Kick Italian clubs out of UEFA Competitions

PHB · 21-02-2008 12:41PM

Every club have fans who want to cause trouble. However the hooligans are a different level. Those lads who were arrested were regular at Old Trafford. I highly highly doubt that those Roma fans who stabbed people were regulars at the Stadio *******.

Indeed, but there are levels of trouble. How the **** can't people see that?

Let's make a nice little table

A. Killing people
B. Stabbing People
C. Looking for fights

People in B are much worse than people in C!! Yet the police focus on people from abroad in C! Despite the fact that there are lots of people in B living in their own ****ing city. That is an absolute joke.

_blank_ · 21-02-2008 12:45PM

I'm sorry PHB, but it sounds like you have sympathy for people who go looking for trouble. Do you?

When trouble finds them they can't just start crying because they come accross the proper hardcore holigan element.

It's pretty obvious to me, you and the rest of the damn world that Roma Ultras are prone to knife weilding. It's not as if the knives were a surprise, is it?

So, this Manc Firm that went to Rome, looking for trouble, knew that a knifing was a possibility, yet they still went looking for a fight.

Idiots imo.

And yes, the Rome police are correc to crack down on them. Why the hell should they tolerate foreigners coming into the city intent on causing trouble. After all, if they weren't there, the Roma Ultras would have nobody to stab.

PHB · 21-02-2008 12:54PM

Jesus christ, that's just utterly wrong in so many ways, the most important being,

Roma fans don't stab people who are out looking for fights. They stab anyone who happens to walk down the wrong ****ing alley.

The Roma fans tolerate the people who stab anyone, and then focus on the foreign fans who are out looking for a fight with other foreign fans looking for a fight. It's a ****ing joke.

super_furry · 21-02-2008 01:11PM

PHB wrote: »

Jesus christ, that's just utterly wrong in so many ways, the most important being,

Roma fans don't stab people who are out looking for fights. They stab anyone who happens to walk down the wrong ****ing alley.

The Roma fans tolerate the people who stab anyone, and then focus on the foreign fans who are out looking for a fight with other foreign fans looking for a fight. It's a ****ing joke.

Exactly the point that people are missing, or willfully ignoring, it's very rarely travelling foreign hooligans that are attacked by Roma fans, but normal fans. And even when it is other hooligans, doesn’t the fact that Roma fans are stabbing people so regularly, warrant investigation? Once could be an isolated incident, twice is worry, but the frequency with which football fans are being stabbed in Rome is such that it’s not a safe place for football fans and as such, Roma should not be allowed to compete in European football.

Middlesbrough fans stabbed in Rome - http://www.4ni.co.uk/news.asp?id=49707

Real Madrid fan stabbed in Rome - http://uk.reuters.com/article/worldFootballNews/idUKL1946523620080219

Catania fans stabbed in Rome - http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_3065869,00.html

Liverpool fans stabbed in Rome - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/1694824.stm

Man United fans stabbed in Rome - http://football.guardian.co.uk/championsleague200708/story/0,,2226664,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront

PHB · 21-02-2008 01:38PM

Careful now, you don't mean to suggest that the police in Italy are an absolute joke do you?

OhNoYouDidn't · 21-02-2008 01:46PM

I lived in Rome for a while and I am not for a second defending them stabbing anyone, and will acknowledge they have a lundatic fringe, but the simple reality is that all the incidents listed are hooligan on hooligan action. .

I have no sympathy for anyone who is cavalier enough to take them on in Rome with the reputation they have.

PHB - have you any source for your tabloid allegation that they stab 'anyone'? I have yet to hear of any 'normal' fan behaving themselves ever getting in bother in Rome. Are you as vitriolic towords the Man Utd fans for tolerating hooligans, Liverpool for tolerating murderers and Real Madrid for tolerating fascits? Or is it just you defend crap hooligans?

OhNoYouDidn't · 21-02-2008 01:47PM

PHB wrote: »

Careful now, you don't mean to suggest that the police in Italy are an absolute joke do you?

Will we run through a list of serious injuries to away fans over the same time frame at Tottenham, Chelsea, West Ham or Birmingham?

Is the issue hooliganism or specifically knives?

PHB · 21-02-2008 02:33PM

Read the first report, just look at it. The Roma fans threw flares into a pub where Boro fans were drinking in order to get them out, and then procedded to stab them!

There is no denying that there still exists a serious hooligan problem that is not reported in England. Hell last week after the Derby, some City fan got the **** kicked out of him. However, the police are actually investigating it and trying to find out who did it. It's not like they are doing nothing about it, then waiting for Lyon fans to come over so they can arrest them!

leninbenjamin · 21-02-2008 03:39PM

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

I lived in Rome for a while and I am not for a second defending them stabbing anyone, and will acknowledge they have a lundatic fringe, but the simple reality is that all the incidents listed are hooligan on hooligan action. .

I have no sympathy for anyone who is cavalier enough to take them on in Rome with the reputation they have.

I dunno if that's the case. there have been an awful lot of eyewitness reports over the years saying that there are elements of the Roma fans who actively look for a fight.

I'd hate to see Roma kicked out, and by no means should the other Italian clubs be, but there has to be some sort of formal investigation by UEFA into Roma's fans at this stage. THEY are the only concrete common denominator here.

Kick Italian clubs out of UEFA Competitions

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