U12D brenfer league from left back.

FatherTed · 25-03-2008 06:33PM

chdpoker wrote: »

are you for real?!?!those players are all top class! dont be so stupid!footbal isnt about just scoring goals.ronaldo isnt better than Viera, Keane, Figo and hes nowhere near as good as Zidane.as i said think before you speak.Footballers skills arent measured by goals.People like you that say Ronaldo is best in the world and then back it up by saying well hes scored more goals so he must be worlds best.yeah good point.

Ronaldo is not the best player in the world.Jason byrne made 122 apps. for Shelbourne scoring 83 goals.That must make him better than Zidane and all aswell.

So WHO do YOU think is the best player in the world this year?

Mr. Incognito · 25-03-2008 06:34PM

Hamnegg and Hdpoker- you can laugh at me all day, but neither of you has addressed the points that were laid out.

I have clearly refuted your positions on Ronaldo, which is the topic in hand. Can either of you give me a logical argument on why these players are better than Ronaldo?

hamnegg · 25-03-2008 06:38PM

FatherTed wrote: »

So WHO do YOU think is the best player in the world this year?

Think we need a new thread.
Poll anyone??

Ronaldo?

Byrne?

My 12 year old neighbour?

Zidane, in his best year just to spice it up? (Sorry scrap that he doesn't score enough?

Keane, again in his day?(Sorry journey man, or his he great?!)

hamnegg · 25-03-2008 06:54PM

SetantaL wrote: »

Hamnegg and Hdpoker- you can laugh at me all day, but neither of you has addressed the points that were laid out.

I have clearly refuted your positions on Ronaldo, which is the topic in hand. Can either of you give me a logical argument on why these players are better than Ronaldo?

For the 20th time They have performed, sorry dominated on the big stage. Back to the wall they grabbed the game by the scruff of the neck.

Hamann/Gerrard Vs. Milan. Both showed up when it counted
Where Gerrard was Sunday I don't know but now and again he does!
Beckham Vs. Greece. That free kick, pressure on he delivered.

Owen Vs. Arsenal 2001 F.A. Cup final. 10 mins left 1 down(and should have at least 3) he robs Arsenal. 2 good finishes.

Zidane Vs.... I don't have all day

Figo Vs. Barca on his return to play them.

Again I repeat
They have performed, sorry dominated on the big stage, when they were really badly needed.

Ronaldo hasn't, yet

deisedevil · 25-03-2008 07:09PM

I have never seen so much being made of whether any other player is the best in the world. Ronaldo is not liked for many reasons, some valid and some unfair and because of this he isn't given a fair assesment by many people.
I still haven't seen anyone come up with a decent reason why there is a better player in the world right now. All i have seen is comments about why Ronaldo isn't good enough to be world no. 1. Why are people concentrating on putting him down rather than concentrating on who IS the best player?

hamnegg · 25-03-2008 07:20PM

deisedevil wrote: »

I have never seen so much being made of whether any other player is the best in the world. Ronaldo is not liked for many reasons, some valid and some unfair and because of this he isn't given a fair assesment by many people.
I still haven't seen anyone come up with a decent reason why there is a better player in the world right now. All i have seen is comments about why Ronaldo isn't good enough to be world no. 1. Why are people concentrating on putting him down rather than concentrating on who IS the best player?

If you're looking for the best player over a season I don't think there is anyone better. I'm a liverpool fan saying that. He's class.

The Sparrow · 25-03-2008 08:48PM

@SetantaL I just read your list of quotes a few pages ago... You still dont get it... I asked you for proof of one person saying that Ronaldo needs to score more goals. So instead you post lots of ppl saying that he needs to play better against stronger opposition. That is not the same as saying that Ronaldo needs to score goals which none of those posters said. How do you still not grasp that when myself and others talk about Ronaldo needing to improve against bigger teams that we do NOT mean that he just needs to score more goals against them

SetantaL wrote:

Keane was a solid professional but if he wasn't Irish we'd only rate him as another journey man

Ok that might be why... not the greatest grasp of reality there!! wow... just wow!! :eek::eek:

astroturf wrote:

SetantaL has just deconstructed almost your entire argument in one, not very long, post.

You can hold whatever opinion you like, doesn't mean that if you share it on here, that anyone can't disagree with you, and show you why that opinion is wrong and should be changed.

See above! He didnt as much deconstruct my post as fail to answer my intial question to show where posters said that Ronaldo needed more goals. And as for the second point I am all for ppl having different opinions... I just wish that they read my opinion if they are going to disagree with it and at leasst try to understand it.

Deleted User wrote:

Im sorry but are u using sports stars in individual sports to justify why a guy in a team sport is not great?

Guys like Federer etc dont have to concern themselves with being double marked by opposition defenders..... The whole basis of your argument is flawed.

Im not gonna get into this cos I agree with the above posts so no need to add to it but this whole "he doesnt dominate like Tiger Woods does" is ludicrous.

I didnt use any of those examples initially... Other posters such as astroturf did and I was just carrying on their arguments. That is why I quoted their posts in mine so there would be no confusion. And my point is that it is a ludicrous comparison. In fact the whole point of this thread was the shock at hearing Jamie Redknapp compare Ronaldo to Tiger Woods and me saying how ridiculous that was. Again please try and at least read some of the previous posts and take those ideas on board.

This thread has made me realise that the whole "best player in the world" is such a pointless concept unless it is judged at the end of a season. Who would care how many goals Ronaldo has scored if Messi scores six goals against Utd in a semi-final and a hat-trick in the final as well as scoring 15 goals in the remaining La Liga games as Barca win the title.

My point is that everyone should wait until the end of the season to crown the world's best player. Who cares who the supposed worlds player of the year is in March???

juanveron45 · 25-03-2008 09:01PM

I ask this as a manutd fan but has owen hargreaves been found out or is it just his injury problems thats affecting his selection for manutd?

The Sparrow · 25-03-2008 09:04PM

I actually think that he has played very well when he has been able to. So I think it is just the case of a lot of niggly injuries interrupting his season. I expect lots from him next year!

Chong · 25-03-2008 09:09PM

ITs just injuries he is Mr Sick Note, but hey he aint as bad as Darren Anderton or should say that flipping muppet that is Louis Saha.

Peyton Manning · 25-03-2008 09:20PM

Hampered by injuries - has always impressed when he played. More suited to a 3 man midfield though.

An Citeog · 25-03-2008 09:22PM

Against the majority of Premiership teams, he's not really needed because United tend to have so much of the ball. It's the big games in the EPL and in the CL that he was bought for and he's definitely impressed me so far in those (particularly Liverpool away and Arsenal away this season).

Attractive Nun · 25-03-2008 09:23PM

I think he's just been very unlucky that injuries haven't allowed him much of a run in the team. With Anderson's form in the first half of the season and Carrick's in the second (plus, Paul Scholes being Paul Scholes) he's also found it tough to break into the team at all. He has had some very good games this season - against Spurs in the cup, for one - but he needs to develop a partnership with someone next season to get a good run in the team. I reckon Hargreaves/Anderson could be seen a lot next season.

I still think he's a top class defensive midfielder. That said, he has quite a bit to prove and is currently behind Mascherano, Flamini and Essien in my books.

Peyton Manning · 25-03-2008 09:26PM

Attractive Nun wrote: »

I think he's just been very unlucky that injuries haven't allowed him much of a run in the team. With Anderson's form in the first half of the season and Carrick's in the second (plus, Paul Scholes being Paul Scholes) he's also found it tough to break into the team at all. He has had some very good games this season - against Spurs in the cup, for one - but he needs to develop a partnership with someone next season to get a good run in the team. I reckon Hargreaves/Anderson could be seen a lot next season.

I still think he's a top class defensive midfielder. That said, he has quite a bit to prove and is currently behind Mascherano, Flamini and Essien in my books.

Id put him on a par with Mascherano and Flamini, but none of them come near Essien. That bloke, in my opinion, in Ronaldo's biggest contender to be best player in the world.

Attractive Nun · 25-03-2008 09:31PM

Archimedes wrote: »

Id put him on a par with Mascherano and Flamini, but none of them come near Essien. That bloke, in my opinion, in Ronaldo's biggest contender to be best player in the world.

Really? Obviously he's a great player and all, but I wouldn't have rated him that highly at all. Haven't seen too many full Chelsea matches this season to be honest, but I had thought his form had dipped a bit. Sure he was playing right back there the other day!

CantGetNoSleep · 25-03-2008 09:42PM

A more defensive player such as Essien is much less likely to be given the Best player in teh world title

Pepe LeFrits · 25-03-2008 10:03PM

I don't think his form has been as good this season but Essien is still awesome. I shat myself when he was moved into central midfield against Arsenal (metaphorically speaking). Chelsea won.

Uniteds Current Squad (Ronaldo, Nani etc etc)

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