Arw selection/training

twinytwo · 17-02-2008 04:08PM #1

Ii decided to post this to stop all the trolls aka Pathfinder and all the others who seem to have nothing better to do than bad mouth the Irish Army and The Army Ranger Wing,

Firstly for all ye plebs who seem to think that it takes only four weeks to become a ranger the selection is basically broken into 2 parts.

1)Intial Selection- This part is 4 weeks in duration. It consists of assessments in weapons handling ,Physical training,Mountain Navigation ,Confidence Training and survival skills The 3rd and 4th weeks consist of long range reconnaissance patrolling which incorporates training as well as testing of personnel. Candidates are taught special forces tactics, reconnaissance and surveillance, intelligence gathering and searching for enemy forces teams and the organisation of ambushes. The course culminates in a 45 Km march within a time limit... this timelimit depends on what route is selected

Upon completing the first part the remaining candidates then progress to the second part which is a 6 MONTH!! Basic Skills Course.. this consists of Long Range Patrolling,Advanced Shooting and Markmanship,Survival Training and Navigation,Physical Training and Hostage Rescue Tactics.. at anytime during these 7 months any candidate that fails to complete the excersise or for any reason not thought to be fit to become a ranger he/she will be returned to unit..... It is only after these 7 months that any of the remaining candidates are classified as Rangers... they then procced to do Specialist Training in areas such as Parachuting,Boat Handling,Combat Diving,Advanced Navigation,Explosive Intervention,Medical Proficiency and Sniping.... This clearly puts them on the same playing field as all other so called "SF's" in the world as their selection/training is as long if longer than most others they are also equipped and trained to handle any situation that may arise... So for all you newbs and trolls go and try to start a fight over something else:D

minidazzler · 17-02-2008 08:12PM

I am not 100% sure of all this but it seems to fit right to the Irish Army's SOP's so I will take your word for it!

NoQuarter · 18-02-2008 12:07AM

mostly right, just initial selection is 3 weeks now!

eroo · 18-02-2008 12:37AM

No offense OP,but all of that was already said throughout various posts and the trollins/attacks continued.No point in starting a thread for it,tbh.
Good post nonetheless I suppose!

Running Bing · 18-02-2008 11:43AM

twinytwo wrote: »

Ii decided to post this to stop all the trolls aka Pathfinder and all the others who seem to have nothing better to do than bad mouth the Irish Army and The Army Ranger Wing,

Firstly for all ye plebs who seem to think that it takes only four weeks to become a ranger the selection is basically broken into 2 parts.

1)Intial Selection- This part is 4 weeks in duration. It consists of assessments in weapons handling ,Physical training,Mountain Navigation ,Confidence Training and survival skills The 3rd and 4th weeks consist of long range reconnaissance patrolling which incorporates training as well as testing of personnel. Candidates are taught special forces tactics, reconnaissance and surveillance, intelligence gathering and searching for enemy forces teams and the organisation of ambushes. The course culminates in a 45 Km march within a time limit... this timelimit depends on what route is selected

Upon completing the first part the remaining candidates then progress to the second part which is a 6 MONTH!! Basic Skills Course.. this consists of Long Range Patrolling,Advanced Shooting and Markmanship,Survival Training and Navigation,Physical Training and Hostage Rescue Tactics.. at anytime during these 7 months any candidate that fails to complete the excersise or for any reason not thought to be fit to become a ranger he/she will be returned to unit..... It is only after these 7 months that any of the remaining candidates are classified as Rangers... they then procced to do Specialist Training in areas such as Parachuting,Boat Handling,Combat Diving,Advanced Navigation,Explosive Intervention,Medical Proficiency and Sniping.... This clearly puts them on the same playing field as all other so called "SF's" in the world as their selection/training is as long if longer than most others they are also equipped and trained to handle any situation that may arise... So for all you newbs and trolls go and try to start a fight over something else:D

Good stuff. Anyone any idea what routes they use for the marches and navigation or even where it is done?

twinytwo · 18-02-2008 01:43PM

Babybing wrote: »

Good stuff. Anyone any idea what routes they use for the marches and navigation or even where it is done?

I take it that its all done on military land... so i doubt you would have anyway of finding out.. not that anyone who knew would be up for sharing. Also i would think that there is no fixed route. Again i could be wrong on this.

Riddle101 · 18-02-2008 05:33PM

What weapons do the ARW fire? I heard they don't fire the Styer, and are the others

minidazzler · 18-02-2008 05:56PM

twinytwo wrote: »

I take it that its all done on military land... so i doubt you would have anyway of finding out.. not that anyone who knew would be up for sharing. Also i would think that there is no fixed route. Again i could be wrong on this.

No there are is no Military Land here for that Big.
I guess they do it over the Glen.

What weapons do the ARW fire? I heard they don't fire the Styer, and are the others

They Fire Loads of different Weapons. Steyr included. Of course Some of them get the A3 version of the Steyr AUG.

I have seen official Pics as well where the Minimi was being used.

They have many different Weapons. And as Far as I remember the Use the Sig Sauer P226 for the standard side arm.

(This post makes me feel like a walt even though I dont think I am.)

twinytwo · 18-02-2008 07:28PM

Riddle101 wrote: »

What weapons do the ARW fire? I heard they don't fire the Styer, and are the others

Sidearms: Walther PPK
SIG P226
SIG P228

Machine Guns: FN Minimi-Para
FN Mag

Semi Auto: Heckler&Koch MP-5 A3
Heckler&Koch MP-5 SD3
Heckler&Koch MP-5K
Heckler&Koch 53

They do use the Steyr Aug as it is the standard assault weapon for the armed forces. They also use Steyr A3 Carbine.
The Snipers use the Accuracy International .338

Quis Separabit · 18-02-2008 09:15PM

twinytwo wrote: »

Ii decided to post this to stop all the trolls aka Pathfinder and all the others who seem to have nothing better to do than bad mouth the Irish Army and The Army Ranger Wing,

Firstly for all ye plebs who seem to think that it takes only four weeks to become a ranger the selection is basically broken into 2 parts.

1)Intial Selection- This part is 4 weeks in duration. It consists of assessments in weapons handling ,Physical training,Mountain Navigation ,Confidence Training and survival skills The 3rd and 4th weeks consist of long range reconnaissance patrolling which incorporates training as well as testing of personnel. Candidates are taught special forces tactics, reconnaissance and surveillance, intelligence gathering and searching for enemy forces teams and the organisation of ambushes. The course culminates in a 45 Km march within a time limit... this timelimit depends on what route is selected
any candidate that fails to complete the excersise or for any reason not thought to be fit to become a ranger he/she will be returned to unit..... It is only after these 7 months that any of the remaining candidates are classified as Rangers... they then procced to do Specialist Training in areas such as Parachuting,Boat Handling,Combat Diving,Advanced Navigation,Explosive Intervention,Medical Proficiency and Sniping.... This clearly puts them on the same playing field as all other so called "SF's" in the world as their selection/training is as long if longer than most others they are also equipped and trained to handle any situation that may arise... So for all you newbs and trolls go and try to start a fight over something else:D

Where did anyone claim it takes 4 weeks to become a ranger ?

Got the post ?

Its impossible that a unit the size of a company with such limited logistical support and equipment, can be expert in all of the above. Especially when the apart from CRW the main role of the unit is to raise standards in the army and rangers later return to their units.

I am simply stating reality. I am not claiming they are not a special forces unit, just your claim their selection and test week and training is on par with the SAS and Delta etc, which is your claim, infact you stated their selection and training went beyond that of those units.

Post the rest of the cut and paste.

Riddle101 · 18-02-2008 10:10PM

twinytwo wrote: »

Sidearms: Walther PPK
SIG P226
SIG P228

Machine Guns: FN Minimi-Para
FN Mag

Semi Auto: Heckler&Koch MP-5 A3
Heckler&Koch MP-5 SD3
Heckler&Koch MP-5K
Heckler&Koch 53

They do use the Steyr Aug as it is the standard assault weapon for the armed forces. They also use Steyr A3 Carbine.
The Snipers use the Accuracy International .338

Thanks for that, i remember seeing one of them with a Hecklar&Kock actually, he was doing guard duty in The Curragh when i was doing my annual camp in the summer but i never thought much of it. I believe the Navy use the MP-5 as well

twinytwo · 18-02-2008 10:53PM

Quis Separabit wrote: »

Where did anyone claim it takes 4 weeks to become a ranger ?

Got the post ?

Its impossible that a unit the size of a company with such limited logistical support and equipment, can be expert in all of the above. Especially when the apart from CRW the main role of the unit is to raise standards in the army and rangers later return to their units.

I am simply stating reality. I am not claiming they are not a special forces unit, just your claim their selection and test week and training is on par with the SAS and Delta etc, which is your claim, infact you stated their selection and training went beyond that of those units.

Post the rest of the cut and paste.

Go away troll.. U have no way of knowing what they do and do not have..If ur going to quote me u might aswell try to get it right.. I said it puts them on the same playing field.. And i said was longer than some units. Not that it is better or more effective in anyway. Im also willing to bet ur pathfinder

eroo · 18-02-2008 11:33PM

here we go again,another bitchy thread packed full of Waltyness(Pathfinder etc)...anyone else think this thread should be shut/moved to Walter Mitty forum?
The military forum used to be somewhat good but things are going downhill...fast!

twinytwo · 18-02-2008 11:42PM

eroo wrote: »

here we go again,another bitchy thread packed full of Waltyness(Pathfinder etc)...anyone else think this thread should be shut/moved to Walter Mitty forum?
The military forum used to be somewhat good but things are going downhill...fast!

Would it not be better to just remove the trouble makers.. i would prefer not to have this thread closed.. i have pmd one of the mods

Quis Separabit · 19-02-2008 12:29AM

twinytwo wrote: »

Go away troll.. U have no way of knowing what they do and do not have..If ur going to quote me u might aswell try to get it right.. I said it puts them on the same playing field.. And i said was longer than some units. Not that it is better or more effective in anyway. Im also willing to bet ur pathfinder

Asking you to back up your claims and post the rest of the copy and paste is a perfectly reasonable request.

Manic Moran · 19-02-2008 08:15AM

Six months? Piffle.

I'm going to Ft Knox next week for a six month course. At the end of this time, I will be a paper pusher and desk jockey the likes of which makes the ARW pale to insignificance in comparison.

NTM

Hagar · 19-02-2008 08:25AM

The muppet factor is increasing around here. I don't know why.

I would strongly advise certain posters to review their activities on this forum or they will have posting privileges revoked.

Dub13 · 19-02-2008 10:36AM

Yes there have been a lot of 'My army dick is bigger than your army dick..' type of posts over the last while.

Lets all agree that we all have big dicks and move on.Or else the mods will enter with there big mod dicks and start banning people.

Quis Separabit · 19-02-2008 11:28AM

Well lets stick to facts then.

http://www.fianoglach.ie/selection.htm

ARW Selection

There is no age limit for prospective rangers who must undergo a Ranger selection course which takes place annually. According to the Commander age does not count, only physical condition makes the difference. The oldest is 44 and average age is 31. In Timor they mixed the old with the new in a way that made the unit very cohesive. Every year between 40 and 80 candidates arrive and after 4 weeks of a selection course less than 15% remain. These 4 weeks are organised into 2 distinct phases. In phase 1 everybody starts at zero - the instructors showing the basic requirements to become a Ranger, that is to say a special forces soldier. Candidates must also pass a number of physical tests, water confidence training, assault courses training, individual navigation tests as well as an 8 Km combat run test. On average they will get 4/5 hours sleep per night and are put under constant pressure from instructors and the course alike. If a candidate fails more than 3 out of the 9 basic tests he is returned to his home unit. A selection course may only be attempted 3 times by any candidate. The 3rd and 4th weeks consist of long range reconnaissance patrolling which incorporates training as well as testing of personnel. Candidates are taught special forces tactics, reconnaissance and surveillance, intelligence gathering and the achievements such as the search for enemy forces teams and the organisation of ambushes. The course culminates in a 45 Km march which must be completed in a set time. All candidates who successfully complete the Ranger course are presented with the Fianóglach shoulder flash. When it comes to selection the Officers and NCO's meet to assess the candidates. The best are retained according to the number of places available. On average, Officers spend between 3 and 4 years in the unit.

As above states Rangers must can only fail 3 out of 9 of these tests, selection can be attempted 3 times only. Only 15% are successful.

Abseiling - Assesses a student's confidence when working at height
Bridge jump - Tests a student’s confidence in water
River crossing - Evaluates a student’s ability to work in a team
Claustrophobia - Tests a student’s ability to work with his equipment in confined spaces
Gym tests - Tests a students muscular endurance and strength while performing a set number of exercises
10km run - Tests a students cardio-vascular endurance over a set distance and time
Mountain walk - Tests a student’s endurance over a set uphill march, while carrying a medium load
Hill circuit - Tests a students stamina and strength over a set cross-country course, while carrying a light load
Forced march “cross-country” - Tests a student’s stamina and strength over a set cross-country course and time while carrying a medium load
Forced march "road" - A group test to assess the student’s tolerance of pressure over a set course and time, while carrying a medium load
Route march - A group test to assess the students overall stamina, endurance and strength during a forced march over the mountains while carrying a medium load

If a student passes selection they go on to a six month ranger basic skills course where they learn the skills required to be a ranger. The course includes long range recce, unarmed combat in Krav Maga, anti-terrorist and CQB skills, advanced first aid, advanced combat shooting and static line parachuting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Army_Rangers

twinytwo · 19-02-2008 11:34AM

?

uptherebels · 19-02-2008 01:28PM

Quis Separabit wrote: »

Well lets stick to facts then.

http://www.fianoglach.ie/selection.htm

ARW Selection
There is no age limit for prospective rangers who must undergo a Ranger selection course which takes place annually. According to the Commander age does not count, only physical condition makes the difference. The oldest is 44 and average age is 31. In Timor they mixed the old with the new in a way that made the unit very cohesive. Every year between 40 and 80 candidates arrive and after 4 weeks of a selection course less than 15% remain. These 4 weeks are organised into 2 distinct phases. In phase 1 everybody starts at zero - the instructors showing the basic requirements to become a Ranger, that is to say a special forces soldier. Candidates must also pass a number of physical tests, water confidence training, assault courses training, individual navigation tests as well as an 8 Km combat run test. On average they will get 4/5 hours sleep per night and are put under constant pressure from instructors and the course alike. If a candidate fails more than 3 out of the 9 basic tests he is returned to his home unit. A selection course may only be attempted 3 times by any candidate. The 3rd and 4th weeks consist of long range reconnaissance patrolling which incorporates training as well as testing of personnel. Candidates are taught special forces tactics, reconnaissance and surveillance, intelligence gathering and the achievements such as the search for enemy forces teams and the organisation of ambushes. The course culminates in a 45 Km march which must be completed in a set time. All candidates who successfully complete the Ranger course are presented with the Fianóglach shoulder flash. When it comes to selection the Officers and NCO's meet to assess the candidates. The best are retained according to the number of places available. On average, Officers spend between 3 and 4 years in the unit.

As above states Rangers must can only fail 3 out of 9 of these tests, selection can be attempted 3 times only. Only 15% are successful.
Abseiling - Assesses a student's confidence when working at height

Bridge jump - Tests a student’s confidence in water

River crossing - Evaluates a student’s ability to work in a team

Claustrophobia - Tests a student’s ability to work with his equipment in confined spaces

Gym tests - Tests a students muscular endurance and strength while performing a set number of exercises

10km run - Tests a students cardio-vascular endurance over a set distance and time

Mountain walk - Tests a student’s endurance over a set uphill march, while carrying a medium load

Hill circuit - Tests a students stamina and strength over a set cross-country course, while carrying a light load

Forced march “cross-country” - Tests a student’s stamina and strength over a set cross-country course and time while carrying a medium load

Forced march "road" - A group test to assess the student’s tolerance of pressure over a set course and time, while carrying a medium load

Route march - A group test to assess the students overall stamina, endurance and strength during a forced march over the mountains while carrying a medium load

If a student passes selection they go on to a six month ranger basic skills course where they learn the skills required to be a ranger. The course includes long range recce, unarmed combat in Krav Maga, anti-terrorist and CQB skills, advanced first aid, advanced combat shooting and static line parachuting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Army_Rangers

Please not all this crap again and Quis Separabit I wouldnt put to much faith in the "facts"that you find from wikipedia and other unoffical sites

Hagar · 19-02-2008 06:16PM

As far as I can see Quis Seperabit has quoted directly from official sites and pretty well written Wiki entries. So that look like a pretty solid post.

Uptherebels wrote:

Please not all this crap again

That comment earns a weeks holiday for not paying attention to the warnings.

eroo · 19-02-2008 06:32PM

Tbh,this subject has been done to death!Quis/Pathfinder don't take everything you read on the internet as fact,it's like depending on the Star for news!:D

Btw,fianoglach.ie is NOT an official site..and wiki is the bare minimum.With all respect I think everyone is tired of ARW threads..because it makes the forum look walty imo.
Mods,PLEASE shut this thread!It will save you wearing out your banning sticks!!:D

Hagar · 19-02-2008 06:46PM

eroo wrote: »

Btw,fianoglach.ie is NOT an official site..and wiki is the bare minimum.

You cannot get an IE domain without documentary proof of your claim to it. Registrations of Irish domains are very strict.

How do you know it's not an official site? Can you tell me who does own it?

eroo · 19-02-2008 08:37PM

No but it isn't an official DEFENCE FORCES website and as of yet they provide no links to it on their site.

Hagar · 19-02-2008 08:39PM

I've found a name David Hogan connected to the site:does that ring any bells for anybody?

eroo · 19-02-2008 09:48PM

Sorry but I don't know it..

minidazzler · 20-02-2008 12:01AM

Hagar wrote: »

You cannot get an IE domain without documentary proof of your claim to it. Registrations of Irish domains are very strict.

How do you know it's not an official site? Can you tell me who does own it?

As far as I have heard your site only needs a good link to Ireland. as in saying it is a website Dedicated to the Irish DF is enough.

It isnt official.
a) AFAIK the Rangers dont advertise like that.
b) It is not of high enough quality to be official. The DF are good at websites. and this is not a good website.

twinytwo · 21-02-2008 10:26AM

Rangers now gone to chad... 600 miles in the middle of no where..

Covenline · 22-02-2008 10:51AM

heres a dumb question...

can you apply for the ARW from the RDF?:)

Dub13 · 22-02-2008 10:53AM

Covenline wrote: »

heres a dumb question...

can you apply for the ARW from the RDF?:)

No.

Arw selection/training

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