Physical selection for various worldwide Military units

Irish_Army01 · 03-02-2008 12:29AM

Pathfinder wrote: »

What highest level ?

Selection standards are no where near that of the SAS or Delta Force or even that of the Parachute Regiment or Royal Marines.

If it is no longer based on the US army Rangers model (infact selection is almost identical), what unit is it based on ?

The ARW's highest Level.The ARW developed its Own Selection Cse.

Are you saying that a member of the ARW is incapable of passing the Above Units Selection?

Pathfinder · 03-02-2008 12:43AM

How can a unit develop its own special forces training techniques if it has no experience in theatres of conflict apart from peace keeping ?

To put you out of your misery, the C3 function is based on the 22 SAS CRW model, which all special forces are based on. Including the Delta Force.

With the long range Patrol element based on both the US army ranger and Special Air Service models.

Of course some members would be more then capable of passing selection in other units.

I was just contesting the claim selection was based on, " the highest possible standards".

In some ways SAS selection is a bit OTT, lots of very good soldiers are lost via injury, which is why the SRR was created from 14 Int.

Don't get me wrong, the ARW are a professional well trained unit, who could be much more experienced unit, if the republic was in NATO and they were training with other NATO SF units all the time, instead of some of the time.

LegacyUser · 03-02-2008 01:09AM

Pathfinder - I think you'll find that the ARW website is not official - all of the photos on it are in the public domain already. For that reason I wouldn't be too quick to quote from it.

Oilrig · 03-02-2008 01:17AM

It has to be asked...

Do the current HSA regulations apply to the ARW?

If they do, then its all a joke.

Its an issue TD's need to address, especially the guy from Limerick with the penchant to point firearms at the press...

LegacyUser · 03-02-2008 01:29AM

Funny story bout the pre selection course a couple of years ago -

Picture the scene - the course split into two teams to do a combat run with stands to carry out various tasks, team one has gone ahead, team two are following, one stand is to run to the top of the water tower and down as quick as possible and carry on with the run.

Just as the team was about to go up an individual at the front who would have been working in an area dealing with H&S regs stops everyone, takes out a head torch and tells the rest of the team to put the hands on the shoulder of the man in front of them and the other on the hand rail and walk up slowly!!!

No points for guessing who was asked not to turn up for selection!!

So basically - fairly sure the regs don't apply!

Pathfinder · 03-02-2008 02:28AM

The other Royal Marines Special Forces unit, apart from the SBS is the Mountain and Artic Warfare Cadre.

In 1970 the RL Troop became the Mountain & Arctic Warfare Cadre and moved to its present location at Stonehouse Barracks, Plymouth. The following year 3 Commando Brigade returned to the UK after several years in the Far East. The brigade's main mission now was to be on NATO's northern flank and annual exercises were to be conducted in Norway. These were (and are) usually in the winter and in the far north of the country. The M&AW Cadre had a big role to play in preparing the four Commandos for these exercises and Mountain Leaders were attached to all units in the brigade. (43 Commando had already been disbanded and 41 Commando was to follow in 1981.) Soon 3 Commando Brigade was among the world's leading exponents of cold weather warfare, thanks mainly to a small group of specialists who had been developing the necessary expertise for many years.

The Cadre was also given the wartime role of long range foot and ski reconnaissance for the brigade. In the Falklands War of 1982 the twenty members of the Cadre and twenty men undergoing training as MLs accompanied 3 Commando Brigade " down south ". Their war began immediately after the landings of 21 May. Four-man patrols were inserted all over the brigade's area of operations, in some cases relieving patrols of the SAS and SBS, and also mounting operations in cooperation with the latter. On 31 May a patrol spotted Argentine commandos (Buzo Tactico) landing by helicopter near Top Malo House, in the far north of East Falkland and just south of the proposed British route to Port Stanley. A request for an air strike on the Argentinians now setting up base in the house was denied; instead nineteen more MLs under their commander, Captain Rod Boswell, were flown in an hour after dawn. After landing one group opened fire on the Argentines with 66mm rockets and light machine guns, setting the house on fire, while the others began the assault on the enemy. In the subsequent 40 minute battle four MLs were wounded; of the 17 Buzo Tactico, 8 were killed and 9 captured.
The M&AW Cadre operated in the mountains of northern Iraq in 1991, during Operation Haven, the Allied effort to bring aid to the Kurdish separatists then under heavy attack from the Iraqis. MLs worked in cooperation with US Army Special Forces and also the other elements of 3 Commando Brigade in the area. In 1992 it was decided to set up a permanent brigade-level reconnaissance unit. The Recce Troop was formed with the officer and NCOs coming from the Cadre. It has since been separated from the renamed Mountain Leader Training Cadre.

Training
The Mountain Leader Class 2 (ML2) course is open junior officers of the Royal Marines and other ranks who have passed their Junior Command Course i.e. have been promoted to corporal or soon will be. All will have of course passed the Commando tests in their initial period of training (about 15 months for officers, half that for other ranks), and many will have gone on to gain other qualifications, like sniping, anti-tanks or mortars. ML2 training takes about eight months and is considered some of the toughest in the British military. The course starts in September and the first week is spent on the selection phase, at Stonehouse Barracks in Plymouth. Those who are accepted go on to a couple of weeks of climbing in Cornwall, especially on cliffs, and including free climbing (without ropes) at night. Candidates often spend 12 hours a day climbing at this stage. In October the course moves to Wales, for practice in climbing larger mountains. This month also sees the survival course on the Isle of Islay, off the west coast of Scotland, and the first period of resistance to interrogation (RTI) training. In November the candidates begin to combine mountain work with patrolling and raiding. December sees more climbing and preparation for the next phase in northern Norway. Shortly after Christmas the course moves to the rugged and freezing terrain of this area. Here the initial emphasis is on snow and ice climbing techniques and Arctic survival and navigation. Although all candidates would have gone through Arctic Survival and Arctic Warfare training during previous service in Norway, they are now also learning how to instruct on these courses. Candidates could now probably find themselves more often than not 10 000 feet (3000m) up in the mountains, with the temperature dropping to -40 F at night (including wind chill factor ). In February it is time for long distance skiing under the supervision of Norwegian Army instructors. All candidates must qualify as Military Ski Instructors. Before the final exercise in March they are given seven days to prepare. The eleven-day exercise itself involves the four-man patrols ski-marching and climbing up to 40km a day, to carry out a close target reconnaissance and attack and then exfiltration to friendly territory. They will have covered about 300km by this time. All are eventually " captured " and go through the second RTI period. The course ends in April with 3 weeks of pathfinding on Ben Nevis, the highest mountain in Scotland. The pass rate is sometimes as low as 20%. After qualifying most ML2s will return to duty with a Commando, some will be attached to Army units and a few might join the Recce Troop. Every sub-unit in 3 Commando Brigade of company, battery or squadron size has a Mountain Leader( usually a corporal ) attached, who is responsible for mountain and arctic warfare training. MLs are also highly sought after to provide the leadership in each Commando's own Reconnaissance Troop. NCOs may now wear the branch Specialist Qualification badge, " ML " surrounded by a wreath. This is worn on the left cuff of No.1 Dress (" blues") and Lovat service dress (" greens "). RM officers do not wear SQ badges.

Argentinian Special Forces whom the Royal Marines A and MW Cadre defeated in the battle for South Georgia.

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/6417/scan0001421x600vq2.png

Pathfinder · 03-02-2008 01:22PM

Pathfinder wrote: »

The Parachute Regiment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFZv0HKwxIU
In the old days recruits with heat exhaustion were encouraged to continue, such was the regiments competitive ethos, hence deaths.

The 8 Tests
1)10 miler A 10 mile march conducted as a squad over undulating terrain. Each candidate carries a 35lb bergen and a rifle. The march is currently to be completed in 1 hour 50 minutes (TA candidates have 2 hours).

2)Trainasium A unique assault course set several metres above the ground, to test a candidates' determination and ability to overcome fear. This is the only event which is a straight pass or fail; all the other events are scored. The total score required to pass is known only to the P Coy staff.

3)Log Race A team event, where 8 men carry a log (a telegraph pole) weighing 60kg over 1.9 miles of undulating terrain. This is reckoned to be one of the hardest events.

4)2 Mile Run An individual effort run across 2 miles of undulating terrain, carrying a 35lb bergan (not including water), rifle, combat jacket, and helmet. Regular candidates have 18 minutes, TA candidates have 19 minutes to complete the run.
5)Steeplechase A 1.8 mile cross-country run, followed by an assault course. Candidates are under a time limit to complete the event.

6)Milling In this event, candidates are paired with another candidate of similar size and build, and have 60 seconds to demonstrate 'controlled physical aggression' in a milling contest, similar to boxing, except neither winning or losing, nor skill are pre-requisites of passing; candidates are instead scored on determination, and blocking and dodging results in points being deducted. Candidates now wear gloves, head protection, and boxing gloves.

7)Endurance March A 20 mile march as a squad over a 20 mile course. Candidates are carrying a 35lb bergen and a rifle; the march must be completed in 4 and a half hours. TA candidates do not participate in this event, due to their reduced oppurtunity to prepare for the course.

8)Stretcher Race Candidates are divided into teams of 16 men, and have to carry a 175lb stretcher over a distance of 5 miles, each individual candidate wearing webbing and a helmet. No more that 4 candidates carry the stretcher at any given time, swapping round at regular intevals so that all candidates carry the stretcher for a certain distance.
Maroon Beret On completing P Coy, candidates are either given a pass or fail,

On completing P Coy, candidates are either given a pass or fail, depending on their score. Those who pass earn the right to wear the maroon beret, and go on to undergo the Basic Parachute Course at RAF Brize Norton.
The Parachute Regiment Official Site - P Company
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P_company"
depending on their score. Those who pass earn the right to wear the maroon beret, and go on to undergo the Basic Parachute Course at RAF Brize Norton.
The Parachute Regiment Official Site - P Company
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P_company"

Pre Para selection training workout, which is progressive and gives the candidate a chance to avoid stress fractures at depot Para, when they suddenly find themselves Tabbing with heavy kit.

·Bergen Workout
March up and down a hill repeatedly for the time stated in boots.

·Hill Sprints
5 min warm up run to the hill. Stretch. Jog to the bottom, turn round and sprint 100% to the top. Rest for 60 secs, and repeat. Do 10.

Week 1

T Day 1 – 4 mile run. (8 minute/mile)
W Day2 – Gym workout. + 3 mile run (7 minute/mile)
T Day3 – 4 mile run (8 minute/mile)
F Day4 – Home Workout
S Day5 – 1 hour cycle
S Day6 – Hill Sprints
M Day7 – 3 mile run – BEST EFFORT.

Week 2

T Day8 – Home Workout
W Day9 – 4.5 mile run – (8 minute/mile)
T Day10 – Gym Workout
F Day11 – BFT.
S Day12 – 1 hour cycle
S Day13 – 30 minute Bergen Workout – 15lbs. No running.
M Day14 – Hill Sprints

Week 3

T Day15 – rest – no exercise
W Day16 – rest – include MAX pushups every morning and night
T Day17 – rest - include MAX pushups every morning and night
F Day18 – rest – no exercise
S Day19 – Home Workout. And 4 mile run in under 30 minutes.
S Day20 – Home Workout
M Day21 – 45 minute Bergen Workout– 25lbs – no running.

Week 4

T Day22 – BFT
W Day23 - Upper Body Circuit. 50 minutes.
T Day24 – 4 mile run – BEST EFFORT
F Day25 – Hill Sprints
S Day26 – 40 Minute Fartlek run.
S Day27 – 1 hour Bergen Workout – 25lbs – no running.
M Day28 – Home Workout

Week 5

T Day29 – 5 mile run (8 minute/mile)
W Day30 – Home Workout
T Day31 – BFT
F Day32 – 45 Minute Fartlek Run
S Day33 – rest – no exercise
S Day34 – rest – include MAX pushups every morning and night
M Day35 – rest - include MAX pushups every morning and night

Week 6

T Day36 – rest – no exercise
W Day37 – 4 mile run in under 28 minutes.
T Day38 – Home Workout
F Day39 - 5 mile run (8 minute/mile) – 40 minutes
S Day40 – Hill Sprints
S Day41 – Gym Workout
M Day42 –2 miler – 35lb Bergen – Under 18:45. (In boots)

Week 7

T Day43 – 5 mile run in under 40 minutes.
W Day44 – Home Workout
T Day45 - 40 Minute Fartlek run.
F Day46 – Home Workout.
S Day47 – AM – BFT. PM – 4 mile run in under 28 minutes.
S Day48 – 5 mile run – BEST EFFORT
M Day49 – Hill Sprints

Week 8

T Day50 – 2 miler – 35lb Bergen – Under 18:30 (In boots)
W Day51 - rest – no exercise
T Day52 - rest - include MAX pushups every morning and night
F Day53 - rest – no exercise
S Day54 - 5 mile run (7 minute/miles) 35 minutes.
S Day55 – Home workout
M Day56 - 1 hour Fartlek run.

Week 9

T Day57 – Hill Sprints and Home Workout.
W Day58 – 5 mile run (7 minute/miles) 35 minutes.
T Day59 – BFT. ........................................BFT 1.5 Miles...9.30 Minutes (boots)
F Day60 – Gentle 30 minute run.
S Day61 – REST – NO exercise.

REPORT TO ITC CATTERICK PARA DEPOT
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Pathfinder · 03-02-2008 01:45PM

More Rhodesian Selous Scout selection pics.

Here a Selous Scout candidate is made to paint rocks to correspond with his class roster number. These are the rocks he will carry on his marches. The paint prevents him from dumping them out and replacing them at a later time.

Instructors inspect the painting of the rocks and conduct a weigh in of the loads to be carried by the candidates.

The gutting and preparing of the rotten baboon the candidates are made to eat. The candidates are not fed for days and made to observe the rotten decomposing baboon all week, till they are told to eat it. At this point must are quite willing.

The infamous decomposing Baboon.

A candidate working the rope obstacles, here he is conducting a "commando traverse".

More of the dreaded rope obstacles which were famous for shredding hands.

newby.204 · 03-02-2008 02:01PM

for the life of me i cant find it on the net, but as far as i know the arw finished ahead of quite a number of europes top sf, inc the sas, in an inter army sf compo at some stage in the not so distant past!! i think gsg9 were first!! yes vague i know but i cant find the f""k!n artcile!!

Pathfinder · 03-02-2008 02:10PM

newby.204 wrote: »

for the life of me i cant find it on the net, but as far as i know the arw finished ahead of quite a number of europes top sf, inc the sas, in an inter army sf compo at some stage in the not so distant past!! i think gsg9 were first!! yes vague i know but i cant find the f""k!n artcile!!

Yes, the ARW have done well in the past in a shooting and orienteeering, and other event competition against other "SF units" (as far as I am aware US and UK SF do not have the manpower to spare to take part in competitions), It was an armed Austrian Police unit who won it, followed by an Italian Police paramilitary unit, the ARW came third...GSG 9 were not in the "competition".

http://shadowspear.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1470

Apparently a member of the ARW said, "I am suprised the SAS never took part, they only enter things they think they will win"..............Nothing to do with being engaged in various global conflicts, and stretched to capacity..to take part in "competitions" against Police units ?

There is something vaguely sad about SF's units mainly from countries who have not been involved in conflict taking part in "SF competitions" against mainly Police units and claiming to be the " third best in the world" while others are out fighting and dying in real conflicts.

It is not tactical operational reality, and in tactical reality in the past against republicans how did the ARW perform ?

Curious as well, that that instructors from the gung ho ERU had to be sent over to England to be retrained by Scotland yards S019 armed Police unit (whos instructors are in turn trained by 22 SAS), why were the ARW instructors who originally trained them not used ? em.

Irish_Army01 · 03-02-2008 04:57PM

Pathfinder wrote: »

Curious as well, that that instructors from the gung ho ERU had to be sent over to England to be retrained by Scotland yards S019 armed Police unit (whos instructors are in turn trained by 22 SAS), why were the ARW instructors who originally trained them not used ? em.

They didn't go over to get "retrained" but for further training. and I believe it was Germany they went to.

minidazzler · 03-02-2008 06:00PM

Pathfinder, Have you ever served in any military? Even the RDF? You seem very erm..Waltish.

You type about na Fianóglach in a very condescending manner.

These "Facts" you state are from other websites and Hearsay.

You call the ERU "gung ho" They have shot very few people and are known to use way too much restraint.

Another point you made is "retrained" There is Alot of crosstraining between specialist units the Western World.

You say the Rangers see little action. (I am Paraphrasing). How do you know this? Is there no way that they could be doing stuff that we dont hear about.

Most people dont claim that the Rangers are the Best in the World. The General concensus is they are among the Best TRAINED in the world.

This could have been a good thread if it wasnt based on other Websites and just general Waltyness.

eroo · 03-02-2008 08:33PM

US Rangers are advanced infantry.
ARW are special forces.Selection does not define a unit,it's calibre and roles do.
Do you honestly think the DF would allow every detail/aspect of selection to become public info?The whole point of selection is to test you,and you will never know what is coming around the corner..hence..A TEST.
What gives you the right to decide that ARW are not special forces?Do you know every aspect of their SOP's,and how they operate/what missions they would be tasked with?The reason none of us do is because they are special forces,who must remain secretive at all times..just like SAS,SBS,SEALs,Delta Force etc etc.Just like any other special forces unit,they have a sniper section,parachute section and diver/boat section alongside CT teams.Still think they are similiar to the Para's?
Just because you think their selection is easy(which I have been told,it most certainly is not) you think you can label some of the finest units in the world.You seem to be spouting absolute ****e here,taking some of your info from wikipedia:rolleyes:.

Just because ARW haven't had movies made about them,or 'Are You Tough Enough' series,does not mean they are not SF.Fact is,we will never know half of the things ARW have done/will do,just like any other SF unit.Forget about the Andy McArseagons!Put down Bravo Two Zero and take your head out of your arse!

eroo · 03-02-2008 08:36PM

Curious as well, that that instructors from the gung ho ERU had to be sent over to England to be retrained by Scotland yards S019 armed Police unit (whos instructors are in turn trained by 22 SAS), why were the ARW instructors who originally trained them not used ? em.

Any evidence or just pure BS!?AFAIK,the ERU do not cross train w/ CO19(I may be corrected on this).Also,the SAS do not train every SFO w/ CO19..some teams will take part in ex's with SAS..just like ERU and ARW

minidazzler · 03-02-2008 08:42PM

eroo wrote: »

US Rangers are advanced infantry.
ARW are special forces.Selection does not define a unit,it's calibre and roles do.
Do you honestly think the DF would allow every detail/aspect of selection to become public info?The whole point of selection is to test you,and you will never know what is coming around the corner..hence..A TEST.
What gives you the right to decide that ARW are not special forces?Do you know every aspect of their SOP's,and how they operate/what missions they would be tasked with?The reason none of us do is because they are special forces,who must remain secretive at all times..just like SAS,SBS,SEALs,Delta Force etc etc.Just like any other special forces unit,they have a sniper section,parachute section and diver/boat section alongside CT teams.Still think they are similiar to the Para's?
Just because you think their selection is easy(which I have been told,it most certainly is not) you think you can label some of the finest units in the world.You seem to be spouting absolute ****e here,taking some of your info from wikipedia:rolleyes:.

Just because ARW haven't had movies made about them,or 'Are You Tough Enough' series,does not mean they are not SF.Fact is,we will never know half of the things ARW have done/will do,just like any other SF unit.Forget about the Andy McArseagons!Put down Bravo Two Zero and take your head out of your arse!

Very Well Said eroo.

Flying · 03-02-2008 08:53PM

Pathfinder wrote: »

Rhodesian Selous Scouts (Now defunct), NCOs were usually ex SAS who had fought in Malaya and Kenya.

Perhaps the best comment on the fighting ability of the Selous Scouts is the fact that during Rhodesia’s anti-terrorist war they accounted for more dead ‘terrs’ than the rest of the Rhodesian Army combined. Formed in 1974 as the Tracker Combat Unit and eventually performing long range recon missions, tracking terrorists internally, and undertaking cross border raids against terrorist strongholds, the Selous Scouts were highly skilled, parachute trained long range recon/raiders. Their selection process was somewhat similar to that of the British SAS. In addition to parachute training, bush survival and tracking were emphasized during Scout training. Clandestine and counter-guerrilla skills were also taught. The Selous Scouts normally made operational jumps from about 500 feet using the T10 static-line parachute, but many members within the unit were also free-fall parachutist trained.
In August, 1976, the Selous Scouts launched the first cross border strike against terrorist bases in Mozambique. In that raid alone, they killed 1,184 terrorists. Later, the Selous Scouts under took many missions in conjunction with the Rhodesian SAS which had a strength of 110 men, many of them former members of the British SAS

ONE

The Selous Scouts as a regiment did not have a traditional Color, but a Standard. The dangling fly-wisks on the Standard are traditional protectors against evil spirits.

During bushcraft / survival training Selous Scouts are made to drink the innards of gutted game animals. Due to the many valuable nutrients that may be drunken to supplement ones diet in extreme situations.

Two Selous Scouts conducting night SCUBA training perform the back-roll method of entry into the water. They are training with open-circuit rigs, which emit the tell-tail bubbles.

A rubber raiding craft loaded with Selous Scouts performing night training operations. Which will encompass boat handling and SCUBA diving.

A Selous Scout being inserted by helicopter with a tracking dog, to close the gap on a follow-up operation.

Selous Scouts rapidly exiting an aging DC-3, via static-line parachute.

All Selous Scouts were trained static-line parachutist, with many also being free-fall trained.

Learning to gut and quarter game was an essential skill taught to all Selous Scouts during there time at the Tracking and Bushcraft course.

Here two Selous Scouts remove the innards of what appears to be a antelope. Scouts were also trained to eat rotten carcasses by boiling. This technique would only work once, if the scout reheated the meat a second time it would poison through a chemical change in the meat.

Here a Selous Scout instructor is teaching the finer points of botany. By describing signs to look for to retrieve water from vines and not poisons or irritants.

Selous Scout instructor demonstrating how to retrieve water from a vine.

My Uncle was one of the and was in the RLI then went south and joined up with the South African Army theres a blast from the past, a lot of irish served in the Scouts and RLI

Flying · 03-02-2008 08:55PM

Interesting info but all can be got off the net but interesting all the same.

Have you actually served with any military organisation at all ?

Pathfinder · 03-02-2008 08:56PM

eroo wrote: »

US Rangers are advanced infantry.
ARW are special forces.Selection does not define a unit,it's calibre and roles do.
Do you honestly think the DF would allow every detail/aspect of selection to become public info?The whole point of selection is to test you,and you will never know what is coming around the corner..hence..A TEST.
What gives you the right to decide that ARW are not special forces?Do you know every aspect of their SOP's,and how they operate/what missions they would be tasked with?The reason none of us do is because they are special forces,who must remain secretive at all times..just like SAS,SBS,SEALs,Delta Force etc etc.Just like any other special forces unit,they have a sniper section,parachute section and diver/boat section alongside CT teams.Still think they are similiar to the Para's?
Just because you think their selection is easy(which I have been told,it most certainly is not) you think you can label some of the finest units in the world.You seem to be spouting absolute ****e here,taking some of your info from wikipedia:rolleyes:.

Just because ARW haven't had movies made about them,or 'Are You Tough Enough' series,does not mean they are not SF.Fact is,we will never know half of the things ARW have done/will do,just like any other SF unit.Forget about the Andy McArseagons!Put down Bravo Two Zero and take your head out of your arse!

Details of SAS selection are avalible, knowing how far a unit marches and how much kit it carries etc does not compromise it.

Where did I say the ARW weren't SF ?

As I stated what separates the ARW from elite infantry is its C3 role.

The Parachute regiment has a long range Pathfinder units, sniper units, its soldiers are also trained in helicopter repelling, unlike many Rangers.

Elements of the Parachute Regiment now forms the SPSG.....

No they not similar to the Paras in as much as the Paras are a vastly more experienced unit. The ARW have very little combat experience.

http://www.army.mod.uk/para/1bn.htm

On completion of your first 2 years in 2 or 3 PARA you may be selected for a tour with 1 PARA who form the Special Forces Support Group (SFSG). The SFSG provides specialist infantry support to Special Forces, such as the SAS, anywhere in the world. The basic skills required to serve in 1 PARA are those you will have gained in your training and during your time in 2 or 3 PARA. You will receive further training on additional weapons, communications equipment and specialist assault skills.

I think putting a unit that has virtually no combat experience and limited access to advanced training along side the likes of the SAS, Delta Force etc and some claiming its one of the worlds top units is arrogant in the extreme.

Flying · 03-02-2008 08:59PM

minidazzler wrote: »

Very Well Said eroo.

Ditto selection for the ARW is far from easy but again their roles are Primarily Green although they can be tasked for black operations.

They are also the testing ground for much of the newer equipment coming into the mainstream.

The wing has changed from the 80's where most were very mature and solid types now in general there are a lot of muppets down there, not all but a lot of cowboys, which the older guys have no time for. But thats my 5cents

headzilla · 03-02-2008 09:03PM

Nobody knows what really goes on with the wing and thats what truly makes them elite, This fella is spouting out nonsense he's read off a website. Its worth nothing if you don't have first hand knowledge

Pathfinder · 03-02-2008 09:10PM

eroo wrote: »

Any evidence or just pure BS!?AFAIK,the ERU do not cross train w/ CO19(I may be corrected on this).Also,the SAS do not train every SFO w/ CO19..some teams will take part in ex's with SAS..just like ERU and ARW

SO19 has recently been renamed CO19.

Instructors were indeed sent over, it was in the press around 4 years ago.

Manic Moran · 03-02-2008 09:13PM

I still think they're all nutters.

NTM

Flying · 03-02-2008 09:13PM

You did'nt answer our questions have you ever been in an army ?

Pathfinder · 03-02-2008 09:20PM

minidazzler wrote: »

Pathfinder, Have you ever served in any military? Even the RDF? You seem very erm..Waltish.

You type about na Fianóglach in a very condescending manner.

These "Facts" you state are from other websites and Hearsay.

You call the ERU "gung ho" They have shot very few people and are known to use way too much restraint.

Another point you made is "retrained" There is Alot of crosstraining between specialist units the Western World.

You say the Rangers see little action. (I am Paraphrasing). How do you know this? Is there no way that they could be doing stuff that we dont hear about.

Most people dont claim that the Rangers are the Best in the World. The General concensus is they are among the Best TRAINED in the world.

This could have been a good thread if it wasnt based on other Websites and just general Waltyness.

Whos consensus ?

How can a unit which has no training until recently in heliciopter repelling,no training in jungle warfare, desert warfare, artic and mountain warfare, performed badly at op back home, has limited access to equipment and which has never fought in a conflict be the best trained in the world ?

This is extreme arrogance.

The ERU were armed with highly inaccurate Uzis in one op in 91 they opened up on bankrobbers with combat shotguns and uzis, wounding 28 members of the public RTE said it was a successful operation.

eroo · 03-02-2008 09:21PM

Details of SAS selection are avalible, knowing how far a unit marches and how much kit it carrries etc does not compromise it.

Where did I say the ARW weren't SF ?

As I stated what sepertes the ARW from elite infantry is its C3.

The Parachute regiment has a long range Pathfinder units, sniper units, its soldiers are also trained in helicopter repelling,

The Parachute Regiment now forms the SPSG.....

No they not similar to the Paras in as much as the Paras are a vastly more experienced unit.

http://www.army.mod.uk/para/1bn.htm

On completion of your first 2 years in 2 or 3 PARA you may be selected for a tour with 1 PARA who form the Special Forces Support Group (SFSG). The SFSG provides specialist infantry support to Special Forces, such as the SAS, anywhere in the world. The basic skills required to serve in 1 PARA are those you will have gained in your training and during your time in 2 or 3 PARA. You will receive further training on additional weapons, communications equipment and specialist assault skills.

Yes,details of marches/distances do compromise selection.That is why the SAS no longer use the Brecon Beacons as much,if at all.

1 Para are indeed a Special Forces Support Group..they are not on the same level as ARW.Do you think ''an elite light infantry unit'' would train alongside Delta Force,SEALs,NZSAS,A-SAS etc?Or send just 50 men to an isolated location strife with conflict?
You cannot compare ARW with Para's..yes there are similiarities between certain aspects of ARW and Para's..just like there are similiarities between certain aspects of SAS and Para's..but that does not mean they are on the same level.

Pathfinder · 03-02-2008 09:22PM

Flying wrote: »

You did'nt answer our questions have you ever been in an army ?

Ever heard of 3 Para ?

eroo · 03-02-2008 09:24PM

Pathfinder...you are the definition of a Walt

eroo · 03-02-2008 09:26PM

ARW didn't just start jungle warfare,rappeling etc in the last couple of years.

It wasn't 28 wounded,more like 4 or 5..ERU have come along way since then.

Lads,can someone open a window in here...the smell of bull**** is unbearable..

Pathfinder · 03-02-2008 09:29PM

eroo wrote: »

Yes,details of marches/distances do compromise selection.That is why the SAS no longer use the Brecon Beacons as much,if at all.

1 Para are indeed a Special Forces Support Group..they are not on the same level as ARW.Do you think ''an elite light infantry unit'' would train alongside Delta Force,SEALs,NZSAS,A-SAS etc?Or send just 50 men to an isolated location strife with conflict?
You cannot compare ARW with Para's..yes there are similiarities between certain aspects of ARW and Para's..just like there are similiarities between certain aspects of SAS and Para's..but that does not mean they are on the same level.

The Parachute Regiment are a more experienced and better trained unit, fact.

They also have far more experience of SF ops fact.

The difference is they do not have a CRW/C3 role, as the ARW do. But they do play an active role in SF operations.

"on 25 August, "A" Company of 1 PARA was deployed to Dakar, Senegal on 5 September, then onto Freetown. Five RIR soldiers had been released on 30 August but after the rebels carried out mock executions, "A Company and the Special Air Service, supported by two Army Air Corps helicopters, launched a rescue attempt (Operation Barras) on 10 September, successfully releasing the soldiers and capturing many rebels, including their leader, Foday Kallay. As well as recovering the two Land Rovers that the soldiers of the RIR were ambushed in while patrolling."

Pathfinder · 03-02-2008 09:30PM

eroo wrote: »

Pathfinder...you are the definition of a Walt

And you saw action with......................

Physical selection for various worldwide Military units

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