English Premier League Have Another Stupid Idea

Mr Alan · 08-02-2008 04:34PM

But, by the time Leeds reach the PL, if this proposition has its way, Leeds will be playing all over the world in the PL, and the same people who are watching them now week in week out, wont be able to see their games

its just an awful awful idea.

_blank_ · 08-02-2008 04:35PM

rofl.

I just heard Keano on the Beeb talking about this.

he said "maybe in three or four years Sunderland will be in the top four or five"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

:D:D:D:D:D:D

denashpot · 08-02-2008 04:35PM

i think its a joke of an idea. everyone in soccer moans bout to many games been played and then they come up with an idiotic idea like this. :mad: the only game croker will get would be fulham and derby. the big clubs be heading for asia i say and 1 of the rules they came up with is that the big clubs will never play each other!!

Mr Alan · 08-02-2008 04:35PM

sure did ya not hear Des? when Richardson joined them this year he was asked their goal for the year and said to get Champions League football. they genuinely think there that they're real contenders.

i will cry with joy if they get relegated.

_blank_ · 08-02-2008 04:37PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

i will cry with joy if they get relegated.

wtf.

Something wrong with this forum today.

I keep agreeing with Alan

Villain · 08-02-2008 04:41PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

But, by the time Leeds reach the PL, if this proposition has its way, Leeds will be playing all over the world in the PL, and the same people who are watching them now week in week out, wont be able to see their games

its just an awful awful idea.

Ah here seriously stop dramatising the bloody thing, its one game per team, leeds fans would miss one game out of 39 league games not to mention league cup and FA cup games.

Do you HONESTLY believe that Leeds fans would rather be in the 3rd division than play in the Premier League and have to play ONE game at an international venue?

Mr Alan · 08-02-2008 04:46PM

Villain wrote: »

Ah here seriously stop dramatising the bloody thing, its one game per team, leeds fans would miss one game out of 39 league games not to mention league cup and FA cup games.

its one game per season in the first year. if thats a massive success, and the PL wants to maximise money, what do you think will happen then?

for the record; do you think this is a good idea? or are you just arguing with me for the sake of it?

Villain · 08-02-2008 04:55PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

its one game per season in the first year. if thats a massive success, and the PL wants to maximise money, what do you think will happen then?

for the record; do you think this is a good idea? or are you just arguing with me for the sake of it?

I never argue for the sake of it and hey its not an argument its a nice civil discussion

I don't agree with it, I think that its a bad idea but I can see the way soccer is gone and how English teams have to spend big to match other European teams and get the best players from all over the world and I can see that huge huge money is coming into the english game and clubs from abroad and teams will want to make the most they can and its only one game.

I proposed the alternative idea of a cup competition just between premier leagues which would be a good compromise imo.

Paul Tergat · 08-02-2008 05:04PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

This idea just shows that the PL just doesnt care about the people that it should. The fans. its their club, Not people in Beijing or Saudi etc, but the people who go to the game week in week out, the real fans of the clubs.

When they say "the english market is over-saturated", read that as, "we've run out of ways to fleece our local fans, lets go elsewhere and fleece them".

If this happens, the amount of games played abroad will increase every second year, the PL is the ENGLISH league, it will cease to be that if this idea goes ahead. Its a ridiculous idea. And in my opinion, anyone who thinks its a good idea, is in favour of ruining football.

If this happens, it wont be long before these games go PPV, then sure they'll probably break it up into 4 quarters to maximise money made from advertising, then we'll have cheerleaders at all the grounds, sure why not move Liverpool and base the club in Dubai? or California? 6 months of the year maybe? maximise revenues further?!

all a load of ****ing **** cockology.

The people who own these clubs are the fans who go every week, us foreign fans and day trippers are visitors to their club, and should treat it as such, now the PL is looking to take it off them and give it to the highest bidder once a year like some sort of whore.

the whole idea is ****ing disgusting.

Great Post Mr Alan.

Paul Tergat · 08-02-2008 05:12PM

Villain wrote: »

So I'm afraid the definiton of real fans while true in the sense as they support the team at games, the foreign fans are the ones generating the majority of money through televison viewing and subscriptions which is what clubs are relying on to buy players and pay for wages etc.

and i reckon it should stay this way.

what annoys me is that when i first came over for college there were many games over here shown at 3 o clock on a saturday which are not available at home...now i understand that this is to encourage people to go to the games rather than watch them on TV but it means that the fans of the teams (those who support a club in their own country - an argument im not going to get into by the way) can't watch their own team if they cant get a ticket but someone in Asia somewhere gets to watch them. it's just something that really pisses me off. the premiership over here is on before football first, and in England we used to have to wait until MOTD to even see the goals from OUR OWN LEAGUE. i know the way that football is going and i dont want an argument on this, just something that has pissed me off for a while!

keep the English league in England.

if i want to watch Barca play in the La Liga i have to go to Spain.
if i want to watch Milan play in Serie A i have to go to Italy. etc etc

keep it that way!

Villain · 08-02-2008 05:17PM

Quick question do people who think this is a bad idea agree that there should be a limit set on how many foreign players allowed play in an english club team?

_blank_ · 08-02-2008 05:25PM

Villain wrote: »

Quick question do people who think this is a bad idea agree that there should be a limit set on how many foreign players allowed play in an english club team?

Erm, no. That's a completely different thing, and goes against basic human rights as regards place of work etc etc.

The English Premier League should be played in England. The Serie A should be played in Italy. The La Liga should be played in Spain.

The ONLY people who this doesn't affect negatively are people who don't bother there arse going to games of the team they support.

They cannot understand the mentality of the matchgoing supporter, and NEVER will if they don't go to matches themselves.

And I'm not talking about one or two day-trips a season fans either.

I'm talking about the people who go week-in week-out to see the club they grew up supporting, they grew up going to matches, regularly.

Why should these people lose out on their experience just so some "poor" asian on the other side of the planet can get to see their "hero" in the flesh. Why should the ordinary joe from Liverpool, or Manchester, or London or Reading or Newcastle or wherever the hell else miss their match.

Will the season ticket cover the cost of attending this game?

Will it fúck.

homerjay2005 · 08-02-2008 05:57PM

DesF wrote: »

Will the season ticket cover the cost of attending this game?

Will it fúck.

whats that about desmond, what are you trying to say here? season tickets only cover home league games, this is not a home game, its a game played at a neutral venue. silly question and pointless argument really.

leninbenjamin · 08-02-2008 06:27PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

its one game per season in the first year. if thats a massive success, and the PL wants to maximise money, what do you think will happen then?

that would never happen. Ultimately the league will always need it's domestic market, and while they may not treat them well at a lot of times i don't think any of the clubs would dare abandon their domestic fans outright. besides the revenues being touted for this hinge on the fact they are of limited supply, otherwise they would end up saturating the foreign market just like they have at home.

this isn't a case of them trying to relocate the league to more lucrative waters as some seem to be suggesting, but rather it's a promotional gimmick to raise the international profile of the teams and attract new fans. in fact the fact they are proposing the introduction of extra games rather than relocating the existing fixtures is testimony to the fact they can't do without their domestic fans. it's merely a case of them building on what they've already got.

Mr Alan · 08-02-2008 07:20PM

leninbenjamin wrote: »

that would never happen.

10 years ago, people would've laughed at the never idea of this and said "that'll never happen"

20 years ago people would have laughed at the idea of television companies dictating the starting times of games.

I'm telling you, if there is more money to be made from the PL whoring itself around the world, they will do it.

growler · 08-02-2008 07:52PM

I'm starting to think that the clubs don't really want the normal (including the odd 300lb oik) at football games anymore, they've made going to football so sanitised in the last 15 years with their, no standing, no smoking, no swearing, no flags, bloody rules that they have happily managed to price the working class out of the premiership and attract plenty of celebrity spotting part time "fans" who will happily fork out £150 for a corporate seat and not cause any bother.

moving games to foreign climes will save them having to: man turnstiles, sell pies, clean up, have cops and stewards. If it starts with one game it will soon become more, and then with the pressures of flying all over the league will change to maybe 15, or 10 teams or turn into a euro super league in a few years.

Its very disheartening, though not in the least surprising, that those of us who fork out a large amount each season to watch our team, are held in such low esteem.

of course a sudden resurgence in hooligans woudl soon put a stop to all this. What division are Leeds in again?

OPENROAD · 08-02-2008 09:54PM

Villain wrote: »

Ah here seriously stop dramatising the bloody thing, its one game per team, leeds fans would miss one game out of 39 league games not to mention league cup and FA cup games.

Do you HONESTLY believe that Leeds fans would rather be in the 3rd division than play in the Premier League and have to play ONE game at an international venue?

OK as a villa fan you won't mind having to play Arsenal three times while your nearest rival will have to play say Derby three times.

herbieflowers · 08-02-2008 10:07PM

will the games actual be competitive though? As in count towards the League points total? I heard somewhere that it'll be more like a friendly, probably wrong by the looks of things here...

OPENROAD · 09-02-2008 01:32AM

herbieflowers wrote: »

will the games actual be competitive though? As in count towards the League points total? I heard somewhere that it'll be more like a friendly, probably wrong by the looks of things here...

I believe they will count towards the league which means that say if you have two teams that could be relegated one could play Arsenal and the other might get someone like Newcastle, hardly fair, though I know they have it in Scotland.

I am very surprised by Arsene Wengers response to it, I would have tought he would be against it, lets face it these matches are not going to be played in say Paris or Dublin, they will be going half way around the world,players will come back tired. I honestly don't think this will get the go ahead.

Gavin "shels" · 09-02-2008 03:54AM

Jazzy · 09-02-2008 06:10AM

Gavin shels wrote: »

what eva!

its all about Benny Lava

leninbenjamin · 09-02-2008 03:11PM

interesting article in the Telegraph on the subject.

Globalisation of Premier League is fans' fault

By Clive Tyldesley
Last Updated: 12:10pm GMT 09/02/2008

"I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this any more." So shouted the television newsreader, Howard Beale, in the film Network. And block by block, city by city, America began to lean out of its windows and shout it too. It was the collective rant of a disillusioned nation that had passed the tipping point. How much more will it take to get the football fans of this country as mad as hell? Is the 39th step the step too far?

It's not Richard Scudamore's fault. He's just doing his job, and doing it rather well. If the chief executive of any organisation were failing to maximise its international marketability, the shareholders would want to know why. The Premier League chairmen have reached a unanimous verdict on this. Firing off at Scudamore is merely shooting the messenger.

No, if anyone is to blame, it is the customers for allowing their favourite sporting pastime to become sport's favourite commercial brand. To their credit, the fans are too loyal to stop buying, but they have virtually stopped complaining too. Most of football's ills can be cured by a stirring victory for your team. Supporting a club is hypnotic and addictive. But it is also divisive because the greater good gets lost among the vested interests. The next match is more important than the idea of a 39th match.

The proposed international round will not be the thin edge of the wedge. That wedge was jammed firmly under an open door the day the Premier League came into existence 16 years ago. Foreign players, foreign owners, foreign television rights, we have waved them all gratefully across the welcome mat to finance the show. The world is shrinking by the day, and the globalisation of the Premier League has happened naturally. The only unnatural thing is the latest idea to cash in on it.

Recent events at Liverpool are a microcosm of what is now occurring nationally.

A wonderfully traditional football club is making the transition from old to new. Benevolent benefactors have been bought out by overseas investors. The stakes have been raised. Millionaires can no longer afford billionaire squads and stadiums. Only the dreaded banks and faceless pension funds can raise the necessary capital. Growing up is never easy and not always pretty. It's a warts and all process.

Protest songs from the Kop will not in themselves change anything. The initiative on Merseyside to form a supporters' group to buy out the American owners may seem hopelessly naive and belated. Dissing in the wind. But at least it is an initiative, a fightback.

There is already a Facebook group opposing the Premier League proposals, the website Football365 has launched a campaign and its forum has been discussing boycotts.

Grumbling over a pint in the pub tonight isn't enough if you harbour strong objections. But just how strong are the objections? Has the allure of Premier League football turned even the most principled into pragmatists? Is this how we first reacted to three points for a win, the four-step rule, shirt sponsorship, Monday night football, the Champions League and white boots? Still, I try to insist my 12-year-old son wears predominantly black boots. Is this simply the tirade of grumpy old men who want to revert to an archaic offside law and shirts tucked inside shorts?

Asked if these proposals should go to a fans' vote, Scudamore replied that rule by popular referendum would result in all games kicking off at three o'clock on a Saturday afternoon again, with the consequent loss of any live television revenue. You can't have your cake, eat it, and not pay for it. The committed fans who queue at motorway contraflows and turnstiles alike simply do not buy the Dutch pastries and French gateaux that adorn the Premier League table. The economic truth is that the armchair supporters are the ones who pay the players' wages now.

It is not just the major American sports that are on the move in search of new markets. Nearly half the tournaments on the European golf tour schedule will take place outside Europe this year. If you've got it, you flaunt it. Perhaps it's too late to turn back, maybe we simply don't want to give up the trappings of an all-star Premier League whatever the price.

In Network, Beale says: "Things have got to change, but first you gotta get mad."

The madness of English football is now being put to the test.

I think he's spot on with this summation. fans need to start following their head not their hearts if they wish to preserve what little of the traditional values are left in football.

herbieflowers · 09-02-2008 03:34PM

In some ways it was inevitable that such a propsal would emerge. Football is a business, look at all these pre-season tours to other parts of the world. I'm not saying it's right but it's the way things are gonna go, regardless of what fans think imo. If you think of it, all the changes in football over the past 10-20 years have slowly moved it away from its more traditional, sporting roots: advertising, television etc, alienating fans more and more. Has it actually improved the game? It's arguable.

Football has become a global product, has been a global product for quite a while...these proposals are, unfortunately, another step towards maximising the global potential of it.

LuckyLloyd · 09-02-2008 03:37PM

He is particularly on the money when he says that it is now the armchair fans that pay the way now. Eventhough it seems that the members of this board have great difficulty understanding and accepting that fact.

Gavin "shels" · 09-02-2008 07:17PM

Anybody on this thread has disagreed with the proposal and are "fans" of the EPL are hypocrites (not going searching for the names of the hypocrites), mainly because if the idea was that they played a game in Ireland every season you'd be well for it and trying to push the proposal

MrJoeSoap · 09-02-2008 07:21PM

Gavin shels wrote: »

Anybody on this thread has disagreed with the proposal and are "fans" of the EPL are hypocrites (not going searching for the names of the hypocrites), mainly because if the idea was that they played a game in Ireland every season you'd be well for it and trying to push the proposal

Okay, hold up.

I disagree with the proposal.
I am a "fan" of the EPL (well, the Championship).
If the idea was that they played a game in Ireland every season, I'd still be against it...

How do you like them apples?

~Rebel~ · 09-02-2008 07:23PM

MrJoeSoap wrote: »

Okay, hold up.

I disagree with the proposal.
I am a "fan" of the EPL (well, the Championship).
If the idea was that they played a game in Ireland every season, I'd still be against it...

How do you like them apples?

+1 Gavin what makes you think anyones opinion would be any different regardless what country the extra session of games would be in?

invincibleirish · 09-02-2008 07:25PM

LOL, not much point arguing with the eircom league fascists, if only they moved league of ireland games to cities in the UK and let them appreciate the standard of football which we're apparently missing out on in favour of english and scottish teams!

PHB · 09-02-2008 07:35PM

MrJoeSoap wrote: »

I disagree with the proposal.
I am a "fan" of the EPL (well, the Championship).
If the idea was that they played a game in Ireland every season, I'd still be against it...

+1

OPENROAD · 09-02-2008 08:05PM

Gavin shels wrote: »

Anybody on this thread has disagreed with the proposal and are "fans" of the EPL are hypocrites (not going searching for the names of the hypocrites), mainly because if the idea was that they played a game in Ireland every season you'd be well for it and trying to push the proposal

I wouldn't, part of the joy of watching Arsenal for me is going to London, so even if Arsenal were to play a game here, I would still be against it.

English Premier League Have Another Stupid Idea

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