'The Advantage' - Peno shoot out revamp?

whiskeyman · 07-02-2008 02:02PM #1

I heard about this on BBC5 Live a few nights ago... surprised no one mentioned it yet.

From here: http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/33743/FIFA-ponder-end-to-shoot-out-woe

In the result of a draw, the penalty shoot-out is reduced to three each, and moved to the end of 90-minutes. The winner of the shoot-out takes their ‘Advantage’ (one ‘goal’) into extra-time, now played after the penalties. If the score (not including The Advantage) remains level, the team who won the shoot-out wins,
if the other team win in extra-time anyway, they win.
The idea seems to be to force teams to attack and go for the win during extra-time, and not ‘play for penalties’.

Really sounds simply and reports are that FIFA are interested. It would probably take more of the 'lottery' element away from penos at the end of a game though.

Thoughts?

homerjay2005 · 07-02-2008 02:05PM

thats liverpools chances of silveware gone if that comes in so

Tusky · 07-02-2008 02:05PM

But...whoever wins the peno shootout will just plant 10 men behind the ball for the extra time which would give the opposite of the desired effect.

kaimera · 07-02-2008 02:06PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

thats liverpools chances of silveware gone if that comes in so

Hardly, we'd had a 1 or 2 goal cushion after it

mike65 · 07-02-2008 02:13PM

Smacks of tampering with tried and trusted for the sake of "entertainment". Watch US sport for that kind of thing.

Mike.

Mitch Connor · 07-02-2008 02:14PM

Tusky wrote: »

But...whoever wins the peno shootout will just plant 10 men behind the ball for the extra time which would give the opposite of the desired effect.

Exactly - it doesn't force both teams to attack at all! One can sit back and couner attack as the space opens up.

I always liked the idea of the 35yard free frun they had in a few preseason tournements a few years back. The attacking player got the ball 35 yards out and had 7 seconds (or something like that) to score, no rebounds. A lot more skill involved in that.

whiskeyman · 07-02-2008 02:29PM

mike65 wrote: »

Smacks of tampering with tried and trusted for the sake of "entertainment". Watch US sport for that kind of thing.

Mike.

But weren't peno shoot outs only introduced into major competitions in the 1970s?
They may be tried, but not really trusted by many.

gucci · 07-02-2008 02:29PM

Tauren wrote: »

The attacking player got the ball 35 yards out and had 7 seconds (or something like that) to score, no rebounds. A lot more skill involved in that.

Yeah sure, and alot more running too for cramped up players after 120 mins of football!! I'm not sure what the answer is here. Think the penalty shootout at the end of extra time is nearly the best....i dont believe it is a lottery, a test of nerve, stamina and accuracy.

MrJoeSoap · 07-02-2008 02:32PM

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Thats my opinion anyway. Change for changes sake isn't the way forward.

Eirebear · 07-02-2008 02:37PM

whiskeyman wrote: »

But weren't peno shoot outs only introduced into major competitions in the 1970s?
They may be tried, but not really trusted by many.

Yes up untill then it was a coin toss....maybe we should do that before extra time instead?

Taking the kicks before extra time is a daft idea IMO, it would still be the "lottery" that people dislike, and the winners would then go on to stick everyone behind the ball creating a completely uneven half hour of football afterwards.

Mitch Connor · 07-02-2008 02:42PM

gucci wrote: »

Yeah sure, and alot more running too for cramped up players after 120 mins of football!! I'm not sure what the answer is here. Think the penalty shootout at the end of extra time is nearly the best....i dont believe it is a lottery, a test of nerve, stamina and accuracy.

A LOT?

Its only 35 yards - and they would have a quick break to catch their breath between the full time whistle and the start of the run up.

MrJoeSoap · 07-02-2008 02:47PM

Tauren wrote: »

Exactly - it doesn't force both teams to attack at all! One can sit back and couner attack as the space opens up.

I always liked the idea of the 35yard free frun they had in a few preseason tournements a few years back. The attacking player got the ball 35 yards out and had 7 seconds (or something like that) to score, no rebounds. A lot more skill involved in that.

The MLS did that up until 2000, when they realised it just didn't work.

Xavi6 · 07-02-2008 02:48PM

Keep it the way it is. I love penos.

The worst thing in football is when some w*nker scores in the 119th minute. Talk about an anti-climax.

gucci · 07-02-2008 02:48PM

Tauren wrote: »

A LOT?

Its only 35 yards - and they would have a quick break to catch their breath between the full time whistle and the start of the run up.

Which would you prefer to do if you had cramped up, dribble the ball 20 yards towards a goalie closing you down or a 5 yard run up to smack a dead ball?

Mitch Connor · 07-02-2008 02:51PM

gucci wrote: »

Which would you prefer to do if you had cramped up, dribble the ball 20 yards towards a goalie closing you down or a 5 yard run up to smack a dead ball?

It would be easier to do the 5 yard run. HOWEVER, the 35 yard run would be a greater test of skill and ability for both the goalkeeper and the attacker. It wouldn't be the 'lottery' that peolpe complain about. Also, I don't actually see too many people go down with cramp so bad that it would ruin the idea. A couple of players in the Liverpool/West Ham FA Cup final, Taylor for England in the U21 champs in the summer - can't remember too many else to be honest. Don't remember there being any problems in the United vs Chelsea FA Cup final.

ziggy · 07-02-2008 02:55PM

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MrJoeSoap · 07-02-2008 02:56PM

ziggy wrote: »

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Jaysis, thats a radical approach. How about making the crossbar ten feet higher?

Helix · 07-02-2008 02:56PM

i quite like the sound of this advantage jobbie to be honest

Xavi6 · 07-02-2008 02:56PM

ziggy wrote: »

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Ah that's a ridiculous idea. Let's make the playing area bigger by taking away offside? Let strikers hatch on the peno spot instead of playing 25 yards out? With offside the game is really played in about 60 yards but you want it played over the full 110 or so?

The players would be knackered as it is without having more ground to cover.

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MrJoeSoap · 07-02-2008 03:13PM

ziggy wrote: »

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So did I actually. Whilst we're on the subject of radical approachs, why not do an NHL job on it and reduce the teams to 8v8 or 9v9.

Mr Alan · 07-02-2008 03:29PM

i am praying you are taking the piss

MrJoeSoap · 07-02-2008 03:30PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

i am praying you are taking the piss

Well I am but I can't vouch for everyone else here.

~Rebel~ · 07-02-2008 03:33PM

What happens if the 3 pens just end up in a draw? Still have to keep going sudden death style?

MrJoeSoap · 07-02-2008 03:36PM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

What happens if the 3 pens just end up in a draw? Still have to keep going sudden death style?

No, its a rock, paper, scissors best-of-five until a winner can be determined.

Peyton Manning · 07-02-2008 03:41PM

Penalties are fine, theres nothing wrong with them.

I dont think you can have any complaints if you dominate a match yet still lose on penalties. Look at the United vs Arsenal FA Cup final a few years ago. We battered them off the pitch but lost on penalties. And its our own fault for not being able to put the ball in the net. Playing for penalties is all part of the game. And penalties themselves are a skill. Train and practise them to avoid it being a 50/50 and put the odds in your favour. Theres nothing wrong with football, all these new rules and overseas matches ideas are BS.

Third_Echelon · 07-02-2008 04:08PM

MrJoeSoap wrote: »

The MLS did that up until 2000, when they realised it just didn't work.

It started in the american league in the late 70's/early 80's when Pele, Beckenbauer and co were playing in the states.

Beckenbauer to this day says it is the best way to decide a game. He was pushing FIFA for years to get them to trial this in tournaments (U20's etc) with a goal of bringing it into the senior game.

He maintains that it made deciding a game a lot more interesting that penalty kicks.

I saw this on a film. Must try and find it somewhere on the net for linkage..

ROCKMAN · 07-02-2008 04:20PM

MrJoeSoap wrote: »

No, its a rock, paper, scissors best-of-five until a winner can be determined.

Always liked the idea of both teams forming a ring around the mid -field circle, and picking a player from each team to fight it out , Last man standing, Winner takes all

:D

Think off the fights we could have witnessed over the years

Peyton Manning · 07-02-2008 04:20PM

MrJoeSoap wrote: »

The MLS did that up until 2000, when they realised it just didn't work.

Didnt Serie A try this as well? Or was it given a trial in pre season friendlies? I remember Robbie Keane taking one in his first match for Inter...

MrJoeSoap · 07-02-2008 04:24PM

Archimedes wrote: »

Didnt Serie A try this as well? Or was it given a trial in pre season friendlies? I remember Robbie Keane taking one in his first match for Inter...

That was in one of those pre-season triangle tournaments they had with kick-ins and short corners. None of the ideas took off, not surprisingly.

'The Advantage' - Peno shoot out revamp?

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