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Fat People OverEating or genetic

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  • #32
    star-pants
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,429 ✭✭✭✭star-pants


    Btw just like to point out I wasn't being smug about my weight, I had thought this was a jokey ish thread. (Being AH and all).

    On a more serious view - I'm just over 8 stone but I'm not fit. I walk alot and do very light exercises (restricted by joint problems - this is fact). I'm ok but either average or below. I tend to snack (I don't mean on sweets etc I mean I pick at my food) throughout the day, this may keep my metabolism up. Also I'm not into big meals, I just can't eat them. I can't eat bread and items like that, because I can't digest them properly. I don't drink a lot, and I don't eat much meat, but I do like my fruit.
    I have a friend who can eat like a horse and not put a PICK on - but her dad and her brothers are like that too. (I mean mostly healthy eating but still, 3 meals a day and snacks etc, and maybe a daily walk).

    Most cases are individual, you can have people that eat just the right amounts, and exercise a lot and still not get anywhere fast. I went travelling with a friend and ended up eating the way she did and boy did I put on weight fast. Some people might not be attacking it in the correct way, like over dieting and the second you stop your body puts the weight back on. You have to find what's right for your body.


  • #33
    Peared
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭Peared


    Whole different ball game discussing weight here as opposed to the ladies lounge.

    Whole different ball game.


  • #34
    Lux23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭Lux23


    Dragan wrote: »
    Bah freaking hum bug! :D

    Sure, you might be predisposed to storing more fat than other people but the only way to do that is to eat more than you need.


    Is that not what I said?


  • #35
    prendy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,321 ✭✭✭prendy


    its all down to dicipline and will power for most people.
    a girl i know has put on alot of weight lately entirely due to her diet...fast food at least 3-4 times a week.
    she tried a crash diet but only stuck it out for a day.
    in cases like this its lazyness.


  • #36
    Archeron
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,822 ✭✭✭Archeron


    Inside every fat person is a thin person trying to get out.




    .
    (Because they've just eaten one).


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  • #37
    rubadub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    Portion size is peoples problem, most do not weigh foods, they might eyeball it. Say you aim for 2500kcal a day, if each meal you eyeball is just 5% more than it should be then you can expect to put on 1 stone of fat per year.
    It's the same as the whole "people who can eat whatever they want" thing. It's total rubbish. In my entire life i have never seen ONE of these people eat an amount of food that actually impressed me.
    Exactly. I know a runt of a lad who attacks food, so people think he eats a lot, but he eats maybe twice a day, and throws a lot out. That is another point, people tossing out food and eating off other peoples plates. I knew 2 girls in work who spewed the whole fast/slow metabolism saying they ate the same. Then you sit at lunch, one eats 70% of her food, the other eats 100+30% the other doesnt touch, so she is on nearly twice as many calories right there.

    If you have a medical condition or are on certain medication that is slowing your metabolism then you simply have to adjust your calories accordingly. If you have a SUV and switch to a mini you do not put the same petrol in each week. People have far more cop-on about how much fuel to put in their cars, yet will put any auld crap in their bodies to fuel them, and be oblivious about how much they need.

    Work it out here
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=50956807&postcount=4
    If you weigh your food and calculated EVERYTHING including drink, tea & sugar, and you still put on wieght then you could well have a fast metabolism, so adjust accordingly. You should really be pleased that your body is so efficient with its food, most view it negatively though.


  • #38
    Baudelaire
    Closed Accounts Posts: 382 ✭✭Baudelaire


    MooseJam wrote: »
    I hope your a bird

    An 8 stone bird is going to find it pretty hard to get off the ground so it'd better be a quick f*cking runner!

    Sorry but all this "It's genetics/it's a medical condition" is a load of b*llox, if you don't want to be over weight then stop eating crap and do some excercise, it's not genetics it's chips, simple as!


  • #39
    Dragan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    Lux23 wrote: »
    Is that not what I said?

    Sorry! Didn#t actually mean to quote anyone at all there....more of a general statement type dealy!

    My bad! :o


  • #40
    briantwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 505 ✭✭✭briantwin


    I know a girl i used to work with always said she had a medical condition and thats why she was 17 stone. Then her wedding was coming up and her husband to be and her went on a diet together. She kept stuffing her face and didn't lose a pound. It got to the point where he said it wasn't fair he'd worked so hard, she maintained it was medical. Her fella asked me did i notice was she eating any healthier ( i worked in the kitchen of the place we worked together.) I didnt want to stir sh*t so i said i didn't know. But i knew she hadn't changed her eating habits at all, double portions for dinner and 2 desserts etc. So he gave her an ultimatum to try harder or postpone the wedding (he'd found out she was still stuffing her face and not giving the diet a chance). She tried harder, exercised every day and ate healthily, the weight flew off her. She got married on the original date and looked really well. She even admitted that her medical reasons for being large were all lies, and that her over eating was the reason for it. i bumped into about a year ago, still had the weight off and looked amazing, seriously! (she used to be an utter swamp donkey, but she looked confident and happier in herself.)


  • #41
    seraphimvc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,358 ✭✭✭seraphimvc


    there are many actual reports said that fat is in your gene!*especially for US citizens...*

    but for many people i know(including meself),no matter how much they eat,they are still skinny like they do lots of exercise!(i prefer the term 'fit').

    so i prefer the gene thingy...makes me proud of my blood!thanks ma!


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  • #42
    LouOB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,181 ✭✭✭LouOB


    I think its both - I personally have underactive metabolism and had to work for YEARS to shift weight. My sisters are both petite and one eats like a horse. I know by the time she turns 40 her health will be dire.
    People who are overweight are fine until middle age when all the sympthoms will pop up eg diabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure etc and will be too late to reverse years of bad habbits. My own father has high blood pressure from poor lifestyle and heart problems run in the family. By my healthy eating I am hoping to delay my genes, but under no illusion as it runs in the family.
    If a heavily overweight person wants to eat 2 double whoppers fine - but dont expect me to fork out my VAT on their ill health.


  • #43
    Sleepy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 25,006 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    It's society's fault.




    The same society which accepts no personal responsibility for anything.

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  • #44
    GhostInTheRuins
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    It works both ways I suppose. Up till about this time last year I used to shift an ungodly amount of food and could never put on weight. I used to eat twich as much as everyone else but still be underweight. Then all of a sudden my appetite just dissapeared, I was eating much less but I started putting on weight at the same time too, which was just crazy. I've kind of managed to balance it out now though.

    The woman the OP was talking about is just a greedy pig though.


  • #45
    ScumLord
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    Some people will be able to put on weight allot esier than others. I have a freind who eats steaks as a snack between meals. He does work hard on a building site and does the bare minimum with weights to get a build but no exercise as such. He is a figity person though. He says he has been eating like a horse trying to put on weight for the past few months but can't. For the first time in his life he has a bit of fat around his belly and he's actually proud of it.

    At the end of the day though if your not putting in too much food then you can't get fat. Perhps you do have a medical condition or a slow metabolisim but that doesn't mean your not lazy and eating to much.


  • #46
    Chunks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 659 ✭✭✭Chunks


    she's fat becasue she's lazy and possibly un-educated about her food.

    A lot of people grow up eating 3 square meals a day but those 3 meals could be all processed pre-packaged shite. In their eyes they're eating healthily where as they're actually piling in the calories.

    People need to be educated about their food. What's good, what's bad, what to eat at certain times etc...

    Ireland is becoming more and more lazy and uneducated, and as a direct result fatter, the more (supposedly)wealthy it becomes.


  • #47
    litup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 361 ✭✭litup


    I really like rubadub's comparison with car fuel economy and think it makes sense. Some cars are more fuel efficient than others, as are people. Also, their are things you can do to improve your 'fuel efficiency' e.g. muscle requires more calories to maintain and so more muscle mass=higher metabolism (simplified but the general gist).

    I think some it takes some people years to understand this i.e. 'Why can x eat these things without putting on weight and I can't?' or even think they have a God given right to eat the same crap as x can. So they eat and the weight piles on and they blame genetics.


  • #48
    rubadub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    ScumLord wrote: »
    Some people will be able to put on weight allot esier than others. I have a freind who eats steaks as a snack between meals.
    I have steaks for breakfast sometimes, and can put away 1 or 2 chickens a day. But they are low in calories! Many people are ignorant of the calorific values of food and since they do not wiegh it they have no idea how much they are eating.

    A single normal pack of mcdonalds supernoodles has the same calories as about 3-4 stirfried chicken fillets. A lot of burger buns have more calories than the burger in them. I know lads in work who reckon they were "watching their weight", yet sitting down to lunches of 1000+kcal. Since they had noodles, brown bread and fruit they though it was OK.

    I weighed up and calculated the calories in the takeaway I used to get, more calories than I should eat in a day. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055209321

    If you have 2 twins and one eats 5% under the 2500kcal RDA and the other eats 5% more than that, then you can expect one to be 1 stone more in a year, and the other 1 stone less. That is like one eating a 210g steak and the other a 190g, a very slight difference.

    Your metabolism slows with age too, many ignore this.
    muscle requires more calories to maintain and so more muscle mass=higher metabolism (simplified but the general gist).
    Building muscle is a fantastic way to lose fat. Check out my sig for stuff you can make to do it with just bodyweight.


  • #49
    beans
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    I have either a fast metabolism or a tapeworm, not sure which yet. Net outcome is I eat and eat, and stay fairly svelte for my height :)


  • #50
    Dragan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    beans wrote: »
    I have either a fast metabolism or a tapeworm, not sure which yet. Net outcome is I eat and eat, and stay fairly svelte for my height :)


    Out of interest, what do you eat over the course of a normal day?


  • #51
    rubadub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    beans wrote: »
    I have either a fast metabolism or a tapeworm,
    More likely a crooked scales, think that is most peoples problem, well no scales at all really.

    And no point listing "I eat a sandwich", I see lads in work with 1200+kcal sambos, and girls with 200kcal ones.

    And if medication or disease really did slow metabolism to the degree some people claim then they would be introducing "disease" vaccinations or the medication to famine stricken regions, because by what some people claim they are defying the laws of physics. More likely getting so pissed they forgot about the 3 kebabs on the way home.


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  • #52
    Susannahmia
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    Meh I think it's a combination of the two. I put on loads of weight all of a sudden and was very overweight between the ages of 9 and 11. My diet had not changed and I was not a big eater. The minute I hit puberty it all disappeared. The weight gain was purely down to hormones. Similarly when I went on the pill I put about a stone on but am not overweight. However I really have to watch what I eat much more now compared to when I wasn't taking the pill, the hormones must lower my metabolism or something.

    Then again most overweight people do overeat, that compulsion could be influenced by genes, and they might have to work harder than others to, control their intake and weight. Others may be just greedy or lacking in will power, but I don't think you can tar every overweight person with the one brush.


  • #53
    Cheeky_gal
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    Creature wrote: »
    I blame the immigrants.

    LOL!!!! :D

    so I hear you're a racist now father?


  • #54
    Lockstep
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    Cheeky_gal wrote: »
    LOL!!!! :D

    so I hear you're a racist now father?

    I'm not a fascist I'm a priest!
    Fascists dress in black and tell people what to do whereas priests....MORE DRINK.


    I won't bother putting my point across as it has already been done in a far more eloquent way than I ever could.


  • #55
    galah
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    Interestingly, there was an article in the Sunday Times about exactly this topic - and the gist of it was pretty much "If it's a genetic condition, should you not work extra hard to prevent the problem in the first place?"

    (as in, if I know I have a genetic precondition to get lung cancer at some point, I'll do everything in my power to prevent that - as in not smoke, etcetc. It might still hit me, but it may not. But I can't just use it as an excuse...)

    That should also go for obesity...


  • #56
    Dragan
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    Let me put it this way.

    I honestly can't remember the last genetically fat person i met who didn't eat too much. ;)


  • #57
    rubadub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    Susannahmia wrote: »
    Similarly when I went on the pill I put about a stone on but am not overweight.

    Then again most overweight people do overeat,
    Well I don't know your defintion of "overeat", I would say it is eating more than your basal requirements to sustain your current weight, or not adjusting it accordingly if you want to lose weight. By that definition not most overweight people overeat, ALL overwieght people overeat or did overeat to get that way.

    That is like saying "then again most people with petrol flooding down the sides of their car put too much petrol in it".

    I have heard many women saying they put on weight due to the pill. If you notice you are putting on weight you adjust your calories accordingly. 1lb of fat is lost/gained with approx 3500kcal. If you put on 1lb a week after going on the pill then reduce your daily intake by 500kcal, be it by eating less, exercising more or a combination. If you pump your tyres to the right pressure, then your car is more efficient, so now you put less petrol in per week. If you let air out then you can afford to put more petrol in.

    A slow metabolism could be seen as a good thing, saving on your food bill. But most people with slow metabolisms have huge food bills, since it is not slow, they just eat too much.

    If you are 30 and eating the same and (not) exercising the same as you did when you were 20 then expect to get fat.


  • #58
    Susannahmia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭Susannahmia


    rubadub wrote: »
    Well I don't know your defintion of "overeat", I would say it is eating more than your basal requirements to sustain your current weight, or not adjusting it accordingly if you want to lose weight. By that definition not most overweight people overeat, ALL overwieght people overeat or did overeat to get that way.

    That is like saying "then again most people with petrol flooding down the sides of their car put too much petrol in it".

    I have heard many women saying they put on weight due to the pill. If you notice you are putting on weight you adjust your calories accordingly. 1lb of fat is lost/gained with approx 3500kcal. If you put on 1lb a week after going on the pill then reduce your daily intake by 500kcal, be it by eating less, exercising more or a combination. If you pump your tyres to the right pressure, then your car is more efficient, so now you put less petrol in per week. If you let air out then you can afford to put more petrol in.

    By overeating I guess I mean eating between meals and consuming more calories, fat than reccomended.

    Yep as I noted further on in that post I do adjust my intake. My point was that the pill slows down my metabolism but as I am aware of it I control my intake moreso than I would have had to without the pill being a factor.


  • #59
    Voodu Child
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,706 ✭✭✭Voodu Child


    Outside every thin girl, there's a fat guy trying to get in.


  • #60
    beans
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭beans


    Out of interest, what do you eat over the course of a normal day?

    I'll take yesterday as being fairly representative - Two cups of coffee and a bowl of muesli for breakfast, followed shortly by a bowl of curried chickpeas for 'brunch', a few slices of toast, a roast dinner with trimmings and cheesy-bacony-baked potatoes around 6 and a pizza around 8, more chickpeas, some dark cholocate and some tea before bed.

    Large volumes but I guess no crap, that must help


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  • #61
    dfx-
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    I'm disappointed in this thread

    Fat is great. Not spectacularly popular but great nevertheless.:cool:


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