talking to the ref, who should be allowed to?

BrianCalgary · 24-03-2008 03:20PM

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

anyone on the pitch or management should be allowed talk to the ref. if what is said is abusive, refs have the power to deal with the offender. thats should be that.

are you arguing that a player shouldnt, for example, be allowed point out to the ref that a player is badly hurt out of his view?

referees are a protected species these days, they have become above criticism.

You're dead right, anyone should be allowed to talk to the ref. As a coach, player and ref, the best games are those when dialogue happens between all players, coaches and refs.

As long as the chatter keeps respectful than there is no problem.

Mascharenos problem was the language he used, and the sprinting 30yards across the field to give Bennett a piece of his mind was the final straw as he'd had a yap after every foul either way.

If it was just captains you'd have a lot more frustrated players. I would rather a player give his frustrations to me as opposed to hammering and injuring an opponent.

Kevster · 25-03-2008 12:29AM

I am of the opinion that only the captain should be allowed to talk to the referee. It's a pity therefore when you realise that managers choose absolute immature plonkers as captains for their teams. You've heard this before but just look at how they do it in rugby - Why can't soccer be like that?

The fact of the matter is that soccer players are spoiled brats.

Chardee MacDennis · 25-03-2008 01:03AM

el rabitos wrote: »

only england internationals should be allowed talk to the ref. they're the best players and the only ones that dont foul opponents on purpose.

and they never dive, or try to take the cards out of the refs hand etc, etc...

wouldnt it be nice if there were no english players in the prem, we would get a lot more unbiased refereeing and media then!

Kevster wrote: »

I am of the opinion that only the captain should be allowed to talk to the referee. It's a pity therefore when you realise that managers choose absolute immature plonkers as captains for their teams. You've heard this before but just look at how they do it in rugby - Why can't soccer be like that?

The fact of the matter is that soccer players are spoiled brats.

in fairness i have seen BOD give some refs a fierce amount of abuse and dont get me started on Delaglio or Johnson who gave refs a bollicking in their time...

jank · 25-03-2008 01:21AM

Football could learn a lot from Rugby and the attituted to the ref should be
Number 1!

ziggy · 25-03-2008 09:35AM

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prendy · 25-03-2008 10:45AM

ziggy wrote: »

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then clubs wont make keepers captain.
seriously first day of next season the ref's should book anyone who gives them lip thats not the captain...if a few teams have a few men suspended it'll stop completely within 2-3 weeks.
the problem stems from the fact that players know they'll get away with it. its been happening for years....anyone hear thompson on soccer saturday?he basically said hei liverpool team of the 70's-80's were encouraged to harass the ref and he admitted that they were masters of it.

LuckyLloyd · 25-03-2008 10:56AM

- Referee should be allowed to call any player over for a chat / telling off / etc;
- Apart from the captain, no player should be allowed to speak / complain / remonstrate to the ref;
- It should be incumbant upon the captain to communicate general concerns a referee has with a teams behaviour to his teammates;
- The referee should be able to book / send off a captain on behalf of a team that is persistently breaking certain rules and fails to modify their behaviour despite numerous warnings;
- Equally to the above, a captain should have the right to request an explanation of any decision made by a referee. This puts the onus on a ref to be able to clearly explain why they have made a certain decision;

You bring all the above in and there will never be more than one or two players from an individual team around a ref at any one time. There will be no more tantrums and bad language being spouted off at a ref after penalty decisions, etc. And the position of captain will be one of real representation and leadership.

Do that for six months and make it work - and then you will be able to mic up the ref and have their decisions and process transmitted to the fans and media in an open and transparent fashion.

ditpoker · 25-03-2008 01:17PM

at the end of the day it is football, its not rugby, its not played the same way. The speed is different, rugby is very stop start. its a different game. being able to question the ref and give out is part and parcel of the game. the ref's should be thick skinned enough to deal with an earful of abuse, if it gets out of hand send off players. the game would be very dull if a player got hacked down in the box at the speed the game goes and rather than protesting with 30,000 fans like all fans do, he just stood up and looked sheepishly at his captain 40 yards away and expect him to do the complaining... AND, when has any ref ever reversed a decision because of harassment. i agree the extreme harrassment should be punished, but giving out is part of the passion of the game.

players gave out and complained to Collina, but no one ever got in his face and abusive cos Collina can stamp his authority on a situation. This is more to do with the way ref's are trained and whether they can handle big game occasions. if they cant, they shouldn't be top level refs, if they can, then they should be able to handle a player giving out.

BaZmO* · 25-03-2008 01:24PM

ditpoker wrote: »

This is more to do with the way ref's are trained and whether they can handle big game occasions. if they cant, they should be top level refs, if they can, then they should be able to handle a player giving out.

That's probably the problem right there!!!

FatherTed · 25-03-2008 01:29PM

I don't think ANY PLAYER should talk to the referee. Why do they need to? If there is an infraction, the ref should just tell the players that the offence was and get on with it. Also, two referees possibly one in each half so they can consult with each other on borderline decisions like in the NFL. You don't NFL players crowding the refs or yapping at them, right?

OhNoYouDidn't · 25-03-2008 01:42PM

FatherTed wrote: »

I don't think ANY PLAYER should talk to the referee. Why do they need to? If there is an infraction, the ref should just tell the players that the offence was and get on with it. Also, two referees possibly one in each half so they can consult with each other on borderline decisions like in the NFL. You don't NFL players crowding the refs or yapping at them, right?

You do see it, but in the NFL you can query a decision during the game. So there is less of a need to get worked up at the ref, if he is wrong you can have his ruling over-turned.

Can we make a distinction between talking to the referee and surrounding him and giving him abuse? It would make the discussion a lot easier. Good refs communicate with the players. Bad refs get intimidated by players. Changing the rules wont change that dynamic.

What makes people think that if refs havent the bottle to book players for dissent under the current system that they will book players for saying 'hello' or 'ref, over there, that guy has a neck injury'?

Mr Alan · 25-03-2008 02:05PM

i think any player should be allowed talk to the ref as long as they are respectful.

Noelie · 25-03-2008 02:50PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

i think any player should be allowed talk to the ref as long as they are respectful.

You do know you're talking about footballer here.

I think there should be more sending off's like Mascheranos, the next time say Terry charges at a ref, with the rest of the team in tow, spitting fire for whatever reason, just out with the red card, you'd quickly see scenes like that dissappear from the game. as long as it is allowed to happen it will continue to happen.

NotWormBoy · 25-03-2008 02:55PM

Ref: "Anyone except the person I'm talking to me who is within ten feet of me after I count to 5 gets a yellow".

Player: "Go F*ck yerself, ref, yak yak yak".

Ref: Yellow.

Player: ...

The Ref's association should grow some balls. And the grassroots lot should instil some bloody discipline and respect in the kids from youth.

ROCKMAN · 25-03-2008 02:59PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

- Referee should be allowed to call any player over for a chat / telling off / etc;
- Apart from the captain, no player should be allowed to speak / complain / remonstrate to the ref;
- It should be incumbant upon the captain to communicate general concerns a referee has with a teams behaviour to his teammates;
- The referee should be able to book / send off a captain on behalf of a team that is persistently breaking certain rules and fails to modify their behaviour despite numerous warnings;- Equally to the above, a captain should have the right to request an explanation of any decision made by a referee. This puts the onus on a ref to be able to clearly explain why they have made a certain decision;

You bring all the above in and there will never be more than one or two players from an individual team around a ref at any one time. There will be no more tantrums and bad language being spouted off at a ref after penalty decisions, etc. And the position of captain will be one of real representation and leadership.
Do that for six months and make it work - and then you will be able to mic up the ref and have their decisions and process transmitted to the fans and media in an open and transparent fashion.

I must say I really like this idea ,
ever good post

Mr Alan · 25-03-2008 03:13PM

Noelie wrote: »

I think there should be more sending off's like Mascheranos, the next time say Terry charges at a ref, with the rest of the team in tow, spitting fire for whatever reason, just out with the red card, you'd quickly see scenes like that dissappear from the game. as long as it is allowed to happen it will continue to happen.

see thats the problem noelie, this rule will never be applied consistantly. it was even applied consistantly in the game at OT on saturday.

that is why it was unfair that Mascherano was sent off. cause for the rest of the season, the same thing probably wont happen again, he was victimised cause of the incident the week before, and he is an easy scape-goat.

_blank_ · 25-03-2008 03:48PM

Will you get a grip here, please.

"victimised", "scapegoat".

He was in the ref's ear all game. A ref that everyone, EVERYONE, knows is card-happy. He was already booked. He ran a distance to chat to the ref, yet again. He was booked a second time. He got a red card.

Yes, it was "inconsistant".

But that's part of the game. It shouldn't be, but everyone knows this ref is a bit "silly" when it comes to carding players. Added to that the Cashley debacle of midweek, and it was very obvious that this weekend there would be an incident like this.

Accept the fact that Mashcerano is just as much to blame for the sending off for acting the way he did.

Mr Alan, answer this question.

When you were watching the match, I assume you watched it with some friends/family members/whatever. Did any of these people mention that "it was coming"? Did you not see that "it was coming"? Because if no-one there did then it was the only football ground/pub/house in the damn world that at least one person didn't tbh.

kida · 25-03-2008 03:48PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

see thats the problem noelie, this rule will never be applied consistantly. it was even applied consistantly in the game at OT on saturday.

that is why it was unfair that Mascherano was sent off. cause for the rest of the season, the same thing probably wont happen again, he was victimised cause of the incident the week before, and he is an easy scape-goat.

unfair my hat - he should have went a lot earlier of anything.

talking to the ref, who should be allowed to?

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