Leinster Schools Rugby

KERPAL · 30-01-2008 02:19PM

RickyHatton wrote: »

been to a good few games

Marys will beat CBC...again
Clongowes will beat Belvo

I'm beginning to think even a sub standard Micheals side will be too much for CBC in the quarters

Where is this talk of CBC winning the cup coming from...CBC barely beat Andrews and were trashed by Marys and Rock.

My choice for who will most likely win the cup would go in this order
Clongowes
Marys
Blackrock
Belvedere
CBC - and I'm tempted to put Micheals ahead of them
Micheals

We didnt get trashed against rock, dey got a few lucky tries.
CBC will improve, ok we didnt perform against a gd marys team but its one match.

ur prob rite about clongowes tho

TheVoodoo · 30-01-2008 02:58PM

CBC were'nt trashed by Rock.

They gave away 3 stupid tries in the last 10 minutes, one of which was an intercept, They were winning up untill that point.

I agree with what you say about Clongows though, they are a very strong side this year.

And the talk probably started with the fact they have 6 Leinster players including the U-19s Captain.

Ugh i dislike when " bigger " schools get knocked out and their fans complain and bitch about " lower " schools that still have a chance of winning the cup...

And about the sub-standard micheals team?
Are you being Serious?!! It will be one hell of a game and could go either way, and as Gavin Cumminsky said in the IT today, It'll be worth the entrance fee to see the breakdown collisions alone.

themont85 · 30-01-2008 06:46PM

RickyHatton wrote: »

been to a good few games

Marys will beat CBC...again
Clongowes will beat Belvo

I'm beginning to think even a sub standard Micheals side will be too much for CBC in the quarters

Where is this talk of CBC winning the cup coming from...CBC barely beat Andrews and were trashed by Marys and Rock.

My choice for who will most likely win the cup would go in this order
Clongowes
Marys
Blackrock
Belvedere
CBC - and I'm tempted to put Micheals ahead of them
Micheals

CBC lost by 4 points to Marys, how is that thrashed? By all accounts Marys deserved to win but it was no thrashing. Andrews are no mugs mate, just because they lost in the first round doesn't mean they're a weak side. Much like Terenure actually...

Clongowes are a damn good team, but in a previous post you said 'what I gather' they are looking good. How can you rate a side you haven't seen?

EDIT:The reason I said I'm looking forward to next years H Cup format is because the lower ranked schools, who have a far harder task to win the Cup will be on a level playing field. The 'Big 7' can stop pissing about for half the year perfecting their sides whilst others are engaged in competition collecting injuries ect

leek · 30-01-2008 06:48PM

True that. i just watched the michaels pres game. not too good, though michaels looked ordinary, except for reid and i taugh the 9 obrian? was very good got them going well wit fast ball and some lovely passes. the size of the winger who scored for pres? janey mack

Size=everything · 30-01-2008 08:07PM

themont85 wrote: »

CBC lost by 4 points to Marys, how is that thrashed? By all accounts Marys deserved to win but it was no thrashing.

Accordin to a mate who was watchin the game marys from the start were all over cbc, were unlucky not to get a lot more and the only reason the score looked in anyway reasonably was because cbc got a try in the last few mins wen marys were down to 13 men

once again he was neutral jus passin by after a nite out n saw the game on and decided to watch

Andrews are no mugs mate, just because they lost in the first round doesn't mean they're a weak side. Much like Terenure actually...

Andrews are no blackrock or clongowes. listen u keep bringin up terenure I never said they were gud enough to win it just said they deserved to beat belvo that was all.

read the independent reviewing ur game with columbas... three trys... against columbas....hardly a sign of a great team

marys put up 7 tries against superior opposition
blackrock put up 40 points on equal opposition
clongowes had a cricket score against kings hospital
belvo beat a very good nure side
micheals comfortably beat a good pres bray side
cbc...beat columbas by 3 scores.. towards the end of the second half i think

Clongowes are a damn good team, but in a previous post you said 'what I gather' they are looking good. How can you rate a side you haven't seen?

Have a source close to the team. without goin into too much detail one aspect of my job is loosely followin the cup rugby

KERPAL · 30-01-2008 08:36PM

checkin out the new odds!! alot of moving for evry1 xcept marys,zaga and roscrea.
My heart says CBC at 5-1 is generous enough, but my head isnt i was reffing a columbus 1sts game last year against clongowes thirds in a league game and clongowes scored at least 40 points. But im praying they can turn over micheals!!!

would ne1 reckon a punt on marys at 8-1 is worth it? a monkey or so? each way mayb?

paddy power:

Belvedere 9 - 4 Clongowes 11 - 4 Blackrock 7 - 2 CBC Monkstown 5 - 1 St Michaels 6 - 1 St Mary's 8 - 1 Gonzaga 18 - 1 Roscrea 50-1

themont85 · 30-01-2008 09:09PM

If you followed Cup rugby like you say you do RickyHatton you would know Andrews had a good side this year. Because they're Andrews you seem to have a supiriority complex just because you support Terenure and see little of the middle schools until cup time, when you guys are fresh and the league teams are knackered.

CBC's form recently has been poor, but to say they are overrated and putting them down is ridiculous, same with Belvo. I've seen Belvo look a lot better. How many CBC games have you seen this year? They too have put cricket scores up on teams like KH and Gerrads, in fact they put a lot more on them and conceded less than Clongowes ect. Maybe they peaked too soon, more the fault of the competition then anything. They haven't reached their potential(6 Leinster players is damn impressive given the general shrugging of shoulders of the Big 6 lads), I hope they do just so people like yourself can stop living in your closed of circle of schools rugby.

Mikeyt086 · 30-01-2008 11:07PM

leek wrote: »

True that. i just watched the michaels pres game. not too good, though michaels looked ordinary, except for reid and i taugh the 9 obrian? was very good got them going well wit fast ball and some lovely passes. the size of the winger who scored for pres? janey mack

John Breslin, a good mate of mine. He's the BFG, one of the nicest guys i know.

what say what? · 31-01-2008 12:28AM

themont85 wrote: »

If you followed Cup rugby like you say you do RickyHatton you would know Andrews had a good side this year. Because they're Andrews you seem to have a supiriority complex just because you support Terenure and see little of the middle schools until cup time, when you guys are fresh and the league teams are knackered..

Hopefully the HCup format will bring a fresh perspective to all the hard work that the 'smaller schools' have done over the last number of years.
ie cbc, gonzaga,andrews and to a lesser extent cus and columbas

I would like to see this closing the imaginary gap and having the knock on effect of raising the standard (which is pretty good at the moment)

Quite simply, this is a knockout competition, there are 8 teams in it, realisticly 6 of them have a strong chance but that's all it is, a chance personally I have seen every team bar clongowes (but I saw them last year and they will be stronger for that experience) and each one of them has its pros and cons.

Don't be too suprised if michaels turn over cbc ditto rock vs clongowes.
This competition is a real contest for a change, the eventual winners will have earned it.

No disrecpect to rocsrea but I think we all wanted to see andrews vs belvo rd2 - that would have been a cracking match.

As for the leinster players - how are they selected? - i do know that most of these players train thru the summer in an extended squad and are selected come september but how do they know which players will make it? who decides? is it the school who sends them forward? or how?

I thought that duke from nure was of leinster quality, we may hear of him again in the future

themont85 · 31-01-2008 01:09AM

what say what? wrote: »

Hopefully the HCup format will bring a fresh perspective to all the hard work that the 'smaller schools' have done over the last number of years.
ie cbc, gonzaga,andrews and to a lesser extent cus and columbas

I would like to see this closing the imaginary gap and having the knock on effect of raising the standard (which is pretty good at the moment)

Quite simply, this is a knockout competition, there are 8 teams in it, realisticly 6 of them have a strong chance but that's all it is, a chance personally I have seen every team bar clongowes (but I saw them last year and they will be stronger for that experience) and each one of them has its pros and cons.

Don't be too suprised if michaels turn over cbc ditto rock vs clongowes.
This competition is a real contest for a change, the eventual winners will have earned it.

No disrecpect to rocsrea but I think we all wanted to see andrews vs belvo rd2 - that would have been a cracking match.

As for the leinster players - how are they selected? - i do know that most of these players train thru the summer in an extended squad and are selected come september but how do they know which players will make it? who decides? is it the school who sends them forward? or how?

I thought that duke from nure was of leinster quality, we may hear of him again in the future

Each schools sends a certain number(i think it depends on the schools strenght, not quite sure). They have trial games(probables versus possibles) ect until squads of about 30 are picked, in April/May. Over the summer I know guys who don't make summer tours for leinster will continue Leinster training. In Sept they pick the squad based on training performance. The Irish squad is more controversal, I think the 18s this year was hotly contested by leinster people after very few were selected despite winning the inter pros. I don't know how they pick the coaches, but a lot of politics I would guess from the provinces.

Duke may have been injured for trials or something, maybe thats why he missed out. He looked a very good player.

Blisterman · 31-01-2008 11:47AM

I thought Michael's played very well. I'd hardly call them substandard.
They completely dominated the game against Pres. Their passing, kicking, defence and lineouts were practically impeccable.

Did you see the kick, I think it was the scrumhalf, took, from behind the try line, after the turnover?
One of the finest kicks under pressure, I've seen, in any level of rugby.

Pres played well too. Their intercept try was superb, but Michael's trashed them. Michael's scoreline would be much higher, were it not for two held up tries.

Admittadly, I haven't seen any of the other teams play this year, but I'll be putting a few Euro on Michaels to retain the trophy this year.

Size=everything · 01-02-2008 12:14AM

Anyone know what SCT matches are on Monday

Size=everything · 01-02-2008 12:19AM

Blisterman wrote: »

I thought Michael's played very well. I'd hardly call them substandard.
They completely dominated the game against Pres. Their passing, kicking, defence and lineouts were practically impeccable.

Did you see the kick, I think it was the scrumhalf, took, from behind the try line, after the turnover?
One of the finest kicks under pressure, I've seen, in any level of rugby.

Pres played well too. Their intercept try was superb, but Michael's trashed them. Michael's scoreline would be much higher, were it not for two held up tries.

Admittadly, I haven't seen any of the other teams play this year, but I'll be putting a few Euro on Michaels to retain the trophy this year.

Micheals and Marys are gems of a bet at 6-1 and 8-1 respectively because either one of them will most likely be in the final.

And no monty this isn't anything to do with them being part of the big 6 its to do with Marys playing very good rugby right now and Micheals being on what can only be described as a roll.
CBC seem to be going the opposite way. n i have no doubts they have the potential with their players but they jus aren producing it on the pitch n thats fact

thebaz · 01-02-2008 02:11AM

RickyHatton wrote: »

Anyone know what SCT matches are on Monday

zaga / mary's -- if the weather is good , should be an open game -- zaga might cause a shock , they have 4 or 5 leinster players

zAbbo · 01-02-2008 10:43AM

anyone know where you can get some of the funky Marys clothing ?

RadioGaGa · 01-02-2008 02:25PM

junior cup results anyone? Belvo beat marys 8-7 at donnybrook yesterday.

themont85 · 01-02-2008 04:58PM

Ye RickyHatton I'm noy denying CBC have been eratic recently but in you previous posts you claimed that Belvo and CBC were far overrated on the basis of one or two games. I was amused to see that you claimed CBC were thrashed by 2 teams, games you hadn't seen and by all reports were far closer than been 'thrashed'. What CBC/Belvo games have you actually seen this year?

Marys are hitting good form and are a good side, I've had a bet on them each way before the Cup. I'd agree they are probably best set to get to the final after round 1, but that can change.

Flash92 · 01-02-2008 09:45PM

RadioGaGa wrote: »

junior cup results anyone? Belvo beat marys 8-7 at donnybrook yesterday.

Terenure beat King's Hos. 17 - 0, Michaels beat Wesley 53 - 3, Rock beat Templeogue 43 - 0 today, Clongowes beat Castleknock 20 - 0, and Gonzaga beat CBC Monkstown 7 -6. That's all I know.

what say what? · 01-02-2008 10:25PM

themont85 wrote: »

Marys are hitting good form and are a good side, I've had a bet on them each way before the Cup. I'd agree they are probably best set to get to the final after round 1, but that can change.

that is so true, so often teams flatter to decieve, one game and one win means only one thing.......that your through to the next round (where you have to do it all again)

WINNER · 02-02-2008 07:46PM

Has anyone any views on the recent piece of info I heard re Blackrock College telling members of the JCT that they will be dropped off the team if they play for their local GAA team. Pretty harsh considering the International team are graceing Croke Park thanks to the GAA

Size=everything · 02-02-2008 08:00PM

WINNER wrote: »

Has anyone any views on the recent piece of info I heard re Blackrock College telling members of the JCT that they will be dropped off the team if they play for their local GAA team. Pretty harsh considering the International team are graceing Croke Park thanks to the GAA

id say dats more to do wit no wantin their players to be overtrained rather than bein any anti-gaa sentiment

RuggieBear · 02-02-2008 10:36PM

I'll be banning people from now on who use text speak on this thread.

Four-Percent · 03-02-2008 12:33AM

its the same with any of the A schools - they have to sign a contract with leinster branch in order to play for their clubs. They're not allowed play for both school and rugby club.

Obviously the coaches just want to make it clear that the same applies to gaa.

KERPAL · 03-02-2008 02:38PM

anyone know if blackrock vs. clongowes is going ahead today???

thebaz · 03-02-2008 03:39PM

WINNER wrote: »

Has anyone any views on the recent piece of info I heard re Blackrock College telling members of the JCT that they will be dropped off the team if they play for their local GAA team. Pretty harsh considering the International team are graceing Croke Park thanks to the GAA

hardly new, i remember i wasn't allow play club football, and A team rugby , i was really pissed as i liked both -- chose rugby at school (not blackrock)

Sandwich · 03-02-2008 06:25PM

Blackrock 10 Clongowes 10.

themont85 · 03-02-2008 10:44PM

WINNER wrote: »

Has anyone any views on the recent piece of info I heard re Blackrock College telling members of the JCT that they will be dropped off the team if they play for their local GAA team. Pretty harsh considering the International team are graceing Croke Park thanks to the GAA

Have to agree. I understand at SCT level with all the training and LC commitments players been asked to commit to one sport. But at JCT its ridiculous. Nearly all the schools enforce this. People always talk about Schools Rugby killing the game for some players, I don't agree at SCT level but I agree that its stupid to force such dedication from 14/15 year olds. A few players I knew completely lost intrest after JCT level, with TY and all that comes with it and were burnt out of rugby. Some came back for the SCT but some didn't. They should be trying to encourage lads at that age to play rather than making rugby such a strict sport.

Sandwich wrote: »

Blackrock 10 Clongowes 10.

Rock completely blew it today. That'll feel like a defeat for them, Clongowes were the better team but to get in such a position at that stage of the game and lose it like that.

Rattlehead_ie · 04-02-2008 05:08PM

Anyone have updates on todays game(s)?
27 - 10 to Marys Vs Zaga, could be a biased opinion but from what I got/heard referee was Marys friendly.

TheVoodoo · 04-02-2008 07:08PM

Belvo beat Roscrea 13 -3, FAR from convincing...
Was only 3-3 at half time

thebaz · 04-02-2008 07:49PM

Zaga and ref not great , Mary were much bigger and looked a real team , the Mary's no.1 was huge , and zaga hardly won a lineout -- there no 6 was excellent though - it was close with zaga leading up until half time , penalty count was very much in favour to Mary's -- but worthy winners

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