Spurs Chances Of Keeping Berbatov?

herbieflowers · 26-02-2008 10:47PM

PHB wrote: »

The Lyon president is asking fro 45 million for Benzema That's insane
Personally I'd prefer Berbatov at 20 million

do Utd really need another striker who prefers to drop deep?

PHB · 26-02-2008 10:54PM

It's not about dropping deep. Ruud sometimes dropped deep. It's about ability to provide a different threat.

Berbatov would give us a different threat. Aside from his ability to take down from a long kick is something we don't have, even Saha isn't great at it.
His flick ons are also something that would really work well with the pace of the rest of the attack.
He wouldn't stretch defenses like say Eto or even Saha do, but he does do it to some extent, and his ability to bring down balls gives us a totally different option to be honest.

Him and Manucho would be pretty fantastic additions to us, giving us all the options we need up front. Hell personally I'm hopeful we bring back Rossi to give us another option, but I doubt that

grames_bond · 27-02-2008 12:58AM

An Citeog wrote: »

If that's true, it'd be a ridiculous deal. Saha is worth about £10million, so you're talking about £35million for a 27 year-old. He's a good player and all but not worth anywhere near that. £15-20million would be more like it. £25million + Saha would definitely get you Benzema and I'd much prefer to get him.

do you really think a very injury prone saha could still get 10 million?

LegacyUser · 27-02-2008 01:01AM

Berbatov is over rated...no way near worth what people say he is.

Mad_Max · 27-02-2008 01:24AM

is 20 mill berbs' supposed value? Well if you base it on say Darren Bent who was 16 then you'd have to say it would be a fair price. The 40 odd im hearing for Benzema is ridiculous. For that amount of money youd want to see him perform at some decent level. Rooney was what, 30? after a great showing at the euros and decent run of games in the premiership.

Nunu seems to have seen some of him but imo until he plays some more champs league and internationals its a bit presumptuous to be talking 40+.

Just thinking but i dont remember hearing anything about him after rangers game, anyone see him against them?

An Citeog · 27-02-2008 01:40AM

grames_bond wrote: »

do you really think a very injury prone saha could still get 10 million?

Didn't realise he was 29 either.:eek: Tbh, I think he could fetch up to 10 million, depending on how he does for the rest of the season, whether/how he plays for France at the Euros and a couple of other factors like market demand.

My original point still stands though. £25million + a player for Berbatov is far too much. £20million tops or maybe £12-15 + Saha is the most he's worth.

Nunu · 27-02-2008 01:54AM

Mad_Max wrote: »

Just thinking but i dont remember hearing anything about him after rangers game, anyone see him against them?

Yes, he absolutely destroyed them at Ibrox back in December, scoring 2 late goals in a 0-3 win.

LegacyUser · 27-02-2008 02:11AM

Mad_Max wrote: »

is 20 mill berbs' supposed value? Well if you base it on say Darren Bent who was 16 then you'd have to say it would be a fair price. The 40 odd im hearing for Benzema is ridiculous. For that amount of money youd want to see him perform at some decent level. Rooney was what, 30? after a great showing at the euros and decent run of games in the premiership.

Nunu seems to have seen some of him but imo until he plays some more champs league and internationals its a bit presumptuous to be talking 40+.

Just thinking but i dont remember hearing anything about him after rangers game, anyone see him against them?

This is also the same president who said Utd can have ben arfa if they give Ronaldo and money...he is a piss taker...

40 odd million is just a bull**** figure to say "he is a very important player for us." 30 million and i guarantee you could talk to him. Lyon are a selling club anyway.

kryogen · 27-02-2008 04:38AM

i really really really like the look of him and the potential he is showing, but i dont want him right now, i want a totally different option to what we've got and i want someone who is proven at a high level, doesnt have to be particularly young, or high in price, he will be a backup or rotation striker anyway so there is no need to go spending ludicris amounts of money on one, id even be open to looking into a possible transfer of Kenwayne Jones (not the first time ive said that) hes a strong guy, big, chips in with goals and has a fair share of assists too in a poor sunderland team.

We have Rooney and Tevez and sometimes Saha, do you really think Berba would be happy to sit on the bench for a few games? or Benzema for that matter, and how could you justify the amount of money you have to spend to get either and then the wages if they are gonna spend alot of time on the bench?

What im looking for personally is an Ole Solskjaer, a Teddy Sheringham, someone who you can throw into a game to make an impact...im happy with the starting strike force we have and see no reason to change it

Xavi6 · 27-02-2008 05:02AM

Couple of points on this one -

1) 10 million for Saha? Ha good luck with that. He's an injury prone 29 year old who hasn't done much of significant note in a good while. 7 million at the very most. I wouldn't pay more than 5.

2) United need a Berbatov-type striker to give them a different dimension up front. Neither Rooney or Tevez would be considered a 'striker'. If both are having an off day/one is suspended, there isn't that option in the squad currently. Case in point being the recent derby - no Rooney, Tevez well shackled, no alternative to change the game up front.

3) Benzema is a class act, although he is not worth that sort of figure yet. I'd pay up to 25 million for him due to his age and potential but until I see him regularly outside the French league I wouldn't go any higher.

To answer the OP's question, I don't see any reason why Berbatov would leave in the summer. I think he'll give it next year with Ramos and if nothing happens he'll head to Milan.

WhiteWashMan · 27-02-2008 09:27AM

i think he will see how the rest of the season goes, and who we bring in early in the summer.
he wants success, and he wants to know that he can get it with spurs. if he doesnt think we will be hitting the CL places, he will be off.

And if he goes, i would hope it would be to a foreign club. theres no way id want him going to a rival english club.

but i think Pepe Le Fritz is onto something, him and torress would be great, but again, i dont see torres signing for liverpool. mind you, hes the only one that seems to be playing for them at the moment, and who knows what these money hungry foreign players will do

i must admit, i also laughed at the user who said spurs were being unreasonable. typical utd supporter.

Nalz · 27-02-2008 12:25PM

WhiteWashMan wrote: »

typical utd supporter.

WWM strikes again

WhiteWashMan · 27-02-2008 12:56PM

Trilla wrote: »

WWM strikes again

in what way?

PHB · 27-02-2008 01:13PM

They are being unreasonable. Just like the Lyon president is being unreasonable. Doesn't mean they shouldn't do it, but doesn't change the fact. 30 million for a striker with no re-sale value would never be even considered before Chelsea came to town.

Kold · 27-02-2008 01:34PM

How are Spurs being unreasonable? Berbatov has a good 3 years on his contract and is our star player. We are a team with ambition and will be looking to strengthen our squad. You expect us to sell him at what you think he's worth rather than what he's worth to us? Personally, I wouldn't sell him for less than 35 million, that way we can sign 3 great players rather than take the Carrick route and end up having no replacement (Zokora?) which pushed us back a season.

PHB · 27-02-2008 01:46PM

When I meant unreasonable, I might it was not an accurate account of his value to them. Not that they weren't justified in doing that, if they want to, fair enough.
Berbatov is 27 years old. Realistically has about 4 years left in him at the highest level.
That would mean the value of Berbatov per year to Spurs would be 7.5 million per year + wages, so 10ish? That's not his value, Ronaldo wouldn't even be worth that per year [well maybe he would if you took into account marketing and stuff]
There's no way he is worth 10 million a year to you, as such, unreasonable.

If he was 24, then 30 million could well be too low

But he's 27, so it's different

therecklessone · 27-02-2008 02:14PM

What the United fans are trying to say Eamo is that small slubs like Spurs should know their place and when a big club like Yanited come in for one of our players we should doff our caps and take the mirrors and shiny beads on offer.

What a crock of sh1t.

Two main things will decide Berbatov's "value" if he moves on:

1. The minimum Spurs are prepared to sell for.
2. The maximum the buying club is prepared to pay for him.

#2 might be influenced by the interest of other clubs, #1 might be influenced by the legth of contract outstanding. The two central factors will remain the same.

Unreasonable my arse.

Would United accept less than their own valuation for Vidic?

Nalz · 27-02-2008 02:15PM

WhiteWashMan wrote: »

in what way?

Even though I agree with you, Spurs have him under contract and he signed it. They are entitled to hold on to them if they can I believe. He was happy enough to sign that contract, he lives in London and Spurs have a chance to go places. If Spurs want to hold out for the best fee they can or get the best from the player then spurs can do. What about United with Heinze. The felt it would benefit them to not sell him to another one of the top 5 in the premierleague.

But this typical United fan stuff, leave that out please.

Loomis · 27-02-2008 02:28PM

Mad_Max wrote: »

is 20 mill berbs' supposed value? Well if you base it on say Darren Bent who was 16 then you'd have to say it would be a fair price. The 40 odd im hearing for Benzema is ridiculous. For that amount of money youd want to see him perform at some decent level. Rooney was what, 30? after a great showing at the euros and decent run of games in the premiership.

Nunu seems to have seen some of him but imo until he plays some more champs league and internationals its a bit presumptuous to be talking 40+.

Just thinking but i dont remember hearing anything about him after rangers game, anyone see him against them?

He's 19, and at the time they played United, he had something like 19 goals in 20 games for Lyon. To be honest that's fairly impressive and I think better than what Rooney did at that age. Though you could put that down to the French League being poorer than the Premier League. I don't know how true that argument might be though.

To be honest I think United shouldn't have bought Tevez last year. But with Saha injured he was badly needed. As good a player as he is and as well as the season has gone I think him and Rooney are too similar. And the fact we have, an albeit injury-prone, Saha made me think signing any 'must buy' players this year and in the next few years almost impossible because having 3 top top class strikers in a team is always going to be difficult with regard keeping them all happy and in form. A point not helped with us now getting Manucho etc
Personally what I'd like for United is if we hadn't bought Tevez and bought Berbatov or Benzema this summer. Berbatov would give us another dimension in both the league and Champion's League which I think would have paid dividends when the usual tactics weren't paying off. Now with Benzema emerging I have to say I'd pay good money to watch him, Rooney and Ronaldo tearing it up!

PHB · 27-02-2008 02:44PM

therecklessone wrote: »

What the United fans are trying to say Eamo is that small slubs like Spurs should know their place and when a big club like Yanited come in for one of our players we should doff our caps and take the mirrors and shiny beads on offer.

What a crock of sh1t.

That's not what I'm saying at all.

Would United accept less than their own valuation for Vidic?

Of course they wouldn't, I'm not saying that they should. I'm saying the valuation is stupid, and has no bearing to his real value. Hence, unreasonable.

Van Nist went for 12 million, at the age of 29, and he was a much better player than Berbatov. Those two years are worth 18 million now?

Mad_Max · 27-02-2008 04:19PM

Mr. Anderson wrote: »

He's 19, and at the time they played United, he had something like 19 goals in 20 games for Lyon. To be honest that's fairly impressive and I think better than what Rooney did at that age.

At 19 Rooney had already played at the euros and scored 4 goals in 4 games. He had also already played 2 seasons in the premiership. That's fairly impressive too. I'm dont want to knock the french league because I don't watch it but i'll go out on a limb and say the standard isnt the same. That being said 19 in 20?? that's an impressive return in any league

My point is just that i'd like to see more of him at some higher level to justify the hype, the euros this summer would do nicely :P

Nunu · 27-02-2008 04:26PM

Mad_Max wrote: »

My point is just that i'd like to see more of him at some higher level to justify the hype, the euros this summer would do nicely :P

I think Euro '08 is going to be fantastic. If Ronaldo and Benzema are on form then we are going to see something really special:)

PHB · 27-02-2008 05:01PM

Is Benzema even first choice for France?
Surely he can't be ahead of Henry nor Trez?

Either way, Euro 08 should be great, because lots of the big teams has a star youngster.

France - Benzema
Portugal - Ronaldo
England - Rooney
Spain - Fabregas

One of them is going to perform and get all the plaudits, I wonder which one it'll be

Nalz · 27-02-2008 05:03PM

PHB wrote: »

Is Benzema even first choice for France?
Surely he can't be ahead of Henry nor Trez?

Either way, Euro 08 should be great, because lots of the big teams has a star youngster.

France - Benzema
Portugal - Ronaldo
England - Rooney
Spain - Fabregas

One of them is going to perform and get all the plaudits, I wonder which one it'll be

England are in it now yeah! :rolleyes:

PHB · 27-02-2008 05:05PM

Opps

I was thinking though, who are Italys star young talents coming through?

Nalz · 27-02-2008 05:19PM

Taxi for PHB!!!!!!!!!

That kid for inter, although Italy dont blood youngsters til there 27 or 28! They gotta be hard as nails to get in as a youngster in the Italian squad

event · 27-02-2008 05:25PM

WhiteWashMan wrote: »

i dont see torres signing for liverpool.

:D

genericgoon · 27-02-2008 05:32PM

This seems to be a mistake rich thread. No torres at Anfield, England at the Euros. Is there something being passed about this thread. Also Berba is quality but overpriced. Benzema would be a risk at that money. Im sure at least one striker will be coming to United. But I doubt it will be Berba. If Spurs fulfil their potential next season he'll stay, if they don't I expect he'll become sullen again.

The_B_Man · 27-02-2008 05:54PM

Whats with all the talk of Benzema? He had a good game! So what! Was it not your man Kearney for Cork that destroyed Depor a few years back and people taught he was great and destined for bigger things....not after happening! I reckon Benzema will move to Spain and dissappear into mediocrity!

Nalz · 27-02-2008 05:57PM

The B man has spoken

Spurs Chances Of Keeping Berbatov?

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