McGeady can't cross

A Dub in Glasgo · 14-02-2008 11:11PM

You're having a laugh?

Take those bloody blinkers off

Dub13 · 14-02-2008 11:19PM

If McGeady does become the player alot of people think he can do followers of the SPL think he can stay in Scotland or will he have to move on...?

eirebhoy · 14-02-2008 11:25PM

PHB wrote: »

Maloney ripped it up in the SPL, but is only now starting to find his feet in the premiership.

Can't agree with that. He never looked out of his depth when I saw him at Villa. Playing on the right restricted him an awful lot but his pass success rate is top notch. O'Neill has finally given him a chance on the left though. I love Maloney. He's gonna be class for Villa if MON keeps the faith.

A Dub in Glasgo · 14-02-2008 11:30PM

Dub13 wrote: »

If McGeady does become the player alot of people think he can do followers of the SPL think he can stay in Scotland or will he have to move on...?

He will probably move on because

1. He will be offered **** loads of money especially in the money laden EPL
2. Celtic will be offered **** loads of money especially from clubs in the money laden EPL

He will not have to move on to the EPL just to prove that he can cut it. That is just arrogant blinkered nonsense.

ziggy · 15-02-2008 12:41AM

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PHB · 15-02-2008 12:52AM

Moving to Sunderland means at least 10 times a year, he will go up against a top top class defence. That's in comparison to barely once in the SPL, and then whatever happens in Europe.

GuanYin · 15-02-2008 12:55AM

I don't think McGeady is the bees knees. I agree with PHB, he's very up and down. He can look incredible one minute and like a schoolboy the next. I'm not (Eirebhoy) saying he is not an intelligent player, I am saying that he needs to mature and he needs to learn to lose a few of his more schoolboy error traits (like taking too many touches, not looking up sooner and trying too many tricks).

So yeah, he's very inconsistant and up and down and as such, I don't think he's as good as people are touting. Will he become *that* good? I do see similarities in his strengths and his flaws with another young player who, several years ago was said to be inconsistant and immature.... he's currently the star player at Man United.... so who knows.

Eirebear · 15-02-2008 01:54AM

PHB wrote: »

Moving to Sunderland means at least 10 times a year, he will go up against a top top class defence. That's in comparison to barely once in the SPL, and then whatever happens in Europe.

That is of course if Sunderland manage to stay in the premiership.
Lets do the math here.
lets say each of the top 6 in england are "top class" defences. Thats 12 games, add in a couple of cup games if you want, thats 14.
Lets give Rangers the benefit of being the only other team in Scotland that has a "top class" defence, thats 4 games, and well give them 1 cup game that makes 5.
now, give Celtic at least 6 champions league games, that takes us up to 11.

And even then, he may be coming up against top clas defenders, but how much of a chance is he going to have when playing for a team who are under the cosh for 90 percent of the game?

The only reason any young player really has for going to the exagerated premier league is exposure, and money.
He can win things at Celtic (or at least challenge

) and is pretty much guarenteed european football every year.....or he could sign for sunderland and fight relegation every year and will be seen as a "luxury" player while keanos journeymen fight for their lifes...

PHB · 15-02-2008 02:04AM

Except, he'll never be at a top 4 club if he stays at Celtic. Miller ruined that for all of them. Maybe Brown has a shot at it, maybe, but I doubt it.
If he ever wants to be at one of the top clubs in the world, which he does, he has to move to the premiership.

As for your 11, Rangers defence is nowhere near as good as the top 5, incl. Everton, then maybe maybe it's on par with Villa, City, Portsmouth, West Ham, Spurs, maybe.
Then again, I don't think it is.

As for the idea that Sunderland isn't better, that they are under the cosh, that's what needed. If he can't hack it there, he's not good enough. Young was good enough to do it there, as was Pennant, as was Richardson. If McGeady can't hack it there, he'll never be good enough.

Eirebear · 15-02-2008 02:15AM

Pure utter arrogance, i find it amazing how much people fall for the hype about the english league i really do.
To suggest that Sunderland is a step up from Celtic is nothing short of laughable.

Just take a look at Aberdeens result tonight against Bayern, yes it was a one off, but could you see Villa, or Bolton or any of your other non-descript middle of the road Premiership teams pulling that off? Let alone Sunderland.

And Miller ruined it for scottish players? So your trying to say now that because Alex Ferguson made a mistake on one young scottish player, that nobody will ever sign a scottish player again? Thats crazy talk.

You say Brown may have a chance, well for me that shows how much you actually know about scottish football because i would say McGeady is having a far more successful season than Brown, who has been extremely inconsistant since the early parts of the season.

Im not denying that the EPL package as a whole isnt better than the SPL, but that doesnt automatically make every player in it better than the best of the SPL, especially when your talking teams like sunderland.

PHB · 15-02-2008 02:28AM

Just take a look at Aberdeens result tonight against Bayern, yes it was a one off, but could you see Villa, or Bolton or any of your other non-descript middle of the road Premiership teams pulling that off? Let alone Sunderland.

Bolton beat Atletico Madrid 1-0 tonight.

People are still gona buy SPL players, I'd just be very surprised if a top 4 club did it any time soon.

I'm not saying McGeady can't make it, i'm saying he'll never reach a high enough level if he doesn't move on. Just like Van Nist would never have stepped up to that higher level unless he moved out of Holland to United then to Real. It's how football works.

There is a balance to be had when you should move. Go too early and it might not work out, go too late and it won't work out.

Eirebear · 15-02-2008 02:36AM

PHB wrote: »

I'm not saying McGeady can't make it, i'm saying he'll never reach a high enough level if he doesn't move on. Just like Van Nist would never have stepped up to that higher level unless he moved out of Holland to United then to Real. It's how football works.
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But Van Nistelrooy took a step up when he moved to Utd, going to sunderland from Celtic isnt a step up in my eyes.
To take a step up by leaving celtic and going to what is percieved as a better league he would still need to be going to a team who are at least there or thereabouts when it comes to challenging for trophies.

Spurs, everton, villa wouldnt be bad choices in terms of a completely objective point of view, (this is where my bias kicks in) when you play for a club like rangers or celtic you really need to be looking at top four or everything is a step down in terms of "stature".

EDIT: good result for bolton though!

PHB · 15-02-2008 02:40AM

Except McGeady isn't anywhere near Van Nist's class.
Sunderland I think will stay up, and I think will have good investment, and I think will continue on the up.

That said, obviously Spurs, Everton and Villa would be better places than Sunderland. Celtic and Rangers in my view are at about the level of challenging for the UEFA Cup, not quite Everton's or Spurs standard, but Villa/Portsmouth/Blackburn standards.

Eirebear · 15-02-2008 02:51AM

PHB wrote: »

Except McGeady isn't anywhere near Van Nist's class.
Sunderland I think will stay up, and I think will have good investment, and I think will continue on the up.

That said, obviously Spurs, Everton and Villa would be better places than Sunderland. Celtic and Rangers in my view are at about the level of challenging for the UEFA Cup, not quite Everton's or Spurs standard, but Villa/Portsmouth/Blackburn standards.

You wouldnt think that if you read the scottish press!v:p;)

As for the level of clubs, as i say i think our own Bias tends to mean we could argue the ins and outs of that all night, but i still stand by what i say in terms of stature, and prestige. Mikel Arteta said recently that he wishes he had never left Rangers and i reckon he would get a game for any of the top four.

Mitch Connor · 15-02-2008 08:40AM

Eirebear wrote: »

Just take a look at Aberdeens result tonight against Bayern, yes it was a one off, but could you see Villa, or Bolton or any of your other non-descript middle of the road Premiership teams pulling that off? Let alone Sunderland.

PHB wrote: »

Bolton beat Atletico Madrid 1-0 tonight.

http://www.bwfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/Fixtures/0,,1004,00.html

And they drew 2-2 with Bayern, away.

A Dub in Glasgo · 15-02-2008 08:41AM

PHB wrote: »

I'm not saying McGeady can't make it, i'm saying he'll never reach a high enough level if he doesn't move on. Just like Van Nist would never have stepped up to that higher level unless he moved out of Holland to United then to Real. It's how football works.

or Larsson from Feyenoord to Celtic to his end of career sojourn at Barcelona and MU

I have heard it all before from those that believe football = the EPL

eirebhoy · 15-02-2008 09:28AM

Eirebear wrote: »

As for the level of clubs, as i say i think our own Bias tends to mean we could argue the ins and outs of that all night, but i still stand by what i say in terms of stature, and prestige. Mikel Arteta said recently that he wishes he had never left Rangers and i reckon he would get a game for any of the top four.

Arteta couldn't hack the SPL and I honestly believe he'd look less classy than he does now if he joined Rangers or Celtic tomorrow. I doubt there's a tougher league in the world for a playmaker to play than the SPL. I can only imagine Naka playing for the likes of Man Utd or Spurs. At Celtic he's double marked. At Reggina he was defending for most of the games.

And when I say playmaker I don't include the likes of Maloney. He's an attacking wide player. As is McGeady currently. He's going to be a playmaker though so no better place to learn your trade, especially under the coaching of Strachan (that's the crucial bit actually). He'll then find it much easier when he moves to one of the top leagues.

Actually, look at Spain at Windsor Park. They could play that game 10 times over and they'd struggle because they're a team of playmakers. That's exactly the type of teams Celtic come up against away from home bar the odd exception (Hibs, Falkirk).

ziggy · 15-02-2008 01:08PM

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OhNoYouDidn't · 15-02-2008 04:10PM

this thread is hilarious.

Sunderland a step up from Celtic.

Keep the Friday frivolity coming.

There is not one Sunderland player who would make the Celtic XI.

Nalz · 15-02-2008 04:13PM

PHB wrote: »

Except McGeady isn't anywhere near Van Nist's class.

and he never will be. He's an average frustrating player at the minute, and will over improve so much over the next few years. Has the potential still to be a very good player, but alot of work is needed.

eirebhoy · 15-02-2008 07:56PM

Kerr:

"Aiden is a Celtic fan and a Celtic kid, so you can see him staying there for the rest of his career.

"He wants to stay and if the lad enjoys the environment and playing regularly then he might be happy enough.

"We are seeing a lot more of him for Celtic in Europe and his league performances have been exceptional.

"He was outstanding again last Sunday and also showed how good he was when he played against Brazil for Ireland last week.

"But when a player is with a Scottish club it is sometimes hard to measure just how good he is.

"It is only in the Champions League and international matches that you can really judge them.

"That is because the league in Scotland is not competitive enough on a regular basis.

"Although Larsson is hugely admired outside of Britain, a lot of that was based on his performances in international football and in European games at club level.

"Aiden just has to keep his head down and keep doing well for Celtic in Europe and for Ireland.

"That is enough at the moment because he is still young. Who knows where he can go in the future but he may have to leave Scotland to make a bigger name for himself.

"Aiden has come of age. He was quite young when he broke into the first team at Celtic and when he was first capped.

"Some of it is natural progression but there is a lot of pressure on him playing in the Celtic first team at his age, particularly when there was controversy surrounding him playing for Ireland.

"But he has handled that very well. He is a strong character. He is tough mentally and is toughening up physically which is helping him.

"Aiden is also becoming more consistent on a week in, week out basis. I knew he had the attitude to ignore other people and make a name for himself. He had to show that kind of character very early on when he chose Ireland over Scotland.

"I had dealings with him when he was 16 and 17 and he was very determined about what he wanted to do.

"I never had any doubts he was going to be a top, top player.

"Some of the criticism he got was off the wall and from people who didn't understand he was still a very young lad.

"He is still only 21 and is blossoming into a real player.

"Aiden had a great love for the game as a kid and he still does. He always wanted to train and loved doing it.

"He works hard at the game and loves watching matches which will have helped him.

"He is maturing as a player and his decision-making has improved. He knows when to release the ball and when to stay on it.

"The fact he has got physically stronger has helped him to be a bit more confident and to bring the required consistency into his game. I never had any doubts he would mature into a fine player.

"I gave him very little time on the pitch but that was only because he was so young.

"He was waiting on that physical development and maturity to come. Now it's there he has the world at his feet."

A Dub in Glasgo · 15-02-2008 08:30PM

Is this the same Kerr that never gave McGeady a chance when he was boss? Unleashed??

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football-news/scottish-football/2008/02/15/quit-celtic-and-become-a-superstar-aiden-mcgeady-advised-86908-20320210/

eirebhoy · 15-02-2008 09:21PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Is this the same Kerr that never gave McGeady a chance when he was boss?

That's the one. And there's a reason I didn't post that article. I can't stand that bloody rag and their stupid headlines.

I don't see anything wrong in what Kerr said. I do see a lot wrong in the headline.

Kerr's incredibly knowledgeable and it annoys me to read a paper like that make him out to be anti Celtic or anti SPL when he watches more Scottish football than the vast majority of people in Ireland.

eirebhoy · 16-02-2008 04:20PM

McGeady sets up Vennegoor for Celtic's first goal with a cross with his left from the edge of the box.

eirebhoy · 16-02-2008 05:43PM

He set up Celtic's 3rd with a nice little inside pass for Hinkel. His 13th assist of the season.

Xavi6 · 17-02-2008 09:32AM

BBC gossip column today has him linked to us -

Manchester City boss Sven-Goran Eriksson is eyeing up Celtic midfielder Aiden McGeady. (News of the World)

eirebhoy · 17-02-2008 01:00PM

City have been linked with him all season. Should be interesting.

estebancambias · 17-02-2008 01:24PM

eirebhoy you must say if England is McGeady's option, and he can't get into any of the 'Big Four'(bar perhaps Liverpool) at the moment, surely Man City would be a good option.

BaZmO* · 21-02-2008 11:21AM

Only watched the highlights last night but he seemed to have a good game. Gave Puyol a torrid time.
Plus an assist and was instrumental in the other goal.
Pity Celtic won't be going any further in the competition. I reckon they'll be a few clubs coming a knocking at his door soon enough.

s_carnage · 21-02-2008 11:34AM

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Drop Keane from that front line and stick in Doyle and you are on to a winner..

Oh yeah, McGeady can only run with the ball it seems. He can't actually kick it at all.

Now that is just daft. Keane who is one of the best strikers in the premiership dropped for Doyle!!! It'd be like dropping Dunne for McShane.

McGeady can't cross

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