English Premier League Have Another Stupid Idea

MrJoeSoap · 07-02-2008 03:53PM

ditpoker wrote: »

you forget that the same 1billion are part of the 8 billion who watched live aid and probably live earth... :rolleyes:

Yeah and the same 1 billion who FIFA claimed watched the World Cup final, only to later be exposed as only a quarter of that figure. I use the term "only" loosely, of course.

MrJoeSoap · 07-02-2008 03:53PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

not typing it up again.

Sorry, I missed it switching between PC's.

_blank_ · 07-02-2008 03:57PM

Jazzy wrote: »

yes because the principle is the same.

I suppose you are right, in a way.

Football is a religion.

Jazzy wrote: »

well, u have implied many times that you know wat "real fans" are and the expectations that they have to live up to.

No-one has anything to prove to me.

I simply ask questions that are never answered tbh. But now I'm not allowed to ask them, or I'll be banned.

I know what I consider to be a football fan. Why it affects other people so much is the baffling thing.

If it bothers you, or other people, so much, stick me on ignore. Easy.

Jazzy wrote: »

my whole thing about "level 10" is just ripping the piss cos u seem to have all these fans on different tiers. there is "Olé Olé'rs", "Barstoolers", "TV fans" and right at the creamy summit is u and a select other few LoI'rs (and that INSANE liverpool fan u know) who manage to live up to your expectations and achieve a high Theton level.

Level 10? Theton? What are you on about. WTF is a Theton?

Yes, I have zero repsect for clowns who go to games dressed as leprechauns, then try to pretend to be all knowledgeable about the game. I don't like being lied to for a start, or being treated like a moron.

Jazzy wrote: »

just because u live up to your own expectations doesnt give u this divine right to tell other ppl how much they support their club,

I've never done this. Ever.

I couldn't give a flying fúck about people who wear leprechaun suits, or spend thousands to go see a team in a foreign country.

But what I do care about is hyprocisy. I can't stand it.

Jazzy wrote: »

unless ofc its done in jest. ppl who do that more then usually have their head somewhere very uncomfortable and you wouldnt want to come off looking like that, would you?

You think I have my head up my ass?

Care to explain how?

leninbenjamin · 07-02-2008 04:01PM

MrJoeSoap wrote: »

United had no benefit from playing Chelsea at the end of last season, fixtures-wise.

that's not true really. those matches between the top four have a huge impact on the team from a psychological point of view. remember Arsenal took ages to recover from united ending their unbeaten run? had that United Chelsea game happened earlier in the season and Chelsea won the run in could have been a very different affair.

MrJoeSoap wrote: »

Because of more money? More money doesn't automatically mean better football or a better league.

no but it has had a hell of a lot a difference in the past. but with the EPL clubs being the first to exploit this market it could make it really difficult for the other leagues to compete with them financially in the long run. This isn't just about the extra revenue the games would bring in. This would give even the smallest club in the league more foreign exposure and a better chance of building up a decent foreign fanbase.

Villain wrote:

All 10 extra games would be played abroad under this idea, jesus how about reading the proposal before posting?

what the hell are you on about? each team is playing an extra ten games abroad now? did the BBC change the article?

Fratton Fred · 07-02-2008 04:06PM

MrJoeSoap wrote: »

I don't think fans would appreciate it. I know I certainly wouldn't like it if my team made a quarter final and it was moved to Hong Kong or Taiwan.

That would most likely be played in cloud cuckoo land that one

This will only make the big clubs richer, lets face, no one will want Reading v Boro so they will end up paying top dollar for the Man U, Liverpool games. The clubs will know this so demand a bigger slice of the kitty?

They will seed the games so the top of the table clash will not happen, but if it does and you have three teams tied for points coming up to this magical last game, will they make them all kick off at the same time, even though they are playing in New York, Dublin and Bangkok?

It aint gonna happen.

MrJoeSoap · 07-02-2008 04:09PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

That would most likely be played in cloud cuckoo land that one

You don't reckon we'll beat Bristol Rovers then, no?

Nearly 70 years since your lot got to Wembley* for the Cup Final (*slash Cardiff

)

pd101 · 07-02-2008 04:18PM

Can't see it happening for the Premier League because it just would'nt be fair on the teams involved. It could work though with the FA cup where its just a one off game with no points involved in it.

Jazzy · 07-02-2008 04:37PM

DesF wrote: »

I simply ask questions that are never answered tbh. But now I'm not allowed to ask them, or I'll be banned.

I know what I consider to be a football fan. Why it affects other people so much is the baffling thing.

well, i do answer them but u just generally dont except the answers because they dont live up to your expectations on how u should follow ur club. as for the other morons on here who are more into the never ending war that is Utd. Vs Liverpool I cant really speak for them.
i can tell u tho why it affects other ppl. its because u are telling these passionate ppl that they arent good enough in your eyes and therefore their opinion holds less weight then yours and boom! we are back at the tier system again, and no1 likes that. u shouldnt be telling ppl to ignore u either btw, shows a weakness in ur arguement.

DesF wrote:

Level 10? Theton? What are you on about. WTF is a Theton?

my mistake, i got the spelling wrong Thetans
bit of a joke i made see

Its just making fun at the level u seem to put ppl at. and yes Des, judging by your posts/attitude/arguements - you DO put ppl into different levels and categories where their opinion is weighted simply because of who and how they support their club. wat if i decided to support Shelbourne but didnt go to any matches? what would you think of me? you'd probably just put me into one of the different categories you create.

DesF wrote:

You think I have my head up my ass?

Care to explain how?

Not really, ur just hard to please

Savman · 07-02-2008 05:09PM

This is a great idea for all leagues. Can't wait for Bohs V Shels @ Wembley.

_blank_ · 07-02-2008 05:11PM

Savman wrote: »

This is a great idea for all leagues. Can't wait for Bohs V Shels @ Wembley.

:D

People probably still wouldn't go.

DEmeant0r · 07-02-2008 05:21PM

I honestly think this is the most stupid idea come up by the FA, managers and players are already complaining that they're tired from the Xmas run of games, so how could this help them in any way?

LuckyLloyd · 07-02-2008 05:30PM

Folks, football is a business. For the biggest teams, the diehard fans are irrelevant. This is an excellent way of generating short - term cash and increasing market share in terms of stable long - term revenue. IT IS AN INEVITABILITY, AND NOT SOMETHING THAT YOUR WHINING WILL PREVENT.

I'm surprised the premier league hasn't done this five years ago. All of the teams will eventually sacrifice a game or two a year because of the hard reality of increased merchandising opportunites.

You all need to grow up and realise that business is business - and that means making money. End off. This is a great business idea.

MrJoeSoap · 07-02-2008 05:32PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

You all need to grow up and realise that business is business - and that means making money. End off. This is a great business idea.

Classic stuff. The game is nothing more than a business now, so fans should sit back and censor their own opinions on things they feel strongly about. No thanks mate.

Villain · 07-02-2008 05:32PM

leninbenjamin wrote: »

what the hell are you on about? each team is playing an extra ten games abroad now? did the BBC change the article?

BBC article says:

Those 10 extra games would be played at venues around the world, with cities bidding for the right to stage them

Did you read it?

Savman · 07-02-2008 05:36PM

LuckyLloyd wrote:

For the biggest teams, the diehard fans are irrelevant.

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

IT IS AN INEVITABILITY, AND NOT SOMETHING THAT YOUR WHINING WILL PREVENT.

Hehe, how wrong can one man be? A supporter boycott for just one game could cost a big club a six figure sum in lost revenue, so in reality the opposite of what you say is true. ManU, Chelsea etc don't have total nitwits running them that would think for one second they can survive in any capacity without the diehards.

LuckyLloyd · 07-02-2008 05:37PM

MrJoeSoap wrote: »

Classic stuff. The game is nothing more than a business now, so fans should sit back and censor their own opinions on things they feel strongly about. No thanks mate.

You can whine all you like, but this is going to happen. And when it does, you'll still go out and buy your replica jerseys; keep up on your sky sports and setanta payments; and take your trip across the water a few times a year.

You can be pushed and prodded - but you still pump the money in. The footballing public isn't very clever.

LuckyLloyd · 07-02-2008 05:38PM

Savman wrote: »

Hehe, how wrong can one man be? A supporter boycott for just one game could cost a big club a six figure sum in lost revenue, so in reality the opposite of what you say is true. ManU, Chelsea etc don't have total nitwits running them that would think for one second they can survive in any capacity without the diehards.

So the Glazier take over was stopped?

Savman · 07-02-2008 05:40PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

So the Glazier take over was stopped?

Obviously not enough fans felt that strongly about it. Either way a completely different scenario that's hardly relevant.

This could well happen but make no mistake the Premiership clubs will be treading very softly.

~Rebel~ · 07-02-2008 05:41PM

Villain wrote: »

BBC article says:

Did you read it?

Villain and LeninBenjamin you're both saying the same thing. One is saying it from the POV of the league, the other from the POV of any specific team.

Its 1 game i.e each team will play 1 extra game per season abroad.
Its 10 games i.e 10 extra league games will be played in total, with these games being abroad.

Villain · 07-02-2008 05:43PM

My apologies I thought he meant only one game would be played abroad.

LuckyLloyd · 07-02-2008 05:45PM

Savman wrote: »

Obviously not enough fans felt that strongly about it. Either way a completely different scenario that's hardly relevant.

This could well happen but make no mistake the Premiership clubs will be treading very softly.

lol. Obviously they didn't. Because the vast majority of the fanbase is passive. Don't you get it? There will never be protests that mean anything, because the other 95% of the fanbase will cross the picket line with their families.

Peyton Manning · 07-02-2008 05:50PM

I can imagine the big matches, i.e. ones involving United, Chelsea and Liverpool will go to Asia for sure.

DEmeant0r · 07-02-2008 05:54PM

Look, I'm all for extra money for clubs... but it should not be an extra game that would make or break a club's season (i.e diff between staying up and relegating) and one that could be unfairly fixtured (is that a word?) (i.e What if Arsenal gets the likes of Derby and Man U get Chelsea?)

LuckyLloyd · 07-02-2008 05:56PM

DEmeant0r wrote: »

Look, I'm all for extra money for clubs... but it should not be an extra game that would make or break a club's season (i.e diff between staying up and relegating) and one that could be unfairly fixtured (is that a word?) (i.e What if Arsenal gets the likes of Derby and Man U get Chelsea?)

All of the overseas games can be scheduled for August and September. Simple.

Mitch Connor · 07-02-2008 06:10PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

All of the overseas games can be scheduled for August and September. Simple.

the timing of the game is almost irrelevant though - it is the fact it is a 39th game that makes it a deal breaker, for me anyway. It doesn't matter when it happens, its the fact teams could get more favourable 'draws' than teams they are competing against, be it for europe, the title or to stay in the league. It is simply wrong, just damned wrong.

Tusky · 07-02-2008 06:12PM

I find it mind boggling that people are actually advocating this.

LuckyLloyd · 07-02-2008 06:14PM

Tusky wrote: »

I find it mind boggling that people are actually advocating this.

I'm not advocating it, don't think it is a great idea from a purely footballing perspective tbh (much as Utd should have been forced to fulfill their 3rd round FA Cup fixture with their reserves all those years ago) - but I'm just trying to underline the fact that this is definitely 100% going to happen because it makes sense from a business side of things.

Mitch Connor · 07-02-2008 06:26PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I'm not advocating it, don't think it is a great idea from a purely footballing perspective tbh (much as Utd should have been forced to fulfill their 3rd round FA Cup fixture with their reserves all those years ago) - but I'm just trying to underline the fact that this is definitely 100% going to happen because it makes sense from a business side of things.

not necessarily - would a team fighting relegation really need another game agaisnt United, Liverpool, Arsenal or Chelsea? Could be the game that ultimately sees them go down. would be a very poor decision that.

Savman · 07-02-2008 06:27PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

lol. Obviously they didn't. Because the vast majority of the fanbase is passive. Don't you get it? There will never be protests that mean anything, because the other 95% of the fanbase will cross the picket line with their families.

Go to any well supported club and tell me what a "passive" fan is :rolleyes:
You're completely missing the point here, you said that clubs dont care about the diehards, now I don't know which teams you follow but I can tell you while true for some clubs, that's BS in a lot of cases. I'm sure on a corporate level they don't care personally but if they are running a business then they'll be wary about anything that might cause precious attendances to dwindle. If they can keep doing what they are doing while at the same time expanding to a money making scheme in different countries, of course they'll all grab it with both hands.

But you're simply incorrect stating that their fans don't get factored into decisions like this. The Li family in China isn't gonna be at the games week in week out in the pissing rain, the Smith family from England will. Common sense.

OhNoYouDidn't · 07-02-2008 06:32PM

whiskeyman wrote: »

Man Yoo Vs Liverpool in Croker anyone?

can you see the bigots allowing that?

actually, can you see the FAI allowing that?

English Premier League Have Another Stupid Idea

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