Dunne for captain?

BaZmO* · 14-02-2008 10:42AM

I think it should be taken off Keane because he takes too much stick on account on being captain. Granted somes times it's deserving but a lot of it is excessive an imo only because he's the captain.

The captaincy should always be given to someone who is more or less guaranteed to play the full 90 mins if fit. And as far as we're concerned that'd only be Dunne or Given and as Dunne is already the captain of his club and an outfield player he'd get my vote. (not that my vote counts or anything, but if it did that's who I'd go for!)

LuckyLloyd · 14-02-2008 10:47AM

Wow, this is developing into the silliest thread I've ever seen on this forum. And that's saying something.

shane86 · 17-02-2008 11:28PM

Dunne has been tipped to be captain according to the rumours. You read it here first.

Unless you read the Sunday World today. As I did.

In which case, you didnt read it here first. But hey, tabloids are never wrong :rolleyes:

Positive in my view. Robbie has to stop being guaranteed his game tbh, it has cost us dear already.

btw, what is this craic re what Dunne got up to in his youth, I didnt hear of it myself.

eirebhoy · 17-02-2008 11:43PM

Also Sven has apparently been telling Trap that Dunne is the best centre half in the premiership.

I bet Dunne is in the team of the season this year. I remember he got Sky's motm one year in Old Trafford, Anfield, Highbury and Stamford Bridge. Obviously he didn't get the one against Chelsea this year but has probably been motm in the other 3.

grames_bond · 18-02-2008 12:13AM

shane86 wrote: »

Dunne has been tipped to be captain according to the rumours. You read it here first.

Unless you read the Sunday World today. As I did.

In which case, you didnt read it here first. But hey, tabloids are never wrong :rolleyes:

Positive in my view. Robbie has to stop being guaranteed his game tbh, it has cost us dear already....

i completely agree with this, he's gotten complacent and just underperforms because of it! dunne should rightfully be captain, strikers cant see the game unfold fully, defenders can!

eirebhoy · 18-02-2008 12:15AM

If he was complacent he'd maybe get a bit lazy, wouldn't feel under pressure as much. The opposite is the case for Keane.

grames_bond · 18-02-2008 12:17AM

eirebhoy wrote: »

If he was complacent he'd maybe get a bit lazy, wouldn't feel under pressure as much. The opposite is the case for Keane.

how so? he is lazy, the chap looks like the hamburgler (hah sorry couldnt help it) he doesnt chase the ball ....like he does at spurs even, and when he has his game week in week out he doesnt feel under pressure and therefor becomes complacent!

Xavi6 · 18-02-2008 12:23AM

shane86 wrote: »

btw, what is this craic re what Dunne got up to in his youth, I didnt hear of it myself.

He was a little too fond of his alcoholic beverages. Came to training still half cut more than once. Himself, Nick Weaver and Jim Whitley were apparently notorious around Manchester's party scene at the time. Whitley eventually got sacked cause he went too far and he was on Sky recently talking about his battle with alcohol. Dunne copped on just in time or he would have ended up on the scrap heap as well.

stick-dan · 18-02-2008 01:21AM

I don't know what difference either it wouls make if dunne was made captain. Captaincy should be for those who strive to impress the manager so they may gain the armband. Dunne doesn't need to strive to impress the manager he is great already. An immense leader and a massive presence on the field for ireland and man city. Dunne is indeed very similiar to Carra at liverpool in the sense that he automatically leads even without the armband. It is imo very hard to pick a captain leaving dunne aside. I have always thought that keane was over-rated although in his defence he is having a fine season this year.There is no point giving it to Shay just to keep him away from retiring. Give it to a budding young decent prospect in the team that in time the team will grow to respect and look to in the future. We are building for the future at this stage. Give it to a player like mcGeady although it is hard to determine if he possesses the quality to be a captain. It is a toughie alrite. Suppose it will have to be dunne if we are going for experience...but i would prefer a younger captain for the years to come...

Xavi6 · 18-02-2008 01:30AM

stick-dan wrote: »

I don't know what difference either it wouls make if dunne was made captain. Captaincy should be for those who strive to impress the manager so they may gain the armband. Dunne doesn't need to strive to impress the manager he is great already. An immense leader and a massive presence on the field for ireland and man city. Dunne is indeed very similiar to Carra at liverpool in the sense that he automatically leads even without the armband. It is imo very hard to pick a captain leaving dunne aside. I have always thought that keane was over-rated although in his defence he is having a fine season this year.There is no point giving it to Shay just to keep him away from retiring. Give it to a budding young decent prospect in the team that in time the team will grow to respect and look to in the future. We are building for the future at this stage. Give it to a player like mcGeady although it is hard to determine if he possesses the quality to be a captain. It is a toughie alrite. Suppose it will have to be dunne if we are going for experience...but i would prefer a younger captain for the years to come...

Imagine the uproar amongst the armchairs if that happened. The guy has nothing (at the moment) to suggest he should be given an armband. He's a winger, 21, not very experienced etc. Sure why not give it to Stephen Ireland?

No it has to go to someone who has been around for a long time and knows what it's like to lead a team, especially a struggling one.

stick-dan · 18-02-2008 01:54AM

but young captains are not always a bad thing. I only used mcgeady as an example i know he is not captain material i just couldnt think of a young irish player who is....i just think we need a fresh approach

leninbenjamin · 18-02-2008 02:04AM

stick-dan wrote: »

I don't know what difference either it wouls make if dunne was made captain. Captaincy should be for those who strive to impress the manager so they may gain the armband. Dunne doesn't need to strive to impress the manager he is great already. An immense leader and a massive presence on the field for ireland and man city. Dunne is indeed very similiar to Carra at liverpool in the sense that he automatically leads even without the armband. It is imo very hard to pick a captain leaving dunne aside. I have always thought that keane was over-rated although in his defence he is having a fine season this year.There is no point giving it to Shay just to keep him away from retiring. Give it to a budding young decent prospect in the team that in time the team will grow to respect and look to in the future. We are building for the future at this stage. Give it to a player like mcGeady although it is hard to determine if he possesses the quality to be a captain. It is a toughie alrite. Suppose it will have to be dunne if we are going for experience...but i would prefer a younger captain for the years to come...

that's one of the most illogical posts i've seen on this forum...
i don't think you understand what being a captain involves...

stick-dan · 18-02-2008 02:15AM

nigel reo coker was only 21 and he was captain of west ham...he led them to promotion and also to the FA CUP final. youth and captaincy are not unheard of.

leninbenjamin · 18-02-2008 02:19AM

stick-dan wrote: »

nigel reo coker was only 21 and he was captain of west ham...he led them to promotion and also to the FA CUP final. youth and captaincy are not unheard of.

but you don't captaincy to someone BECAUSE they are young. correlation does not equal causation.

stick-dan · 18-02-2008 02:24AM

but i never said hand it to mcgeady because he was young i clearly said he doesnt have the quality to be captain if you reread my post:D

i am sorry if my point went astrue. I would prefer to see a long term captain is all. I dont like keane as captain and dunne doesn't need the armband he is too good already.Maybe that clears my point up a bit.

Xavi6 · 18-02-2008 02:25AM

stick-dan wrote: »

nigel reo coker was only 21 and he was captain of west ham...he led them to promotion and also to the FA CUP final. youth and captaincy are not unheard of.

Yes and Southgate was in a similar position at Palace around 1994. It definitely does happen. However, there is no young player playing in a prime position that you could tout as a captain for Ireland. You go with the best you have, no matter what their age. Our best is Dunne.

stick-dan · 18-02-2008 02:36AM

yeah i do agree you go with the best i was just saying dunne is as influential as a captain without needing the armband.

Y2J_MUFC · 18-02-2008 08:21PM

Dunne for captain. No doubts....Its as obvious as the fact that Kevin Kilbane is rubbish...

cm2000 · 18-02-2008 08:28PM

Y2J_MUFC wrote: »

Dunne for captain. No doubts....Its as obvious as the fact that Kevin Kilbane is rubbish...

who would you rather at left back than kilbane?

Xavi6 · 18-02-2008 10:52PM

cm2000 wrote: »

who would you rather at left back than kilbane?

I'd rather three at the back. Problem solved.

shane86 · 19-02-2008 12:09AM

Y2J_MUFC wrote: »

Dunne for captain. No doubts....Its as obvious as the fact that Kevin Kilbane is rubbish...

*yawn*

He isnt Ronaldo. He isnt Titus Bramble neither.

What he is is a guy who rescued 4 valuable points for us by way of goals against the Czechs and San Marino. Goals that prevented us slipping to 4th seeders or even worse.

**** El Tel, it seems Sven is already helping Trappa re build our team

Thank the lord for post WC 2006 English managerial xenophobia, otherwise he might still be in the job and couldnt give a toss about Stephen Ireland and Dunne.

Sven to take over when the 76 year old Trappa retires in 2016 with two European champ cups and two apperances in the latter stages of the WC under his belt

Its actually quite odd that Sven actively want his players playing internationally. Yes, it boosts their profile, and potentially their worth on the transfer market, but the likes of Wenger and Fergie often give the impression theyd sooner their players didnt play internationals (friendlies at least). Sven seems to actively want Dunne and Ireland playing against Serbia!

MrJoeSoap · 19-02-2008 12:15AM

cm2000 wrote: »

who would you rather at left back than kilbane?

My love for that man started out as being a touch sarcastic and ironic, but the more I see him the more I actually respect the guy. If only the more talented players on the squad had the passion and commitment he has, then maybe some of them would be challenging him for the position of most experienced and most capped player in the squad.

BaZmO* · 19-02-2008 12:26AM

MrJoeSoap wrote: »

My love for that man started out as being a touch sarcastic and ironic, but the more I see him the more I actually respect the guy. If only the more talented players on the squad had the passion and commitment he has, then maybe some of them would be challenging him for the position of most experienced and most capped player in the squad.

Here here! It's getting a tad boring at this stage listening to people constantly taking the p1ss out of a Kilbane. He's certainly no Zidane but show me another player in the current squad that has given more commitment and passion the Irish team.

People are too quick to give him stick but also too quick to say that modern players lack loyalty and commitment. IMO he has been fantastic servant to his country.

MrJoeSoap · 19-02-2008 12:57AM

BaZmO* wrote: »

Here here! It's getting a tad boring at this stage listening to people constantly taking the p1ss out of a Kilbane. He's certainly no Zidane but show me another player in the current squad that has given more commitment and passion the Irish team.

People are too quick to give him stick but also too quick to say that modern players lack loyalty and commitment. IMO he has been fantastic servant to his country.

Key words there too. He sings the anthem and is as Irish as any player in the squad. I read an interview with him in the Evertonian magazine in his Goodison days (wasn't specifically about Ireland or anything like that) where he was saying how he never felt English and always wore an Ireland jersey growing up. It could have been made to sound like cliched stuff but came across as 100% genuine.

Xavi6 · 19-02-2008 01:00AM

He is definitely an Irish legend alright and a valued member of the squad BUT I don't htink he's an effective left back. Maybe a back three of Dunne, O'Shea and A N Other (Finnan) with Kilbane as a left wing back so he has that bit of cover. Plus most of our best players are midfielders so why not accomodate an extra one?

eirebhoy · 19-02-2008 01:03AM

Do you know when you're walking down the street and you can't whipe a smile off your face? That's Kilbane 24/7.

I love this short clip from before the Brazil match. Everyone's all normal and serious while the usual crazy funny thoughts are going through Kilbane's head.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1SYuFd2Ksw

MrJoeSoap · 19-02-2008 01:18AM

Xavi6 wrote: »

He is definitely an Irish legend alright and a valued member of the squad BUT I don't htink he's an effective left back. Maybe a back three of Dunne, O'Shea and A N Other (Finnan) with Kilbane as a left wing back so he has that bit of cover. Plus most of our best players are midfielders so why not accomodate an extra one?

Don't think there is much chance of Trapattoni playing three at the back. He'll go 4-2-3-1 most of the time, if the past is anything to go by. I can't see Kilbane threatening for a place on the wing, and he has done reasonably well at the back so far. He has certainly done well enough to convince me that he deserves a shot. I can't really see much of an alternative, considering that I'd play O'Shea at the back with Dunne, and Kelly right back. Unless Andy O'Brien comes back that is.

Xavi6 · 19-02-2008 01:25AM

MrJoeSoap wrote: »

Don't think there is much chance of Trapattoni playing three at the back. He'll go 4-2-3-1 most of the time, if the past is anything to go by. I can't see Kilbane threatening for a place on the wing, and he has done reasonably well at the back so far. He has certainly done well enough to convince me that he deserves a shot. I can't really see much of an alternative, considering that I'd play O'Shea at the back with Dunne, and Kelly right back. Unless Andy O'Brien comes back that is.

Yeah i agree that those will probably be Trap's tactics alright, it's just a shame we're so short on defenders at the moment. I suppose Kilbane at left back is a better option than McShane at centre half so I'm happy to go with it.

eirebhoy · 19-02-2008 09:30AM

McShane-Dunne for me is a very good partnership imo. Poor McShane's getting a very raw deal. Andy O'Brien had nothnig less than a top class partnership with Cunningham. Put him beside O'Shea and he looks absolutely terrible. The difference is O'Brien shouldn't have to rely on someone to move him into the right positions. McShane is still very young and like a lot of centre halves that age needs an experienced guy beside him.

BaZmO* · 19-02-2008 10:20AM

eirebhoy wrote: »

Everyone's all normal and serious while the usual crazy funny thoughts are going through Kilbane's head.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1SYuFd2Ksw

He was probably thinking about the time his shorts fell down!

The other thing about Kilbane is that he can be played in several positions so as a utility player he should always be in the squad. He's also got a wealth of experience.

eirebhoy wrote:

McShane-Dunne for me is a very good partnership imo. Poor McShane's getting a very raw deal. Andy O'Brien had nothnig less than a top class partnership with Cunningham. Put him beside O'Shea and he looks absolutely terrible. The difference is O'Brien shouldn't have to rely on someone to move him into the right positions. McShane is still very young and like a lot of centre halves that age needs an experienced guy beside him.

I agree, the O'Brien/Cunnigham partnership was class. Their clean sheet record was actually quite surprising. I think in time McShane would come good with Dunne as his partner. What he lacks in pace and experience would certainly be made up by Dunne.

Dunne for captain?

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