Matterazzi

el dude · 19-02-2008 11:07PM

That's karma. such a c*nt of a player deserves all the bad luck in the world.

fortuneg · 19-02-2008 11:17PM

Stekelly wrote: »

Even if he hadnt been sent off that time he'd habe done it another few times when Torres made **** of him and get sent off then anyway.

Your ability to see into the future of a parallel dimension is astounding

Tusky · 19-02-2008 11:25PM

Harsh sending off. I dont believe Torres dived though as they were both fouls. Just not yellow cards. Couldn't have happened to a more deserving player.

Liverpool also had a blatant penalty not given so it kind of evened out.

Villain · 19-02-2008 11:30PM

Jees lads what happened to the rule about not calling players names??

Tusky · 19-02-2008 11:30PM

Villain wrote: »

Jees lads what happened to the rule about not calling players names??

Good shout. Edited.

PHB · 19-02-2008 11:32PM

el dude was banned for a week

Dave! · 20-02-2008 12:21AM

just watching the highlights now, no way was the first one a yellow.

Decent play from liverpool; Gerard had a good run into the box with some quick passing.

gosplan · 20-02-2008 12:58AM

second yellow, first not.

Second was cynical. Torres had beaten him and was in a pretty good position, and raising your hands is not trying to play the ball. TBH Matterazi wasn't clever doing that while already on a yellow. Should have just let him go.

First harsh, and one harsh booking plus one marginal one = harsh

MrJoeSoap · 20-02-2008 01:00AM

PHB wrote: »

el dude was banned for a week

That didn't take long.

As for anyone saying he deserved a red card, take these off. And I hate Materazzi. That said having picked up the first yellow he was stupid to be caught for the second one. Not the brightest of players I reckon. He definitely would have gotten away with it in Serie A, he's like royalty there.

Kimbot · 20-02-2008 01:14AM

Second was a definate Yellow, he pulled him back.

Carra should have been booked aswell but both were pullling out of each other.

leninbenjamin · 20-02-2008 01:22AM

jonny24ie wrote: »

Second was a definate Yellow, he pulled him back.

i dont think so. he had the hand up, but then took it away as it became obvious torres had gotten away. then torres falls down in a heap. he probably deserved a yellow for cumulative fouls at that stage but definitely shouldn't have been sent off, although knowing his character he probably would have managed to get sent off later in the game regardless...

still, the referee was absolutely woeful tonight. at first i thought he was a homer, but then it just became obvious he was out of his depth and very very unsure of himself. that should be the last game he refs in the champions league this season... but unfortunately we'll probably see him pop up somewhere

Nunu · 20-02-2008 01:30AM

leninbenjamin wrote: »

i dont think so. he had the hand up, but then took it away as it became obvious torres had gotten away. then torres falls down in a heap. he probably deserved a yellow for cumulative fouls at that stage but definitely shouldn't have been sent off, although knowing his character he probably would have managed to get sent off later in the game regardless...

still, the referee was absolutely woeful tonight. at first i thought he was a homer, but then it just became obvious he was out of his depth and very very unsure of himself. that should be the last game he refs in the champions league this season... but unfortunately we'll probably see him pop up somewhere

But he wasn't just plucked from obscurity. He's an experienced ref. I think he did the Milan - Utd semi last season? His performance was awful alright.

leninbenjamin · 20-02-2008 01:37AM

Nunu wrote: »

But he wasn't just plucked from obscurity. He's an experienced ref. I think he did the Milan - Utd semi last season? His performance was awful alright.

Nevermind that so. i'm normally good on remembering refs, but i didn't recognise him so assumed he was a relative newcomer. Still, that being the case then his performance was even more unforgivable.

LegacyUser · 20-02-2008 02:39AM

Stekelly wrote: »

He pulled Torres because he got past him and Mterazzi didnt fancy chasing. It's a cynical foul and deserves a yellow. Even if he hadnt been sent off that time he'd habe done it another few times when Torres made **** of him and get sent off then anyway.

Thats absolute bull****. Materazzi didn't deserve to be sent off and you know. There were two or three instances with Liverpool doing the same stuff and they didn't even get booked. Get a reality check.

kida · 20-02-2008 08:53AM

For those going on about Karma - hopefully it will happen in the second leg also where Carragher will get a red card in the 1st minute for a dive by an Inter player in the box.

First wasn't even a foul, for the second Torres thought about it(oh was I touched - better go down). Was a foul but not a card.

homerjay2005 · 20-02-2008 09:04AM

didnt see the first one so i cant comment, but torres dived for the second one. he cheated and the ref took it. even benitiz actions were shameful calling for a red.shame and it robbed Inter and now liverpool are odds on to go through.

Sherifu · 20-02-2008 09:40AM

kida wrote: »

For those going on about Karma - hopefully it will happen in the second leg also where Carragher will get a red card in the 1st minute for a dive by an Inter player in the box.

Karma/Reputation, whatever you want to call it. Diving/Cheating will normally catch up to a player, as it did to Drogba last season. Refs will be slower to give you frees/quicker to give you a card.

kida wrote: »

First wasn't even a foul, for the second Torres thought about it(oh was I touched - better go down). Was a foul but not a card.

Didn't see the first one so I can't comment. The second one was a cynical foul, very stupid when he knew he was on a yellow. It wasn't as if Torres would have been through on goal either, just really lazy defending.

Mr Alan · 20-02-2008 11:10AM

Ref had a shocker last night.
Red Card was harsh. One definate yellow. Torres might have gone down a bit easy for the other which is not nice to see at all. The irony of the Utd fans in here slating him for it is hilarious though

With the red card being harsh, i think it was absolutely levelled out when Liverpool were denied the most blatant of penalties and numerous mental decisions by the ref.

gucci · 20-02-2008 11:22AM

People can say torres went down easy for the second one, but in fairness he was as well to as there wasn't alot on as there was cover, and he was getting his team a free in a dangerous position (although with liverpools delivery from set-pieces recently he was as well off he kicked the ball aimlessly over the side line!)

Matteratzzi should have had a bit more cop on than be caught like that....oh no wait matteratzzi and cop on, that dosnt really fit! I was delighted he got sent off for two "mild" incidents because if he had the chance he would have sent torres off on a stretcher.

Ref was very dodgy last nite, Mascherano probably should have been booked too for consistent fouling, none of which really warranted a yellow card, but one could argue Matteratzzis ones didnt really warrant them either.

The penalty should have been given quite simply because it was the gayest looking handball of all time, I thought Viera used to be a tough guy!! He looked quite camp in his handball pose!

Mr Alan · 20-02-2008 11:35AM

i have to say i thought very few of the fouls that Mascherano was penalised for last night were actually fouls!

As for people slating the ref for inconsistancy and not booking Carra for pulling the shirt? I think the reason the ref didnt was simply because it was kind of 6 of 1 half a dozen of the other, they were both fouling eachother and also it was in a fairly non-threatening position on the pitch. Of course the area a foul takes place will have a bearing on the refs decision and so it should.

astrofool · 20-02-2008 11:36AM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Ref had a shocker last night.
Red Card was harsh. One definate yellow. Torres might have gone down a bit easy for the other which is not nice to see at all. The irony of the Utd fans in here slating him for it is hilarious though With the red card being harsh, i think it was absolutely levelled out when Liverpool were denied the most blatant of penalties and numerous mental decisions by the ref.

I'm sorry, but you're the first one to go jumping into arguments with other fans when one of their team's players dive.

Mr Alan · 20-02-2008 11:40AM

True hence the reason why i say if he dived (which i have to see again, my brother assures me he didnt) its not nice to see at all.

the irony is the fans who usually say nothing when people dive slating him. i am being level, if torres dived thats wrong. but i dont think he did.

Xavi6 · 20-02-2008 11:40AM

gucci wrote: »

People can say torres went down easy for the second one, but in fairness he was as well to as there wasn't alot on as there was cover, and he was getting his team a free in a dangerous position (although with liverpools delivery from set-pieces recently he was as well off he kicked the ball aimlessly over the side line!)

So you're condoning players going down easy? It's ok to exaggerate contact if it means you win a free and get your opponent booked? That to me is cheating.

cournioni · 20-02-2008 11:44AM

If that was a red card offence. I truely fear for the game of Soccer. I've seen more contact in Netball ffs!

_blank_ · 20-02-2008 11:48AM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Of course the area a foul takes place will have a bearing on the refs decision and so it should.

Ridiculous imo.

A foul, is a foul, is a foul.

If a foul is a foul in the centre circle, it's a foul in the box. If the ref is going to give a free kick in the centre circle for something, he should definitely give a penalty.

What are you saying here Alan? Certain offences are acceptable in the box? It's ok to give "soft" free kicks, but not penalties?

This is absurd.

Mr Alan wrote: »

if torres dived thats wrong. but i dont think he did.

Of course you don't.

Mr Alan · 20-02-2008 11:53AM

DesF wrote: »

Ridiculous imo.

A foul, is a foul, is a foul.

If a foul is a foul in the centre circle, it's a foul in the box. If the ref is going to give a free kick in the centre circle for something, he should definitely give a penalty.

Ah Des, how i look forward to our daily arguments!

My point is, i think a foul when Matterazzi has been beaten by the pace of Torres and is going past him to attack on goal is more worthy of a yellow card than Carragher and another player pulling out of eachother after a set piece just outside the Inter box-surely you agree?!

i think both are fouls and deserving of free kicks, but only one worthy of a booking. This is common place in football.

_blank_ · 20-02-2008 11:59AM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Ah Des, how i look forward to our daily arguments!

Yore face!

Mr Alan wrote: »

My point is, i think a foul when Matterazzi has been beaten by the pace of Torres and is going past him to attack on goal is more worthy of a yellow card than Carragher and another player pulling out of eachother after a set piece just outside the Inter box-surely you agree?!

Er, I do agree with this. I was listening on Five Live last night, and one of the comments about the first yellow was that "he's been yellow carded for his lack of pace". Yes, Torres had gone by, it was cynical to pull him back, especially if Materazzi had no chance of catching up. Definite yellow.

BUT, Alan, Alan, Alan, you have moved the goalposts on this debate, you sly old dog you.

Your original post, the one with which I had a problem was this, allow me to remind you.

Mr Alan wrote: »

Of course the area a foul takes place will have a bearing on the refs decision and so it should.

This is what I was arguing against.

Mr Alan wrote: »

i think both are fouls and deserving of free kicks, but only one worthy of a booking. This is common place in football.

Of course it is, and I have no issue with this.

Different degrees of offence, but use the same standards be it in the box, or the centre circle, imo.

Mr Alan · 20-02-2008 12:02PM

maybe it was just a misunderstanding Des, i agree that a foul is a foul-be it in the box or the centre circle. when i refered to the "refs decision" i meant as to whether or not its a bookable offence or not.

IE: a foul in the box compared to an identical foul in the centre circle is more deserving of a booking.

gucci · 20-02-2008 12:04PM

Xavi6 wrote: »

So you're condoning players going down easy? It's ok to exaggerate contact if it means you win a free and get your opponent booked? That to me is cheating.

That to you is cheating, but to me its smart play. I don't feel he exaggerated contact, rolling around clutching his face or something like that is exaggerating contact.
He was fouled, he went down. If he was straight through on goal he probably would have stumbled on to try and finish.
Football is all about being smart if you want to succeed:
A free in a dangerous position is better than losing the ball is smart play.
Working extra hard to stay on your feet when the shot is on is smart play.

_blank_ · 20-02-2008 12:09PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

maybe it was just a misunderstanding Des, i agree that a foul is a foul-be it in the box or the centre circle. when i refered to the "refs decision" i meant as to whether or not its a bookable offence or not.

IE: a foul in the box compared to an identical foul in the centre circle is more deserving of a booking.

What you are talking about is called inconsistancy.

Imagine Team X playing Team Y.

Player Team X pulls a shirt in the centre circle, ref gives a free kick, and a talking to.

Player Team Y pulls a shirt in his own box. Ref gives a penalty, and a yellow card?!

Imagine you support Team Y. Imagine that player was already on a yellow. You'd be up in arms at the second yellow and subsequent red card, slating the ref for not applying the same standard for the same foul. No card in the middle = no card in the box.

Or so it should be.

Matterazzi

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