One of the great games

Melion · 05-03-2008 02:26AM

jank wrote: »

You dont agree? I suppose mascherano is his equal?:D

The Flamster didnt give Kaka (world player of the year) an inch over 3 hours of football.
This was no flash in the pan either, he has been doing it all season.

His equal? Nope, far superior. Keeping Kaka quiet doesnt seem to be a problem since Masch done it in the CL final last year(Kaka did nothing til Masch went off).

As for better DM's:

Masch
Hamann
Yaya Toure
Mama Diarra
Hargreaves(as much as it pains me to say it)
Xavi(if you can call him a DM anymore)

jank · 05-03-2008 02:34AM

Melion wrote: »

As for better DM's:

Masch
Very limited in what he can do. He can barely pass the ball forward and never scores.

Hamann

Too old. Playing for Man City. Says it all

Yaya Toure
Was on trail at arsenal for ages, Wenger passed him. Seems a handy player though

Mama Diarra
Is this the same diarra that couldnt break into the arsenal XI

Hargreaves(as much as it pains me to say it)
Good player alright. Has shown some good perfromances this season. No where as consistent as the flamster

Xavi(if you can call him a DM anymore)
Definately not a DM as some will compare him to Cesc

I would give you yaya Toure and hargreaves as equals but IMO Flamini has been much more consisten this year then either of them.

Nunu · 05-03-2008 02:36AM

jank wrote: »

Mama Diarra
Is this the same diarra that couldnt break into the arsenal XI

No, I presume it's Diarra at Madrid?

Melion · 05-03-2008 02:38AM

Yeah Mama is the one at Madrid, signed from Lyon a few years ago.

Flamini has had one good season, he was a joke at Arsenal last year and in years before. Thats why i wouldnt rate him near the worlds best.

Melion · 05-03-2008 02:40AM

jank wrote: »

Hamann

Too old. Playing for Man City. Says it all

And thats just strange, who cares how old he is or who he plays for? Stephen Ireland plays for City, doesnt mean he's a bad player does it? Paulo Maldini is nearly 39, doesnt mean he's a bad player does it?

cooker3 · 05-03-2008 02:40AM

cson wrote: »

What age are you? 12?

eh, what?

Nunu · 05-03-2008 02:45AM

cooker3 wrote: »

eh, what?

...this thread is full of misunderstandings.

I know what you were talking about - Ronaldos wonder show, hat-trick etc, for Madrid at Old Trafford years back.

...but you replied to joesoap who was talking about the Arsenal game tonight.

DSB · 05-03-2008 03:04AM

Mascherano is clearly alot better than Flamini.

iregk · 05-03-2008 09:07AM

Not to dampen the arsenal spirits last night but lets look at things more closely as I get the feeling most commenting here didn't watch the game and certainly don't watch Serie A.

herbieflowers wrote:

given their form and Milan's excellent record at home

Milan have won 2 games at home all season and the first of them came just before christmas.

jank wrote: »

The Flamster didnt give Kaka (world player of the year) an inch over 3 hours of football.

This is also a 60% fit world player of the year playing for the past 3 months with a torn tendon. Kaka shouldn't even be on the pitch but limited resources mean they have no choice.

It was a good performance from Arsenal but lets not jump the gun here it wasn't the epic people are making it out to be. There is a lot of unrest in the Milan camp with talk of Carlo's sacking in the summer rumbling for the past few weeks. The players have not being performing this season and it showed. You can't just turn it on and off at will, if you've been off all year its hard to get it back. Last year they played great in the CL but also have Kaka at his best. This year he is dogged by injury.

The age of the squad has been gradually creeping up and Ancelotti has to take the blame for this. With no huge amount of talent coming through its time for new direction. The squad and style have gone stale under him.

Arsenal are a team on the rise, Milan are one on the decline. I didn't think Arsenal were anything special last night I just thought what we have been saying all season about Milan shone through last night.

L'prof · 05-03-2008 10:26AM

iregk wrote: »

Milan have won 2 games at home all season and the first of them came just before christmas.

Oh right so, the 3 games they won at home in the group stages don't count?

iregk wrote: »

This is also a 60% fit world player of the year playing for the past 3 months with a torn tendon. Kaka shouldn't even be on the pitch but limited resources mean they have no choice.

Of course they had a choice, Arsenal have a lot of players out at the moment and have been unlucky this season in that respect but, van Persie was on the bench tonight which is where Kaka should have been if he was injured!

iregk wrote: »

It was a good performance from Arsenal but lets not jump the gun here it wasn't the epic people are making it out to be.

What more could you possibly want from a game, I watched it with my friend who supports the Pool and he enjoyed it every bit as much as I did!

iregk wrote: »

I didn't think Arsenal were anything special last night I just thought what we have been saying all season about Milan shone through last night.

Arsenal were fantastic last night, no question whatsoever! This Milan team ripped through United at home in the semi-final last year and brushed Liverpool aside in the final! They were dangerous tonight and had some decent chances but, the fact remains that the reason they didn't get a result is because Arsenal completely outplayed them, not because they didn't turn up!

You're clearly not an Arsenal fan but, at least try to give an unbiased view!

Evil_Clown · 05-03-2008 10:36AM

Melion wrote: »

Yeah Mama is the one at Madrid, signed from Lyon a few years ago.

Flamini has had one good season, he was a joke at Arsenal last year and in years before. Thats why i wouldnt rate him near the worlds best.

Flamini is better RIGHT NOW, not a few years ago
Anyway Flamini has more to his game than Masch imo (passing and gets the odd goal) and I would choose him in a team over masch at the moment

iregk · 05-03-2008 10:45AM

jasonorr wrote: »

Oh right so, the 3 games they won at home in the group stages don't count?

Fair enough I was talking about the league. Still 5 games won at home coming into March. Quality form that.

jasonorr wrote: »

Of course they had a choice

Have you seen the Milan squad of late? Out of the league a team in trouble and your only shining light is the CL. Your already down one of your most creative players and you have a serious injury crisis in the striking department. Milan had to play Kaka if even 50% fit. It showed in him last night.

jasonorr wrote: »

What more could you possibly want from a game, I watched it with my friend who supports the Pool and he enjoyed it every bit as much as I did!

Where did I say I didn't enjoy it, where did i way it was a crap game. I simply said lets not get carried away here. Arsenal put in a good show against a team thats frankly all over the place at the moment. It wasn't the epic earth rocking show people are making out. Thats what I'm saying and not being a gunners fan has nothing what so ever to do with that.

I'm the one giving the unbiased view here, i'm being realistic!!!

Mr. Incognito · 05-03-2008 10:55AM

Arsenal played well but that is no great Milan team. 7th in the Italian league and they're past it. Theo Walcott skinned them with pace when he came on and the two goals came late albeit a piece of magic from Fabregas. I wouldn't get too carried away. See who the draw in the next round.

L'prof · 05-03-2008 11:03AM

iregk wrote: »

Arsenal put in a good show against a team thats frankly all over the place at the moment. It wasn't the epic earth rocking show people are making out. Thats what I'm saying and not being a gunners fan has nothing what so ever to do with that.

I'm the one giving the unbiased view here, i'm being realistic!!!

But, surely you'll agree that it's the same Milan team that were in the same position last season and went on to win the competition! First English team to beat Milan in the San Siro, eclipses being the first English team to beat the Bernabeau for me! It finished 2-0 but, I felt that they could have scored more and Milan had their chances too, which is why I think it was such a great game!

SantryRed · 05-03-2008 11:03AM

SetantaL wrote: »

Arsenal played well but that is no great Milan team. 7th in the Italian league and they're past it. Theo Walcott skinned them with pace when he came on and the two goals came late albeit a piece of magic from Fabregas. I wouldn't get too carried away. See who the draw in the next round.

Have got to agree with you there.
The team that Arsenal faced last night was nothing like the team United faced in Semi Finals last year.
Milan had no composure about themselves at all last night.

L'prof · 05-03-2008 11:05AM

SetantaL wrote: »

Arsenal played well but that is no great Milan team. 7th in the Italian league and they're past it. Theo Walcott skinned them with pace when he came on and the two goals came late albeit a piece of magic from Fabregas. I wouldn't get too carried away. See who the draw in the next round.

To be honest, it doesn't matter who we get in the next round! This tie was one of the toughest we could have gotten at this stage, bar maybe Inter who are in better form domestically!

L'prof · 05-03-2008 11:07AM

SantryRed wrote: »

Have got to agree with you there.
The team that Arsenal faced last night was nothing like the team United faced in Semi Finals last year.
Milan had no composure about themselves at al last night.

They clearly missed Seedorf but, to spout on about them not being the same team that United faced last year is rubbish!

cson · 05-03-2008 11:28AM

Ok, lets not get carried away here. It was a good win coupled with a great performance. However, one great performance doesn't win trophies. Its very important Arsenal take some momentum from last nights game and kick on in the League.

L'prof · 05-03-2008 11:31AM

cson wrote: »

Ok, lets not get carried away here. It was a good win coupled with a great performance. However, one great performance doesn't win trophies. Its very important Arsenal take some momentum from last nights game and kick on in the League.

Well that's obvious...I'm not foolish enough to think that just because of last nights result, they are sure to clean up but, I feel it will be a great confidence boost and just what we needed at this stage of the season!

gosplan · 05-03-2008 11:33AM

Have to disagree with a lot of this.

Firstly, Milan are 5th in Seria A.

This really doesn't mean too much as last year they were off the Seria A pace but won the CL, Liverpool won the bloody thing and finsihed 5th in the PL, and both Liverpool and Arsenal reached the final putting in great performances and knocking out teams like Madrid, Barca and Juve yet finished 4th in the PL.

Secondly, it is largely the same team bar Kaka not being on form.

Thirdly, it wasn't so much Milan's brilliance but Utd's collapse that saw Milan through last year.

If you want to argue about the strength of the Milan team then go ahead but the fact is that Utd were massively dissapointed with their performance there last year.

Arsenal went to the San Siro and were dominant. That's not an easy thing to do and it's something Utd(while having one of their best PL seasons ever) couldn't do.

I'm not trying to knock Utd here, they're a great team but stop trying to pick holes in what was essentially a great performance and a massive achievment - it makes you look bitter.

SantryRed · 05-03-2008 11:33AM

jasonorr wrote: »

They clearly missed Seedorf but, to spout on about them not being the same team that United faced last year is rubbish!

Don't ge me wrong. I thought Arsenal were unbelievable last night.
But I don't think I'm spouting rubbish saying that it wasn't the same team because it wasn't.

L'prof · 05-03-2008 11:44AM

SantryRed wrote: »

Don't get me wrong. I thought Arsenal were unbelievable last night.
But I don't think I'm spouting rubbish saying that it wasn't the same team because it wasn't.

But, it was essentially! I mean for someone out of form, Kaka made some amazing runs and passes! But imo, Arsenal played very well which is the only reason Milan didn't look as good!

Mr Alan · 05-03-2008 11:49AM

Great result and performance from Arsenal.

This team spanked Utd all over the San Siro last year and beat Liverpool in Athens, for Arsenal to turn them over like they did away from home is a superb result.

****ing begrudgers. Well done Arsenal.

PHB · 05-03-2008 12:01PM

Indeed, amazing result. It's not like Milan collapsed like they've done in the past (2nd half of Istanbul, Deportivo the year before that), they played defensively very well.

As for Flamini, I think he's really come along as a player. Who I'd pick between him and Mascherano is a tough choice. I still can't decide though if Flamini is on a great run of form, or if he has found his new level. As every game goes past, its looking more and more like he's found his new level. I think it's great for him, especially after being left out of the CL final a few years ago harshly I think.

jank · 05-03-2008 01:28PM

Melion wrote: »

Yeah Mama is the one at Madrid, signed from Lyon a few years ago.

Flamini has had one good season, he was a joke at Arsenal last year and in years before. Thats why i wouldnt rate him near the worlds best.

A joke? Sure thats easy to say.
I can say that liverpool(this is our season) are a joke in the league.

Flamini has always worked his bollox off. Scored some very important goals too (the opener against liverpool when they beat them at home).

He filled in at left back for the Arsenal's CL run of 2005-2006 that now holds the record for going the longest without conceding a goal in the competition.

He is very much a part of the driving force in the midfield. Just watch the full 180 minutes of the milan matchs and you can see that he was head above shoulders everybody on the ptich.

At the end of the day himself and cesc are arguably the best central midfield partnership in world football, right now.

Mascherano is not a bad player by any means, but much too defensive for my liking and a bit limited in what he does on the pitch. If he passes the ball forward or dribbles passed a man id have a stroke! Flamini offers so much more as a box to box player!

jank · 05-03-2008 01:32PM

And thats just strange, who cares how old he is or who he plays for? Stephen Ireland plays for City, doesnt mean he's a bad player does it? Paulo Maldini is nearly 39, doesnt mean he's a bad player does it?

Maldini is not a bad player but is he the best left back in the world right now?
He is a legend of course, nobody would dispute that.

Stephen ireland is not a bad player, but would you rather ronaldo or messi?
We are talking about the best in the world!
Anyway if haman was so good why did he leave liverpool?

Are you seriously saying mascherano>hamann>flamini? if so i win my case!!:rolleyes::)

Mr Alan · 05-03-2008 01:37PM

nothing against Arsenal or Flamini.

But i really do think Masch is the better player. His passing, although hot and cold when he first arrived has since been pretty excellent, and no one reads the game or has an engine like him. brilliant player. Flamini is excellent, but he aint no masch

Hamman is class, probably the best of the three of em, but his career is coming to an end and he doesnt really have the legs anymore, top teams need to replace class with class, thats wat liverpool have done with didi and mascherano.

jank · 05-03-2008 01:41PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

nothing against Arsenal or Flamini.

But i really do think Masch is the better player. His passing, although hot and cold when he first arrived has since been pretty excellent, and no one reads the game or has an engine like him. brilliant player. Flamini is excellent, but he aint no masch Hamman is class, probably the best of the three of em, but his career is coming to an end and he doesnt really have the legs anymore, top teams need to replace class with class, thats wat liverpool have done with didi and mascherano.

Each to their own i suppose. I take the flamster of today over mascherano, anyday!

To the "Milan were passed it brigade" Sour grapes and bitter the lot of ye!

astrofool · 05-03-2008 02:47PM

Excellent result for Arsenal, totally dominated Milan, who have become experts at getting results in the CL despite league form (a bit like pool). However, it was very worrying that it took 84 minutes to turn a dominant performance into a goal, and at that, a goal which the keeper should have saved. But then, if the ball had bounced off eboue's arse to score the goal, it wouldn't have mattered

MrJoeSoap · 05-03-2008 02:58PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnUgvJTE2do

^ A perfect example of Arsenals dominance last night ^

One of the great games

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