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John Terry and referees

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  • #32
    Dubit10
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    If there is a player out there with a bigger mouth than rooney then id like to know about him. He makes terry look shy and unbecoming. :D


  • #33
    Xavi6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,149 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    Savman wrote: »
    Listen it's quite simple. If I was Howard Webb and JT started his cussin' all up in ma face, I'd send him for an early shower.

    I guarantee the next time I was reffing JT in a Chelsea game, he wouldn't be as fast to gimme lip. Badda bing badda boom, problem eradicated. There is nothing more to it, it really is that simple.

    So rather than going on about JT in particular why not go start a thread on Referees? IMHO they are more responsible for the issue of indiscipline in the modern game.

    Exactly.

    I can't understand everyone's beef with Terry. If it was YOUR team's captain it wouldn't be problem. He would just be 'passionate'. It's because he's Chelsea and England captain. Why would he change his ways if no one is telling him to? Why SHOULD he change his ways if no one is telling him to?

    You would think referees would have learnt from incidents such as the United/Andy D'Urso one but they haven't so on their heads be it.


  • #34
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    Savman wrote: »
    I guarantee the next time I was reffing JT in a Chelsea game, he wouldn't be as fast to gimme lip. Badda bing badda boom, problem eradicated. There is nothing more to it, it really is that simple.
    No, it isn't.

    Did Graham Poll not do exactly this?

    Sent off Terry, told him it was to "teach him a lesson".

    Did Terry not go whinging to the press?

    Was Poll not vilified for this?

    Now, fair enough, Poll shouldn't have said anything to Terry about it, but I guarantee that in the next game that Poll reffed Terry, Terry was "all up in his face".

    Terry is at this carry on in nearly every game tbh.
    Xavi6 wrote: »
    If it was YOUR team's captain it wouldn't be problem. He would just be 'passionate'.
    Heh, that isn't really true.

    We've had many, many conversations about mouthing off.

    I say it to the lads before every game now tbh. "No mouthing to the ref". Even the captain.
    Xavi6 wrote: »
    It's because he's Chelsea and England captain.

    I'll change fix this sentence for you.

    It's because he's ... England captain that he gets away with it.

    Xavi6 wrote: »
    You would think referees would have learnt from incidents such as the United/Andy D'Urso one but they haven't so on their heads be it.
    I agree with you, and Sav, here.

    The refs have to take some responsibility for this, but not all of it. They need to start booking these players. It's the only way to get it out of the game.

    The players have to face up to their responsibility aswell.


  • #35
    Xavi6
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    DesF wrote: »
    Heh, that isn't really true.

    We've had many, many conversations about mouthing off.

    I say it to the lads before every game now tbh. "No mouthing to the ref". Even the captain.

    Last minute of the game, your team is 1-0 up. Suspicious handball in your area, ref thinks about giving a peno but your skipper starts roaring at him that it couldn't possibly be, what's he at? etc. Ref bottles it, gives nothing, you win. You would still be pissed at your captain?


  • #36
    BaZmO*
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    MrJoeSoap wrote: »
    He does seem to have quite a lot to say to them doesn't he...
    As did Keane (started the trend tbh)
    As did Viera
    As did Shearer
    As does Gerrard
    As does Gallas

    They all do/did it
    MrJoeSoap wrote: »
    I personally feel that referees should have the power to reprimand players with a yellow card who confront them at any stage, unless at his request.
    They are but they don't. It's up to the refs to stop this. You can't blame the players if the referees are letting them away with it. It's like blaming a child that acts up in front of a parent but is not reprimanded. It's not going to stop until something is done about it.


    One thing I will say though, is that Terry was out of order trying to take the card out of the ref's hand, but again, the ref was a fool for not booking him.


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  • #37
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    Xavi6 wrote: »
    Last minute of the game, your team is 1-0 up. Suspicious handball in your area, ref thinks about giving a peno but your skipper starts roaring at him that it couldn't possibly be, what's he at? etc. Ref bottles it, gives nothing, you win. You would still be pissed at your captain?
    Nope.

    But that isn't the thing here.

    Mouthing off at refs after they have given the decision is the bone of contention.

    How many refs have you seen change their mind after being surrounded by teams?

    How many refs have changed a decision because the captain has fúcked him out of it for a minute or so?

    In my opinion, at the level we are at, this behaviour only serves to turn the ref against you. Id imagine it's the same in the Premier though. Refs think to themselves "fúck this, they keep mouthing like this after every decision, I'll give them nothing".

    Here's an example of what you said.

    We were playing one night last summer. I think we were one down at the time, early in the second half. Joe was clean through and tackled, I thought it was clean, but he tumbled. NOTE : DIDN'T DIVE. I screamed bloody murder for a penalty, so did a few of the players. We got it. And scored. :) Result!

    Another example. There was a bit of tetchiness in a match recently. One of their players was going in a bit hard on us, possibly fouls, I scream for a free, ref gives it. Minute later, same player, another foul. This time I scream for a yellow card. Player booked and off for five minutes :) Result!

    In my book, that's alright.

    But surrounding a ref after he has given a decision is not on imo, neither is screaming in his face.

    Terry takes liberties because he knows he can get away with it.


  • #38
    Pepe LeFrits
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    PHB wrote: »
    I actually think Terry takes it to another level. While I think Gerrard is actually being incredibly smart, just like Keane Vieira were, Terry actually is doing something more. Takingthe card out of the refs hand is just absolutely nuts, can't see Keane, Vieira or Gerrard ever going that far.
    He gets away with it, doesn't he?

    He's pushing the limits of what is legal to gain advantage for his team. Until referees are told to clamp down on it, it'll keep happening. Sin é.


  • #39
    Xavi6
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    DesF wrote: »
    Terry takes liberties because he knows he can get away with it.

    Exactly. So we've established that Terry is NOT the root of the problem, the refs are. Hence me picking option A in the poll.


  • #40
    Savman
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    DesF wrote: »

    In my book, that's alright.
    I have to read that book! So if you're willing to give the ref a hard time in amateur football, perhaps that explains why, at the very very top, there is blue murder for every decision, far more at stake. Millions of pounds, contracts, livelihoods, contracts, hell even careers.

    Maybe that's why the Refs let it go, but I'm just speculating. I haven't the faintest notion why its not clamped down upon but I do know, as has been my whole point, that JT is just one of a hundred players who are guilty of it.

    He's Chelsea captain, that's bad enough for most people to accept when they see him lifting trophies year after year. But being England captain too makes him the Antichrist on this side of the Irish Sea.

    Tiocfaidh ar la.


  • #41
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    Savman wrote: »
    I have to read that book!
    :D

    I'll have a copy with me next week. Do you want it signed?
    Savman wrote: »
    So if you're willing to give the ref a hard time in amateur football,
    Not after the decision is made.

    Not all up in his face with spit landing on his lips, no.
    Savman wrote: »
    perhaps that explains why, at the very very top, there is blue murder for every decision, far more at stake. Millions of pounds, contracts, livelihoods, contracts, hell even careers.
    Yeah, I understand this. But a bit of self control wouldn't go amiss.

    There wasn't this surrounding of refs and ranting twenty, thirty years ago.
    Savman wrote: »
    Maybe that's why the Refs let it go, but I'm just speculating. I haven't the faintest notion why its not clamped down upon but I do know, as has been my whole point, that JT is just one of a hundred players who are guilty of it.
    Refs haven't the balls to clamp down.

    Unless a directive comes from the FA, UEFA or FIFA then they won't.
    Savman wrote: »
    He's Chelsea captain, that's bad enough for most people to accept when they see him lifting trophies year after year. But being England captain too makes him the Antichrist on this side of the Irish Sea.

    Tiocfaidh ar la.
    Ah come on mate, you know I'm not like that.


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  • #42
    Savman
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    DesF wrote: »
    There wasn't this surrounding of refs and ranting twenty, thirty years ago.
    Ah, a bit of back-in-my-day-itis :p
    There wasn't the indiscipline, sure, but there also wasn't the huge sums of cash being pumped into the game. Nowadays, one refereeing decision can be the difference between Champion's League football and UEFA cup football, which equates into MILLIONS at stake. Like I said, careers are on the line probably now more than ever, with the financial pressure bearing down on most clubs you can kinda understand why they are encouraged to fight for every decision, sometimes literally. I'm not actually disagreeing with you that this is not acceptable behaviour, I just don't think Terry deserves to be singled out and scapegoated.
    DesF wrote:
    Ah come on mate, you know I'm not like that.
    Not you maybe, but some are. You have to admit it's a bit coincidental we're talking about a Chelsea and England captain. Non-Chelsea fans have no reason to like JT and I'll go so far as to say its pure envy. The more he succeeds the less people will like him. Thing is, I doubt the guy cares tbh.


  • #43
    BaZmO*
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    Savman wrote: »
    Ah, a bit of back-in-my-day-itis :p
    There wasn't the indiscipline, sure, but there also wasn't the huge sums of cash being pumped into the game.
    I'd say the difference was that back in the day refs weren't giving frees for the type of fouls that they giving them for now! :D


  • #44
    kryogen
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    im just gonna point out a few simple facts

    A. JT is a leader
    B. JT is a great captain
    C. JT gets special treatment because he is England captain
    D. The media (english) will demonise anyone who goes against him
    E. Roy Keane did not start the trend
    F. I have an itchy back
    G. JT is a bully
    H. This is not sectarian based


  • #45
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    ok....sorry


  • #46
    growler
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    Crucificition would be too bloody good for him imo, giving out to referees even when they get a decision wrong! outrageous!

    Those pics of scousers doing the same thing are completely different as that's just friendly banter and the referees probably cant understand them anyway, or ferguson having a blue / purple fit on the sideline when his pet portuguese show pony gets blown over by someone's breathing is also different coz he has nice hair and it costs a fortune to get it restyled,

    really, get some perspective iregk.


    I've checked the diary and couldn't see anything about this being anti-chelsea week, but i'll make a note of it for next year.


  • #47
    Mr Alan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    Growler-you're the most anti Chelsea poster on these boards!


  • #48
    growler
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    that's why i'm making a note of it for next year, gives me a chance to do my homework properly and save up a few choice stats etc.

    the next two days should be good though


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