Bust-Up at Stamford Bridge

DSB · 26-02-2008 03:54PM

I can't see Grant lasting long there. Almost every single decision he makes at the club is being questioned, and he generally isn't given much respect. More tabloid ****e today about how Ballack, Joe Cole, Ashley Cole and another player (can't remember) are going to demand an explanation as to why they weren't in the team Sunday. I'd question the truth of half of it, especially given the source, but theres normally no smoke without fire. It was always going to be hard to replace someone with the influence Mourinho had over the players, and it really needed to be someone who would command instant respect.

BaZmO* · 26-02-2008 03:54PM

So should Ronaldo be called a rapist? Or least have a reputation as being a rapist?

26-02-2008 03:57PM

BaZmO* wrote: »

So should Ronaldo be called a rapist? Or least have a reputation as being a rapist?

Well u see there was no rape. The girl made it up to try to get money. There was an assault in this case so it had slightly more substance. But I agree, he was cleared.

Savman · 26-02-2008 04:30PM

KdjaCL wrote: »

Savman asked why he warranted that brand lot of people wouldnt have known about the brawl, btw your are spot on with your post with one slight change tho^.

kdjac

Still no relevance. He was cleared in a court of law. But in your eyes, he still touched those kids eh? Terry is no more a lout than Van Persie or Ronaldo is a rapist.

My point is simply that even those small minded fans who took a disliking to Terry, they'd all love to have him at their clubs. Safe to say, a lot of it probably boils down to simple envy.

You're attempting to paint him in a bad light, but there are 2 sides to every coin:

wikipedia wrote:

Honours

Chelsea
FA Premier League (2004-05, 2005-06)

FA Cup (2000, 2007)

League Cup (2005, 2007)

FA Community Shield (2005)

Personal honours
PFA Player of the Year (2004-05)

2005 UEFA Champions League Best Defender

FIFA World Cup squad of the tournament (2006)

FIFPro World XI Team (2005, 2006, 2007)

Captain of England national football team (2006-present)

I think it's clear this guy ain't no Joey Barton.

growler · 26-02-2008 04:44PM

Savman wrote: »

Still no relevance. He was cleared in a court of law. But in your eyes, he still touched those kids eh? Terry is no more a lout than Van Persie or Ronaldo is a rapist.

My point is simply that even those small minded fans who took a disliking to Terry, they'd all love to have him at their clubs. Safe to say, a lot of it probably boils down to simple envy.

You're attempting to paint him in a bad light, but there are 2 sides to every coin:

I think it's clear this guy ain't no Joey Barton.

don't let the truth get in the way of a bit of chelsea bashing.

Strangely I haven't seen this story in any real newspaper today, maybe they made it up! Anyway, no matter how many playground arguments they may have at Cobham, its all irrelevent until we get a manager who knows something about managing football teams.

DSB · 26-02-2008 04:47PM

growler wrote: »

don't let the truth get in the way of a bit of chelsea bashing.

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

PHB · 26-02-2008 04:50PM

Personally, I think the fact that he demanded an 11 year contract where he would become manager at the end says all you need to know about Terry, even if it was just a rumour.

He is becoming like Shearer at Newcastle, thinks he the most important part of the club.
It's also no surprise that the team are desperately unhappy under Grant. Mourinho created a siege mentality for a reason, because it distracts from other things, like you not getting to play week in week out due to the massive size of the squad. That many players is extremely difficult to manage, Mourinho was magical at it, Grant is not.
Either way, I think this will all be solved when Chelsea win nothing this year, Grant is fired, new manager comes in, give 200 million to spend, Chelsea start all over again.

iregk · 26-02-2008 04:58PM

As I said before this Claude Mak must have been surely the worlds greatest player ever. To make JT and Lamps look world class and even come close to winning world player of the year and such like must take some doing. Surely he should have been worlds greatest for the past 5 years no?

The thing is the hypocrasy on this board is unreal. Apparently Terry is crap as is Lampard. Lampard only scores because of Drogba, obviously he never scored a goal in his life prior to Drogba arriving. Lampard only scores deflections. I think football focus said about a month ago only 6 goals in his entire career were deflections.

Terry is apparently crap and as someone said recently, stay with me while I stop laughing and attempt to write this: "Chelsea's 4th best defender". Assuming you mean behind Ricky, Alex and Tal ben. The latter two are average at best but yes Ricky is sheer class. Strange how even last season and indeed this season everyone was saying how crap the Chelsea defense is without Terry in there, yet he is apparently crap.

17 goals conceeded 2nd best in the prem and the collosal Claude Mak hasn't even played very much football this season. Oh but wait no sorry, its nothing to do with JT its all Petr Cech. The same Cech that someone said recently is woeful this season and error prone.

Am I missing something here?

growler · 26-02-2008 06:11PM

you're rising to the bait, you shouldn't bother.

I'm glad that PHB can decide what ever he wants about a player based on unfounded rumours, good thinking that way you can always invent some nonsense to support whatever bizzare view you want to have, smart.

"Personally, I think the fact that he demanded an 11 year contract where he would become manager at the end says all you need to know about Terry, even if it was just a rumour."

its hard to believe you can sit there and type this without your head exploding from the sheer stupidity of it, "fact" not same as "rumour"

legend

PHB · 26-02-2008 06:14PM

I think the fact that the rumour came out shows all you need to know about Terry, and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if it was true. That's how he sees himself, and somebody obviously thought to take it to its logical conclusions.

Rumour is often a reflection of the facts. Terry has an attitude problem there's no doubt about that. The fact that he was instrumental in getting rid of Mourinho says all I need to know about where he thinks of himself in relation to the club.

Savman · 26-02-2008 06:16PM

growler wrote: »

you're rising to the bait, you shouldn't bother.

I'm glad that PHB can decide what ever he wants about a player based on unfounded rumours, good thinking that way you can always invent some nonsense to support whatever bizzare view you want to have, smart.

"Personally, I think the fact that he demanded an 11 year contract where he would become manager at the end says all you need to know about Terry, even if it was just a rumour."

its hard to believe you can sit there and type this without your head exploding from the sheer stupidity of it, "fact" not same as "rumour"

legend

Don't be silly. If The Sun says so it has to be true.

PHB · 26-02-2008 06:25PM

Also lets not forget his demands that he be the highest paid player at the club, even if it was only be 1000 pounds. That's important you know, he has to be the best player.
Some players have egos, but are still reasonable enough, like say Lampard, but some players have egos that are built up and encouraged, particuarly when they are home grown players, we all see this happen with Shearer, maybe even with Gerrard, and this is defo happening with Terry.

growler · 26-02-2008 06:32PM

PHB wrote: »

I think the fact that the rumour came out shows all you need to know about Terry, and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if it was true. That's how he sees himself, and somebody obviously thought to take it to its logical conclusions.

Rumour is often a reflection of the facts. Terry has an attitude problem there's no doubt about that. The fact that he was instrumental in getting rid of Mourinho says all I need to know about where he thinks of himself in relation to the club.

Would you like a shovel to help with that hole you're digging?

A logical conclusion to hearing an unsubstantiated rumour that matches your own preconceived ideas = a fact. ROFL.

Hope you never get jury service.

I happened to read Terry's programme notes shortly after said rumour came out and he denied ever having asked for such a thing, said it was completely untrue, but hey if you want to believe whatever you want why bother trying to justify it?

Savman · 26-02-2008 06:37PM

PHB wrote: »

Also lets not forget his demands that he be the highest paid player at the club, even if it was only be 1000 pounds. That's important you know, he has to be the best player.
Some players have egos, but are still reasonable enough, like say Lampard, but some players have egos that are built up and encouraged, particuarly when they are home grown players, we all see this happen with Shearer, maybe even with Gerrard, and this is defo happening with Terry.

Man you don't know when to stop. Shearer was a class act, one of the greatest strikers of the modern game. He was a seriously important part of NUFC, if you can't see that I can't explain it to you. He's a feckin God up there.

Terry is Chelsea thru and thru and some would argue he has probably been the single most important player in their successful Mourinho era. I know it's easy to jump on a bandwagon like its the latest fashion trend, but this man is a highly respect figure in the game and so far you have not shown any evidence of this supposed ego.

wiki wrote:

In the July 2007 edition of World Soccer Magazine, players from a variety of clubs were asked who they thought was the perfect captain. The following are a selection of quotes from players who chose John Terry.
"Even from the outside the game you can appreciate that John Terry is the boss of the Chelsea side in all ways."-Cesc Fabregas, Arsenal.

"You can see that everybody always looks for John Terry on the pitch. He is vital for Chelsea."-Gabriel Heinze, Real Madrid.

"...what you need is a good communicator and organizer, such as John Terry, who obviously cares deeply about his club."-Christoph Metzelder, Real Madrid.

"John Terry is the perfect skipper. It's obvious Chelsea means everything to him. When he makes those last ditch blocks, team-mates can't help but be inspired."-Kasey Keller, Fulham FC.

But I guess they're all wrong and you're right, he's an egotistical overrated twat.

Savman · 26-02-2008 06:40PM

PHB wrote: »

Rumour is often a reflection of the facts.

Lord almighty.

PHB wrote:

Terry has an attitude problem there's no doubt about that.

Actually there is doubt, a lot of it.

PHB wrote:

The fact that he was instrumental in getting rid of Mourinho says all I need to know about where he thinks of himself in relation to the club.

And you know all this how? Oh wait...

PHB wrote: »

Rumour is often a reflection of the facts.

I see.

PHB · 26-02-2008 06:42PM

Would you like a shovel to help with that hole you're digging?

A logical conclusion to hearing an unsubstantiated rumour that matches your own preconceived ideas = a fact. ROFL.

You didn't really read my post did ya?

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It's no surprise that people who like him are from outside the club in those quotes. Wonder what Mourinho would say about him? Nobodies denying his talent on the pitch, which is what those players are talking about. This is off the pitch stuff.

Man you don't know when to stop. Shearer was a class act, one of the greatest strikers of the modern game. He was a seriously important part of NUFC, if you can't see that I can't explain it to you. He's a feckin God up there.

He is, but it's also why they are so bloody delusional. Shearer stayed too long, had managers fired because they weren't picking him, and put pressure on the manager years after he had left the club. He was bigger than the club, just like Terry is trying to be, and somewhat succedding.

OPENROAD · 26-02-2008 08:22PM

prendy wrote: »

Terry is to big for his boots....

Looks like it, another Roy Keane in the making.

iregk · 26-02-2008 10:15PM

OPENROAD wrote: »

Looks like it, another Roy Keane in the making.

Yeah it would be a shame if he turned into the best player in the land driving his team on to title after title.

stick-dan · 27-02-2008 02:29AM

God you chelsea fans well wherever you are some some major problems don't you. Few things. Number 1 the article is from the sun so well thats that discredited straight away. Number two, Why get so annoyed at grant. Hey he didn't tell roman to sack mourinho and he damn sure has not done a bad job at chelsea. He has stuck with the mourinho formation until they can work on his style during the summer. I don't particularily follow chelsea's stats but grant has only lost what something like 3 games since he took charge. Hardly warrants sacking does it. God chelsea must really be in for some rough times now. Lost a cup final;) And yes john terry is a bully among other things like an ex england captain as was already rightly pointed out. John Terry thinks he is bigger than chelsea and we all know where thats going to lead.

Peyton Manning · 27-02-2008 07:24AM

By Ian McGarry
27th February 2008

HENK TEN CATE last night admitted he had a furious F-word bust-up with Chelsea skipper John Terry.

The Blues’ Dutch coach confirmed yesterday’s SunSport’s exclusive and confessed his part in the row which has rocked Stamford Bridge.

Ten Cate said: “We are both kind of emotional — but we respect each other fully.

“We just had a discussion about the intensity of the training session. That’s a normal part of the game. There have been a few F-words, no doubt. But that’s common in England.”

The 53-year-old coach also admitted there was tension before the Carling Cup final.

Quoted on the Dutch newspaper AD website, Ten Cate said: “There was a special tension on Saturday.

“We have 27 players and three keepers but only a few of them could play.

“John wanted to have even more intensity in training but I didn’t agree as we were just one day before the match. That was all. Me and John get on well. John won’t disagree.”

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...icle850687.ece

Bust-Up at Stamford Bridge

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