Student Players Vote Please

Theresalwaysone · 16-02-2008 01:45AM

Aim advertising primarily at students but don't be too pernickerty.

carfax wrote: »

if at the end of the poll that is the result we will happily and diligently put the tournament together with that format and I'm sure we can still make it a success (a full house).

carfax wrote: »

Check that every player has a valid student ID (smaller prize-pool very likely)

Ah here. WTF is going on?

Jesus Wept · 16-02-2008 01:51AM

non students are ppl's too.

bohsman · 16-02-2008 02:01AM

Theresalwaysone wrote: »

Ah here. WTF is going on?

Think about it, a €7 reg fee can work if they can get 300 runners or whatever, if they have to cut some of their potential market out Id say the only alternative would be a bigger reg. By my estimate he needs 150 runners just to pay for the Regency for one day.

Theresalwaysone · 16-02-2008 02:17AM

Aim advertising primarily at students but don't be too pernickerty.

bohsman wrote: »

Think about it, a €7 reg fee can work if they can get 300 runners or whatever, if they have to cut some of their potential market out Id say the only alternative would be a bigger reg. By my estimate he needs 150 runners just to pay for the Regency for one day.

Thats not what I was querying, its the inconsistancies. Its hard to know what exactly Stephen is aiming for sometimes. If this is a profit driven excercise for his business(which it should be) then by all means accept everyone but dont call it the student champioships. If this is for the good of Irish poker as a whole (which I dont think needs saving) then by all means accept everyone.

If this is for students to come into the game at a more serious level then keep it to students. if this is for the good of student poker in Ireland then surely a student only event is paramount. It really is very simple.

Its all a tad confusing just what this tournament is, and who it is catering for. I know that the coming days and this polll should clear this up but at the moment,again, its all a bit in the air.

Anyway, this has all been said before.

maximusdecimus · 16-02-2008 02:33AM

I think it should be run just like last year,

A decent field, with a decent structure,played in good spirits and the fact that a proportion of the field wernt students didnt bother me, infact playing against some of the more familier faces on the scene was the most enjoyable.

It was a great day and a thourally enjoyable experience.

Id rather a bigger field with a bigger prize pool ahead of just strictly students.

I was a student then as i am still now so either way i will be playing,

Although i suppose it discredits the name of the tournament if the leniant view is chosen but if i was victorious over a field of 400 the fact that they were students or not wouldnt bother me in the slightest!!

G-Spotters · 16-02-2008 01:01PM

Come on fellas, open it up to u25s. Like a lot of graduates, i am forced to get a bit of experience before goin back to college, so technically not a registered student, but im always hungry and poor so what matters most!? And the prizepool is goin to be measley, i know people from the west wont bother travelling all the way to de big durty smoke if there isnt a cash reward.

phantom_lord · 16-02-2008 02:08PM

Aim advertising primarily at students but don't be too pernickerty.

Theresalwaysone wrote: »

Whamo. Nail on head. I couldnt agree more. BUT we are also the demographic with possibly the biggest disposable income, if you can market in a way that convinces most students to get out of their home games and play this then you can't but win.

Get online micro stakes satellites. Give info to student players on how to run their own satellites.

Run, some student friendly satellites in the jackpot or whatnot. I know most students will have the income for this but if you start running "NSPC Satellites " if nothing else it gets the name out there and also students are very sheep like in that, if they see their mates qualify or buy in they are likely to do it themselves.

huh?

I don't actually get why you're aiming this at students tbh, assuming it's like last time where you hope to make your money from an affliate deal, why would you bother signing up busto students who are gonna rake very very little?

Legend_DIT · 16-02-2008 04:07PM

Why did this discussion not come about last time?

Didn't Steven use the exact same criteria then as he planned to this year?

boba_fett3099 · 16-02-2008 05:03PM

Aim advertising primarily at students but don't be too pernickerty.

Students only. I think the majority has spoken. End of.

Goodluck2me · 16-02-2008 06:40PM

Aim advertising primarily at students but don't be too pernickerty.

Legend_DIT wrote: »

Why did this discussion not come about last time?

Didn't Steven use the exact same criteria then as he planned to this year?

because everyone last year presumed as per the title that it would be students only, and a no. of people were disappointed that it wasnt.

LABLHEAD · 16-02-2008 07:01PM

why are so many students afraid of a big field, and afraid of playing against people who arent students?? The bigger the tournament is, the more fun it will be for everyone... Its guna attract mainly young people so whats the difference if theyre in college or not?

The Clamper · 16-02-2008 07:34PM

i would have thought that the students would want to beat up the dinosaurs

its students i fear most at a table, they are usually fearless and have more stamina for the long haul big starting stack events and generally more mentally alert / fit

they wont let me play this one, the last time i was a student of anything was 1974 and i wasnt even a good one then, most of my school days were spent playing golf or snooker

i have been fortunate enough and done ok, i can only imagine how well i would have done if i had actually studied

but then all the benefits of youth are wasted on the young

LABLHEAD · 16-02-2008 08:13PM

it should be up to the people who are organising the tournament in the first place anyways

carfax · 16-02-2008 08:17PM

LABLHEAD wrote: »

it should be up to the people who are organising the tournament in the first place anyways

It is but we have to cater to our player's needs, we've said that we are going to go with what the majority want on this one.....

My worry is (in terms of achieving the field of 400 players) that the likes of your gang won't travel if one or two of the group aren't allowed to play.....However, when the majority speaks at the end of the poll (its only open 'til Monday) we will be going with whatever decision is reached.

Theresalwaysone · 16-02-2008 08:37PM

Aim advertising primarily at students but don't be too pernickerty.

LABLHEAD wrote: »

why are so many students afraid of a big field, and afraid of playing against people who arent students?? The bigger the tournament is, the more fun it will be for everyone... Its guna attract mainly young people so whats the difference if theyre in college or not?

I think "afraid" is entirely the wrong word here. It has nothing to do with fear.

Also, the bigger it is does not make it more enjoyable. In fact, I think Pker Tourneys suffer from Diminishing returns.

The better the structure it is, makes it a more enjoyable tourney.

Also, in reply to Phantoms quoting of my "students have more disposable income". I think its true, a lot of the value live is from drunk students who have cash to gamble. Myself included. Also, Poker is a huge game within most if not all of the universities around Ireland.

I do think tho, that convincing students with dough to break out of their homegames and play this should be TOP TOP priority.

carfax · 16-02-2008 08:46PM

Theresalwaysone wrote: »

I do think tho, that convincing students with dough to break out of their homegames and play this should be TOP TOP priority.

It is seriously....I've been emailing and have not received a response from the vast majority of colleges so far, but that has not perturbed us in the past and this promo campaign will be no different.

Flyers, posters and badges will be posted to every college in the country next week and there are a lot of poker clubs that have already volunteered to run satellites on their student nights.

TommyGunne · 16-02-2008 09:23PM

Aim advertising primarily at students but don't be too pernickerty.

carfax wrote: »

I think you may not have read any of the posts that I have written up with regard to what you are talking about here.....I'm done talking about this now.

Completely out of context, and taken way too literally.

I'd love these to be a success too, as it is a good idea, and am not criticising, but only lending a view, which students were asked to do in this thread.

I wouldn't particularly be bothered about the prize fund, as I is a cash donk and am just added value myself, but I just think to have the winner being able to say that he/she is the National Student Poker Champion if the event is open is akin to saying the winner of the Jackpot €20 claiming the same.

The outcome doesn't really bother me too much, as it will very unlikely affect me!

carfax · 17-02-2008 12:26PM

Come on guys please get the word out to anyone you know that is interested in playing in this tournament.....Ask them to vote today.

It will make the decision a lot easier for us if it is not as close as it is right now (quite a few votes from non-students for both options).

LABLHEAD · 17-02-2008 02:33PM

carfax wrote: »

It is but we have to cater to our player's needs, we've said that we are going to go with what the majority want on this one.....

My worry is (in terms of achieving the field of 400 players) that the likes of your gang won't travel if one or two of the group aren't allowed to play.....However, when the majority speaks at the end of the poll (its only open 'til Monday) we will be going with whatever decision is reached.

Yeah I think that will be a big problem, cutting out people without student cards will lead to lots of people not going if theyr friends cant.... Its different for people who live in Dublin like, students there will go anyway, coz its not a big effort for them, but people arent going to travel up in 2s and 3s if theyre friends who they normally play with cant go, they just wont bother.
I think alot of the people voting on this arent considering that aspect....

Ace2007 · 17-02-2008 02:44PM

Aim advertising primarily at students but don't be too pernickerty.

This is turning into an absolute joke stephen - you called in the NSPC for the simple reason it was aimed towards students, no point letting everyone play - thats like saying paddypower will open up the ladies only event to everyone as it will create a bigger field and hence a bigger prize pool.

Slash/ED · 17-02-2008 02:44PM

I'd go with b, but I don't mean take the p-ss, just allow people who were maybe a student last year or something to play. Show a bit of leanency but keep it mainly student based. If this is too hard to enforce (Grey areas generally are, I suppose) it might be safer just going with A.

carfax · 17-02-2008 04:53PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

This is turning into an absolute joke stephen - you called in the NSPC for the simple reason it was aimed towards students, no point letting everyone play - thats like saying paddypower will open up the ladies only event to everyone as it will create a bigger field and hence a bigger prize pool.

I don't think you've really been paying attention to what I have been saying.....When was it ever stated (by me) that this tournament is open to all. It is aimed towards students whether you choose option A or option B.....Seriously, how do you guys get to sit exams and get these pieces of paper that say you are intelligent and go on to get all these top jobs in these big companies when you have a really hard time listening to what is being said/ posted.

As far as calling this a joke what you you have done if you were in my shoes?, bearing in mind what I have typed below in response to Slash/ED.
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I don't think a lot of organisers would have gone to the lengths that we have to ensure that player's have a say in the way the tournament is run so I hope you all can appreciate that.

Slash/ED wrote: »

I'd go with b, but I don't mean take the p-ss, just allow people who were maybe a student last year or something to play. Show a bit of leanency but keep it mainly student based. If this is too hard to enforce (Grey areas generally are, I suppose) it might be safer just going with A.

Thats how this whole problem arose.....People that just graduated, on a year out etc etc etc all emailing 12 times a day wondering if they can play or if a small exception could be made. To be honest I'm fairly fed up with this whole debacle as it is.....

Unless there is a huge change in the vote by tomorrow it will be Option A (even though right now, Option B does have the majority of student votes, as far as I can tell).....I was confident that we could organise the tournament to everyone's satisfaction with Option B but its just not worth all this back and forth with people that either can't seem to follow the guidelines that I would have liked to have set out or don't have confidence in our ability to do same.....We just have to have it black and white as per option A.

Ace2007 · 17-02-2008 05:02PM

Aim advertising primarily at students but don't be too pernickerty.

stephen - if i had graduated from college last year - then i'm not a student -so obv i shouldn't be allowed play - u wonder how i have a bit of paper say i'm intelligent - ur the one thats callin it the NSPC but potential going to let lettting someone who is no longer a student take part.

DONK! · 17-02-2008 05:06PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

stephen - if i had graduated from college last year - then i'm not a student -so obv i shouldn't be allowed play - u wonder how i have a bit of paper say i'm intelligent - ur the one thats callin it the NSPC but potential going to let lettting someone who is no longer a student take part.

grow up.

TommyGunne · 17-02-2008 05:16PM

Aim advertising primarily at students but don't be too pernickerty.

Forget the chicken and the egg this all comes back to the age old argument of which race the transexual can run in.

carfax · 17-02-2008 05:21PM

TommyGunne wrote: »

Forget the chicken and the egg this all comes back to the age old argument of which race the transexual can run in.

lmfao

Ace2007 · 17-02-2008 05:26PM

Aim advertising primarily at students but don't be too pernickerty.

DONK! wrote: »

grow up.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but stephen asked for people's opinions and i gave mine and backed it up with example of why etc. I know other boards.ie posters who have said to be that they also think it is a joke calling it the NSPC but letting people who are no longer students play.

Its not that hard to ask people to show a valid student card if they want to play.

DONK! · 17-02-2008 05:32PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

Correct me if i'm wrong, but stephen asked for people's opinions and i gave mine and backed it up with example of why etc. I know other boards.ie posters who have said to be that they also think it is a joke calling it the NSPC but letting people who are no longer students play.

Its not that hard to ask people to show a valid student card if they want to play.

in sorry.

But Stephen hasn't done anything yet.Hes put the idea out there and this poll will decide.and is it a joke to run the best possible tournament??? thats all hes trying to do

Ace2007 · 17-02-2008 05:48PM

Aim advertising primarily at students but don't be too pernickerty.

He's got a sponsor - in which case - i assume he would have had to tell the sponor something - as in what type of tournament it would be? he's booked the hotel, he has got the flyers done up - so basically he's done nearly everything bar sign up the players. He's asking for people on boards to do a poll - but how is he to judge who is a student when doin the poll, for example - carfax(stephen why vote?), the clamper(stated in this thread he's not a student),marq(obv not a student), JimmytheGap and hugochavez appear to just have joined to do the poll, have all voted for option B - now i doubt stephen as much as i do knows wheater or not these 2 are students or not. Equally there are votes for option A which may not be from students.

DONK! · 17-02-2008 05:53PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

He's got a sponsor - in which case - i assume he would have had to tell the sponor something - as in what type of tournament it would be? he's booked the hotel, he has got the flyers done up - so basically he's done nearly everything bar sign up the players. He's asking for people on boards to do a poll - but how is he to judge who is a student when doin the poll, for example - carfax(stephen why vote?), the clamper(stated in this thread he's not a student),marq(obv not a student), JimmytheGap and hugochavez appear to just have joined to do the poll, have all voted for option B - now i doubt stephen as much as i do knows wheater or not these 2 are students or not. Equally there are votes for option A which may not be from students.

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