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Papers Pay McCann's For Defamation

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  • #32
    GhostInTheRuins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,035 ✭✭✭GhostInTheRuins


    idlesupernova wrote: »
    http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1309913,00.html

    Express Newspapers have agreed to pay £550,000 to the Find Madeleine Fund after being forced to apologise over more than 100 articles written about her parents.The McCanns are understood to have been asking for up to £4m. Express Newspapers offered in the region of £250,000 to cover the entire group.

    Oops, that makes more sense :o


  • #33
    Katzy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24 ✭Katzy


    Leave them alone!!

    Are'nt they paying the sentence - every minute of every day


  • #34
    Mossy Monk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    Sure, but I think they should get off the tv and newspapers and internet also. If they want to insist on being in the media eye then they should expect some crticism


  • #35
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    idlesupernova wrote: »
    Can you remove my name from the person who started the thread please. That is not the thread name I created so please remove my name as the person who started the thread.
    No.


  • #36
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Mossy Monk wrote: »
    Sure, but I think they should get off the tv and newspapers and internet also. If they want to insist on being in the media eye then they should expect some crticism
    If they don't keep the public aware, Madeleine will be forgotten about (people might protest "We're more than well aware" but the McCanns' insistence on flagging their case ad infinitum is precisely the reason why). They have the means to use the media to their advantage while their child is missing. You can't begrudge them that. Sure, it's tacky at times but I've no doubt we'd all stoop that low if our child went missing. A lot of the tackiness is a product of the tabloid media itself.


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  • #37
    idlesupernova
    Closed Accounts Posts: 270 ✭✭idlesupernova


    Terry wrote: »
    No.

    Why? They are not my words and I am being credited with them.


  • #38
    Karoma
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,396 ✭✭✭✭Karoma


    idlesupernova wrote: »
    Why? They are not my words and I am being credited with them.

    For the reasons stated throughout the thread. If you insist on putting your title back: I'll delete the thread and ban you and pass your username on to an SMod for them to deal with you. PM me your choice, or create a new thread in the Help Desk. End of discussion here.


  • #39
    idlesupernova
    Closed Accounts Posts: 270 ✭✭idlesupernova


    I didn't ask for the title of the thread to come back I asked for my name to be removed as the thread starter, feel free to keep the new thread title but I did not write it and I'd like my name removed from it and whoever changed it can put their name in to it. Not a crazy request.


  • #40
    Tha Gopher
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Tha Gopher


    lostexpectation wrote: »
    the money isn't going directly to them but the find maddie fund, they still both working in the hospital arn't they and they are minus one child but still have two, easy life yeah right. shup up idlesupernova

    :rolleyes:

    The papers ought to be ashamed of themselves. Instead of donating money to this questionable Madeleine fund why not donate it to a real charity? What exactly is the presumably massive stack of cash the McCanns are sitting on going to be used for?

    The fact is, simply, that if they had not been negligent she would most likely not have gone missing. People who between them earn around 100 euro an hour minimum but will not shell out 12 euro for a babysitter do not deserve our sympathy.


  • #41
    slipss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,025 ✭✭✭slipss


    boardinwork wrote: »
    What are you talking about there?

    How can you compare that with The Sunday World

    They wrote about a man who had paid money before to the CRIMINAL ASSETS BUREAU and was friends with some of the top dogs of the CRIMINAL UNDERWORLD. The verdict in court was undeserved and will be appealed. He will end up with so much less than 900k.

    What the papers wrote about the McCanns for months and months is a completely different kettle of fish. These were both doctors will no criminal past who had lost a daughter. To compare the SW to those cut throat, page 3, English tabloids is as ignorant as the comments you are trying to imply that they make.

    I was just saying it seems to set a legal precedent for people sueing newspapers for suggesting that someone is guilty of a crime that they have never been convicted of. I wasn't refering to any particular story (900k?), just that TSW have a long standing tradition of implying the guilt of people in relation to certain things that they have never been proven guilty of.


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  • #42
    Killaqueen!!!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,026 ✭✭✭Killaqueen!!!


    I think everyone has been watching too much CSI here. If you're directly involved with this case i.e you are part of the police team launching the search, you are a family member or the mccanns etc. etc. feel free to give your opinion and back it up but why are people so soon to point the finger at the parents?

    They shouldn't have left their kid alone. I think they're going to be regretting that every second of every minute of every day for the rest of their lives. Is that not enough? Of course not. You people read the papers and make up your mind on the spot that they're guilty of murder. Why? Because it seems a bit dodgy...they must have done it, right? This isn't CSI. Just because it seems dodgy didn't mean they did it. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

    I hate the way people think they have all the answers after reading a few tabloids

    Anyway, I think it's great the papers are apologising. Fair deuce. As if losing your daughter isn't bad enough, you have papers slanderising your name and accusing you of murder.


  • #43
    Mossy Monk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    Killaqueen!!! wrote: »
    why are people so soon to point the finger at the parents?

    Are you suggesting that they were not neglegiable in any way?


  • #44
    Tha Gopher
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Tha Gopher


    Killaqueen!!! wrote: »
    They shouldn't have left their kid alone. I think they're going to be regretting that every second of every minute of every day for the rest of their lives. Is that not enough?

    If me and my best mate got very drunk, had an arguement about something stupid, it develops into a fight and I stab him (and not in legitimate self defence) I should avoid prosecution because when I wake up in the morning I will be devastated at what I done?

    The McCanns didnt make a mistake. They took a decision to save 12 euro that caused the unthinkable. It isnt unheard of for those in control of public areas (building sites for example) to face prosecution if a death occurs after safety has been ignored to cut costs.


  • #45
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Gopher, I've just done a Google news search and there's not one mention of Madeleine's body being found so, bearing that in mind, I have edited your posts.


  • #46
    Killaqueen!!!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,026 ✭✭✭Killaqueen!!!


    Tha Gopher wrote: »
    If me and my best mate got very drunk, had an arguement about something stupid, it develops into a fight and I stab him (and not in legitimate self defence) I should avoid prosecution because when I wake up in the morning I will be devastated at what I done?

    Of course you should be prosecuted. If there is a witness/inevitable evidence to prove that you killed your best mate then yes. I don't know how to compafre your hypothetical situation to the McCanns but let's see. Should you be prosecuted for leaving your drunk mate on his own in a place where he may be vulnerable? And then he ends up being murdered/kidnapped/whatever? Should you go to jail for being a bad friend because you got into a fight?
    The McCanns didnt make a mistake. They took a decision to save 12 euro that caused the unthinkable. It isnt unheard of for those in control of public areas (building sites for example) to face prosecution if a death occurs after safety has been ignored to cut costs.

    You think the parents should be prosecuted for leaving her in the room? That's a fair point. Perhaps the struggling single mother down the road from me should be prosecuted for losing her 6 year old in Tescos last week.

    Why should they be prosecuted for murder? Were you a witness? Have you heard all the evidence? Oh, I forgot. The only evidence you need is the front page of the Sunday Mirror that accuses the McCann parents of murder.


  • #47
    Killaqueen!!!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,026 ✭✭✭Killaqueen!!!


    Mossy Monk wrote: »
    Are you suggesting that they were not neglegiable in any way?

    No, I'm not. I'm not suggesting they're guilty, I'm not suggesting they're innocent. I'm saying I don't know. And neither do any of you so stop making accusations you know nothing about.


  • #48
    Tha Gopher
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Tha Gopher


    Killaqueen!!! wrote: »
    Should you be prosecuted for leaving your drunk mate on his own in a place where he may be vulnerable? And then he ends up being murdered/kidnapped/whatever? Should you go to jail for being a bad friend because you got into a fight?

    2- You think the parents should be prosecuted for leaving her in the room? That's a fair point. Perhaps the struggling single mother down the road from me should be prosecuted for losing her 6 year old in Tescos last week.

    3- Why should they be prosecuted for murder? Were you a witness? Have you heard all the evidence? Oh, I forgot. The only evidence you need is the front page of the Sunday Mirror that accuses the McCann parents of murder.

    1- There is a difference in saying "fcuk off" and leaving someone who is making a twat of themselves, compared to leaving baby twins and a 3 year old alone in a hotel room.

    2- Unless she was rolling a joint in the jacks while he wandered off, no. Similiarly, the McCanns wouldnt need to be prosecuted for negligence if she was kidnapped while they were in the apartment, as opposed to when they were drinking a considerable distance away from it.

    3- I never said they should be prosecuted for murder. What I did say is that if or when she is finally declared legally dead I dont see any problem with charging them with manslaughter via negligence.

    Dudess- fair enough, though I was only going on what the most likely scenario is.


  • #49
    Mossy Monk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    Killaqueen!!! wrote: »
    And neither do any of you so stop making accusations you know nothing about.

    I have only ever said they were bad parents. Anyone who leaves their children unattended should be punished.


  • #50
    Trojan911
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭Trojan911


    idlesupernova wrote: »
    Four newspapers are set to pay damages to the parents of Madeleine McCann, after settling a libel case,

    Right & proper too. If you get it wrong then pay up.......


  • #51
    KnifeWRENCH
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,148 ✭✭✭✭KnifeWRENCH


    Mossy Monk wrote: »
    I have only ever said they were bad parents. Anyone who leaves their children unattended should be punished.

    +1. It's disgusting that these people are being paid large sums of money for neglecting 3 children. The papers should print an apology but under NO circumstances should these people receive a financial reward.
    OK so they may not like what the papers say. Well, if they didn't neglect their daughter, the papers wouldn't be writing about them now would they? If you do something wrong, you have to expect the media to report on it. And 9 times out of 10 they WILL blow things out of proportion.

    Kate & Gerry McCann may not have killed her, but if someone else has then they must still shoulder the blame for allowing her to be taken.
    If she's found alive, the first thing that should be done is for a foster family to be found for her. I don't know how they're still allowed keep the two even younger children they left alone.
    Dudess wrote:
    If they don't keep the public aware, Madeleine will be forgotten about
    I don't think we're ever gonna forget this case. It's nauseating to constantly see these people in the news expecting sympathy, as if they're the victims! And as for the "Find Maddie" fund? I wouldn't give them a cent, and don't think anyone should contribute anything that would make their lives any easier.


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  • #52
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    square_igloo wrote: »
    I don't know how they're still allowed keep the two even younger children they left alone.
    Probably because it was assessed that they'll never do it again - god knows they've paid enough of a price. It's not like they're junkies, with whom a child might be at risk.
    I don't think we're ever gonna forget this case.
    We would if it wasn't for the McCanns' constant flagging of it.


  • #53
    Killaqueen!!!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,026 ✭✭✭Killaqueen!!!


    Tha Gopher wrote: »
    1- There is a difference in saying "fcuk off" and leaving someone who is making a twat of themselves, compared to leaving baby twins and a 3 year old alone in a hotel room.

    2- Unless she was rolling a joint in the jacks while he wandered off, no. Similiarly, the McCanns wouldnt need to be prosecuted for negligence if she was kidnapped while they were in the apartment, as opposed to when they were drinking a considerable distance away from it.

    3- I never said they should be prosecuted for murder. What I did say is that if or when she is finally declared legally dead I dont see any problem with charging them with manslaughter via negligence.

    Dudess- fair enough, though I was only going on what the most likely scenario is.

    1. Yes, there is. There's a huge difference between stabbing your best mate while drunk, and leaving your kid unattended in a room also. I don't see where you're going with this comparison so I'm making of it the best I can.

    2. So what would be the official charge on them then? Child neglection? If the case is as they say, that they locked her in the room and "checked on her every 5mins" I think that they are still in the wrong. There's little doubt about that. They neglected their child. But if she wasn't kidnapped, would you still be pushing for the parents to be prosecuted? I doubt it. There's a lot of worse things they could have done. I'm sure you've heard of accounts by people like David Pelzer. Unfortunately, in this world a lot of children are treated horribly by their parents - it's horrific. But IF Maddeline wasn't kidnapped, would what they did be such a crime? I would be shocked that they left her alone in the room by herself, just like I'm shocked that a mother I know is smoking and drinking whilst being pregnant. This is based on what the story is how it's been told. I don't know all the evidence. Perhaps there is something deeper than the fact that all they wanted was a few minutes peace from their child (in no way does this diminish what they did) but I don't know.

    3. Manslaughter? I don't know what to make of that...:confused:
    Mossy Monk wrote: »
    I have only ever said they were bad parents. Anyone who leaves their children unattended should be punished.

    I didn't mean that to you personally, I meant as in 'ye', as in to all those who are making accusations. From what I've read of your posts you seem to be taking an objective look to all of it which is IMO the way everybody should look at it.


  • #54
    Amalgam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,030 ✭✭✭Amalgam


    There's been some 'respectable' media coverage of how the McCanns and their friends have never settled on what exactly took place at the Restaurant, the intake of alcohol, who exactly left to check on the daughter etc. The fact that the Restaurant staff felt the need to come forward and say that their accounts of what took place (the staff presumably were sober), differed from the group of people at the Restaurant.

    The doubt that's out there, among journalists, doesn't start and end with the gutter press..


  • #55
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Killaqueen!!! wrote: »
    I'm sure you've heard of accounts by people like David Pelzer.
    I read an interview with him. Normally I've a fairly strong stomach, but that actually made me feel very nauseous. What an evil **** his mother was.


  • #56
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,219 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What I can't understand is how they have not been charged with leaving their children alone while they were out having dinner/drinking. If that was someone here they would be done for it straight away.


  • #57
    KnifeWRENCH
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,148 ✭✭✭✭KnifeWRENCH


    hellboy99 wrote: »
    What I can't understand is how they have not been charged with leaving their children alone while they were out having dinner/drinking. If that was someone here they would be done for it straight away.
    Probably because their incompetence as parents is matched by the incompetence of the Portuguese police.


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