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Physical selection for various worldwide Military units

  • 01-02-2008 9:48pm
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    I will start with the SAS.

    ........If anyone wants to add or correct any errors..feel free.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHQ_BqQE7DE&feature=related

    Soldiers get up about 4am every morning and are not allowed to use roads. If they do, then they are disqualified. The most difficult part of selection is the Brecon Beacons - anybody who has walked them, will know exactly just how physically exhausting they are.
    After a day or so, the old equipment you have been given is starting to cut into you, giving crippling blisters and sores. The best soldiers don't give up because of this - they go to the Medical Officer at night, and then get up with the rest of the recruits, ready for another day's hell the following morning. In selection, you are expected to be fit, but you've also got to be intelligent. Numbed by pain, you'll be given tasks to do at rendezvous points (RVs), such as stripping a foreign weapon and then reassembling it.
    This continues for three weeks, with the recruits managing about four hours' sleep a night. The next part of selection is imaginatively called 'Test Week'.
    [FONT=Trebuchet MS, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Test Week[/FONT]
    Test week consists basically of six marches, the first being 17 miles long requiring the soldier to march with a 30k pack on his back while map reading, marches get longer every day. However, that's not all. Test week culminates in the 'Long Drag'; a 45-mile march across mountinous terrain which has to be completed in 20 hours.


    The Long Drag is a slang term referring to the event that is the culmination of the Fitness and Navigation phase of selection for the British Special Air Service. The event is also known simply as Endurance. It is a 45 mile hike over the Brecon Beacons of Wales. Candidates carry a pack that weighs 55 lbs, not including water, food or rifle, and they must complete the route in less than 20 hours. The candidates cannot use trails and all navigation is done by map, compass and memorized grid references. The event is made harder because the candidates are already exhausted by the previous four weeks' marches and runs.[1]


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Pathfinder


    Royal Marines

    The infamous 30 miler


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9egBbD_sRA8

    Assault course


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7HtnsP7ZiE&feature=related




    The Commando Course

    The culmination of training is a period known as the Commando Course. Following the Royal Marines taking on responsibility for the Commando Role with the disbandment of the Army Commandos at the end of World War II, all Royal Marines, except those in the Royal Marines Band Service, complete the Commando course as part of their training (see below). Key aspects of the course include climbing and ropework techniques, patrolling, and amphibious operations.
    This intense phase ends with a series of tests which have remained virtually unchanged since World War II. Again, these tests are done with a "fighting order" of 32 lb (14.5kg) of equipment.
    The commando tests are taken on consecutive days; they include;
    • A nine-mile (14.5 km) speed march, carrying full fighting order, to be completed in 90 minutes; the pace is thus 10 minutes per mile (6 min/km or 6 mph).
    • The Endurance course is a six mile, (9.65 km), course across rough terrain at Woodbury Common near Lympstone, which includes tunnels, pipes, wading pools, and an underwater culvert. The course ends with a four-mile (6 km) run back to CTCRM. Followed by a marksmanship test, where the recruit must hit 6 out of 10 shots at a target representing a fig. 11 target at 200 m. To be completed in 73 minutes (71 minutes for Royal Marine officers), these times were recently increased by one minute as the route of the course was altered. The Course ends at the 25m range where the recruit must then put at least 6 out of 10 shots on target without cleaning their weapon.
    • The Tarzan Assault Course. This is an assault course combined with an aerial confidence test. It starts with a death slide and ends with a rope climb up a thirty foot vertical wall. It must be completed with full fighting order in 13 minutes, 12 minutes for Royal Marine officers. The Potential Officers Course also includes confidence tests from the Tarzan Assault Course, although not with equipment.
    • The Thirty miler. This is a 30 mile (48 km) march across Dartmoor, wearing fighting order, and additional safety equipment. It must be completed in 8 hours for recruits and 7 hours for Royal Marine officers, who must also navigate the route themselves, rather than following a DS with the rest of a syndicate and carry their own equipment.
    The day after the 30 mile (48 km) march, any who failed any of the tests may attempt to retake them.
    Completing the Commando Course successfully entitles the recruit or officer to wear the coveted green beret but does not mean that the Royal Marine has finished his training. That decision will be made by the troop or batch training team and will depend on the recruit's or young officer's overall performance. Furthermore, officer training still consists of many more months.
    Training to be a Royal Marine takes 32 weeks. The last week is mainly administration and preparing for the pass out parade. Recruits in their final week of training are known as the King's Squad.
    After basic and commando training, a Royal Marine Commando will normally join a unit of 3 Commando Brigade. There are three Royal Marines Commando infantry units in the Brigade: 40 Commando located at Norton Manor Camp near Taunton in Somerset, 42 Commando at Bickleigh Barracks, near Plymouth, Devon, and 45 Commando at RM Condor, Arbroath on the east coast of Scotland.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Pathfinder


    US Marines :

    All recruits must pass an Initial Strength Test to start training. Recruits who fail to do so are placed in a Physical Conditioning Platoon, where they receive individualized attention and training until the minimum standards are reached. Marine recruit training is the longest among the American military services; it is 13 weeks long, compared to the U.S. Army's 10 weeks.
    Following recruit training, enlisted US Marines then attend School of Infantry training at Camp Geiger or Camp Pendleton, generally based upon where the Marine received their recruit training. Infantry Marines begin their Military Occupational Specialty (MOS) training, which is 52-days long, immediately with the Infantry Training Battalion (ITB). Marines in all other MOSs train for 22 days in Marine Combat Training (MCT), learning common infantry skills, before continuing on to their MOS schools which vary in length.[62]



    The PFT consists of three tests. The tests are pull-ups (men) / flexed arm hang (women), crunches, and a 3-mile run. These events are designed to test the strength and stamina of the upper body (shoulder girdle), the midsection, and the lower body. Additionally, the run measures the efficiency of the cardiovascular system.




    There are also minimum standards that must be achieved. Failure to meet the required minimum in any event constitutes failure of the entire test, regardless of total number of points earned. The minimum is 3 pull-ups and 15 seconds on the flexed arm hang. For crunches, it is the same for both males and females, but the minimum decreases as you get older (starting at 50). For the 3-mile run, the minimum is different for males and females, and the standard also increases as you get older (starting at 28 and 31 minutes respectively). See the test descriptions of more details about the minimum standards.

    The Crucible

    The Crucible is the culmination of everything a basic rifleman Marine should know. It is three days of constant strenuous testing, humping (Marine term for hiking in full gear), hardship, punishment, and starvation. The recruit is given four field stripped MRE's (Meaning all thats left is the main meal and side meals, taking away any candy, condiments, and such), and this is meant to supply them for the next three days. Worthy of note, is that while some recruits have food to spare at the end of this ordeal, others consume their rations quickly, and when they become hungry, other recruits aid their fellows, some even giving their last bit of food to another. This is one of the goals of the crucible: to train Marines to look out for one another. This also distinguishes leaders among the recruits, something the Drill Instructors look for in their platoons. The crucible consists of certain challenges for the recruits, broken into platoons, to accomplish as a whole, or failed as a whole. One single recruit completing an obstacle means almost nothing. If anyone fails, it means that those that completed it failed to aid their fellow recruit in the accomplishment of their given mission. This is perhaps the ultimate goal of the crucible: to instill in potential Marines that completing the mission is paramount to anything else. Added to these tasks, the recruits only get 3-4 hours of sleep over the course of these three days, adding the very real element of fatigue to the situations. The final day of the crucible, recruits are awaken after an hour or two of sleeping under the stars (the other two nights they have tents), and begin their final march (On the West coast this begins the 'Reaper' March).

    [edit] The Reaper

    The Reaper March is the single most challenging activity for West Coast recruits. They are awakened before sunrise, pack up their bivouac site, and begin their march. They march for about 2-3 miles, coming back to their start point. From here, they begin the 2 mile hump to the reaper. At the base of the Reaper, they get an orange from the Docs, and a Motivational speech from their company First Sgt. At this, they begin to march, by platoon. The reaper is a series of extremely steep inclines, separated by short plateaus. The goal is to complete the hump as a platoon, though this is incredibly difficult as the recruits are already exhausted, hungry, and tired. The meaning of this hump becomes clear as recruits must motivate not only themselves, but also their fellows to succeed. At the summit, the recruits are assembled by platoon, in front of a series of posters depicting Medal of Honor recipients, and their stories


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,647 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    US Army Physical Test:

    Pulse.

    NTM


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Pathfinder


    US army Rangers :


    Ever wanted to put on the Ranger Tab on your Army uniform? As with any of the Special Operations units in the U.S. military, to become a Ranger takes endurance, stamina, intelligence and mental toughness. The training is broken up into three phases: Fort Benning Phase, Mountain Phase, and Florida Phase.

    The Benning Phase is executed in two parts and lasts for a total of 20 days. As with most Special Operations units, the first phase is very physical. You will be required to perform an Army Ranger Physical Fitness Test consisting of the following:

    Push-ups - 49+
    Sit-ups - 59+
    Chin ups - 6+
    2 mile run in running shoes in 15:12 minutes or less

    Other physical requirements and tests:
    Combat water survival test
    5-mile runs
    3-mile runs with an obstacle course
    16-mile foot march
    Night and day land navigation tests

    To be competitive in any of these physical tests, the future Ranger students must not strive for the minimum standards above, but must maximize their personal physical effort and strive for the following:

    Pushups – 80-100
    Situps – 80-100
    Chin ups – 15-20
    2 mile run – under 13:00

    However, the most important pre-training exercise to do prior to Ranger school is walking fast in your boots with 50 pounds of weight on your back. You will do this everyday you are at Ranger School. Running at least 5 miles, 3-4 times a week and swimming in uniform 2-3 times a week is recommended as well. Pack on 5-10 pounds of body weight prior to going so you have a little to lose when you are consuming fewer calories a day.

    The second part of First Phase has obstacle courses and long ruck marches as a major part of the physical fitness requirements. However, the fundamentals of patrolling and small unit tactics are the focus of this part of the Benning Phase. These graded field exercises include ambush and reconnaissance patrols, close quarters combat, airborne operations, and air assault operations. The Ranger student must then demonstrate his expertise through a series of cadre and student-led tactical patrol operations.

    The second phase, or Mountain phase lasts 20 days and nights and teaches students to operate in small units while sustaining themselves and their subordinates in the adverse conditions of the mountains. The rugged terrain, hunger, and sleep deprivation are the biggest causes of emotional stress that students encounter. Students will eat, sleep and operate in these conditions for 3 weeks, usually eating no more than 1-2 MREs a day (Meals Ready to Eat).

    The third phase, or Florida phase, teaches small boat operations, ship to shore operations, stream-crossing techniques, and skills needed to survive and operate in a jungle and swamp environment. This phase lasts 16 days and nights and tests the patrolling and leadership techniques of every Ranger.

    Ranger School is a grueling school due to the long hours of walking with your gear, sleeping in the field and eating 1-2 meals less a day than normal. Many students lose 20-30 pounds in the 56 day school. But the school teaches the Ranger he can overcome insurmountable challenges while under simulated combat conditions. Ranger school has honed the professional skills and techniques necessary to conduct small unit operations. And of course, he can wear the well deserved Ranger Tab on his shoulder.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Pathfinder


    US Army Physical Test:

    Pulse.

    NTM


    Feel free to expand.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Pathfinder


    Irish Army Ranger Wing
    The ARW selection course lasts approximately three weeks, and comprises intense physical and mentally demanding tests and evaluations, including a number of "Ranger tests". These include:
    • Abseiling - Assesses a student's confidence when working at height
    • Bridge jump - Tests a student’s confidence in water
    • River crossing - Evaluates a student’s ability to work in a team
    • Claustrophobia - Tests a student’s ability to work with his equipment in confined spaces
    • Gym tests - Tests a students muscular endurance and strength while performing a set number of exercises
    • 10km run - Tests a students cardio-vascular endurance over a set distance and time
    • Mountain walk - Tests a student’s endurance over a set uphill march, while carrying a medium load
    • Hill circuit - Tests a students stamina and strength over a set cross-country course, while carrying a light load
    • Forced march “cross-country” - Tests a student’s stamina and strength over a set cross-country course and time while carrying a medium load
    • Forced march "road" - A group test to assess the student’s tolerance of pressure over a set course and time, while carrying a medium load
    • Route march - A group test to assess the students overall stamina, endurance and strength during a forced march over the mountains while carrying a medium load
    If a student passes selection they go on to a six month ranger basic skills course where they learn the skills required to be a ranger. The course includes long range recce, unarmed combat in Krav Maga, anti-terrorist and CQB skills, advanced first aid, advanced combat shooting and parachuting.
    Upon passing this selection course and probationary period they then earn the right to wear the prestigious Green beret [1].

    URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Irish_Army_Rangers&action=edit&section=4"][COLOR=#0066cc]edit[/COLOR][/URL Command and Communications


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Got any details on the Parachute Regiment? A guy I went to school with collapsed and died on the final march of the selection for the paras. He was going to pass with flying colours as well.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Pathfinder


    The Parachute Regiment

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFZv0HKwxIU
    In the old days recruits with heat exhaustion were encouraged to continue, such was the regiments competitive ethos, hence deaths.

    The 8 Tests
    1)10 miler A 10 mile march conducted as a squad over undulating terrain. Each candidate carries a 35lb bergen and a rifle. The march is currently to be completed in 1 hour 50 minutes (TA candidates have 2 hours).

    2)Trainasium A unique assault course set several metres above the ground, to test a candidates' determination and ability to overcome fear. This is the only event which is a straight pass or fail; all the other events are scored. The total score required to pass is known only to the P Coy staff.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vKH5vj9LLU&feature=related

    3)Log Race A team event, where 8 men carry a log (a telegraph pole) weighing 60kg over 1.9 miles of undulating terrain. This is reckoned to be one of the hardest events.

    4)2 Mile Run An individual effort run across 2 miles of undulating terrain, carrying a 35lb bergan (not including water), rifle, combat jacket, and helmet. Regular candidates have 18 minutes, TA candidates have 19 minutes to complete the run.
    5)Steeplechase A 1.8 mile cross-country run, followed by an assault course. Candidates are under a time limit to complete the event.

    6)Milling In this event, candidates are paired with another candidate of similar size and build, and have 60 seconds to demonstrate 'controlled physical aggression' in a milling contest, similar to boxing, except neither winning or losing, nor skill are pre-requisites of passing; candidates are instead scored on determination, and blocking and dodging results in points being deducted. Candidates now wear gloves, head protection, and boxing gloves.

    7)Endurance March A 20 mile march as a squad over a 20 mile course. Candidates are carrying a 35lb bergen and a rifle; the march must be completed in 4 and a half hours. TA candidates do not participate in this event, due to their reduced oppurtunity to prepare for the course.

    8)Stretcher Race Candidates are divided into teams of 16 men, and have to carry a 175lb stretcher over a distance of 5 miles, each individual candidate wearing webbing and a helmet. No more that 4 candidates carry the stretcher at any given time, swapping round at regular intevals so that all candidates carry the stretcher for a certain distance.
    Maroon Beret On completing P Coy, candidates are either given a pass or fail,


    On completing P Coy, candidates are either given a pass or fail, depending on their score. Those who pass earn the right to wear the maroon beret, and go on to undergo the Basic Parachute Course at RAF Brize Norton.
    The Parachute Regiment Official Site - P Company
    Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P_company"
    depending on their score. Those who pass earn the right to wear the maroon beret, and go on to undergo the Basic Parachute Course at RAF Brize Norton.
    The Parachute Regiment Official Site - P Company
    Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P_company"


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,647 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Ever wanted to put on the Ranger Tab on your Army uniform? As with any of the Special Operations units in the U.S. military, to become a Ranger takes endurance, stamina, intelligence and mental toughness. The training is broken up into three phases: Fort Benning Phase, Mountain Phase, and Florida Phase.

    Umm.. Ranger School is not a SpecOps school, it's basically the best small-unit-leadership school the US Army has to offer. Most who go to Ranger School do not go to Ranger battalions, but instead go, wearing their tab, to a normal line unit. (There are tabs, and there are scrolls. Scrolls indicate actual Rangers). The Ranger Battalions are not considered Special Ops either, just elite light infantry.
    Pathfinder wrote: »
    Feel free to expand.

    I can't, really.

    To get into the US Army, you need a pulse. That's about the size of it. At least, I think you need a pulse, I don't recall being specifically checked for one.

    There is an Army Physical fitness Test, which is required to stay in. If you can't pass it when you join, they'll make sure you can pass it before graduating Basic. It consists of 2 minutes of pushups, 2 minutes of situps and a 2-mile run. Points are attributed on a scale of 0-100 for each event. A minimum of 60 is required for each event, and all three events must be passed. The points are assigned on an age-and-gender-dependant graduating scale, visible here.
    http://web.utk.edu/~utrotc/apft-tables.html

    Tankers, being far more intelligent than the SAS or Rangers, have a fitness test which requires being able to transport two fully loaded duffle bags weighing some 35kg each a distance of about five yards across motor pool tarmac from the HMMWV to the tank, and lifting them to a height of five feet. There is no time requirement to this task, assistance is authorised. In addition, a beer cooler..um... liquid refreshment transport, is to be transported the same distance between every four persons. Laptops and DVD players are optional, but recommended. Road marches will be of 20-30km duration, and are a test of the driver's ability to stay awake in the comfy seat whilst testing wrist and ankle dexterity.

    Why carry a weapon when your weapon can carry you?

    NTM


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Pathfinder


    14 Int/the Det was set up in 73 by officers from the SAS's counter revolutionary warfare wing. Selection was not only physically demanding, it also had a large psychological aspect with recruits tested often in real situations to see how they would react under extreme psychological pressure.
    Det operators operated in republican heartlands, driving skills were taught, such as J turns, as a means of escape and evasion if operators were stopped by PIRA ASU VCPs. Its only since the peace process that info on the Det has become declassified. All files relating to Det operations have been destroyed. British army soldiers of Irish Catholic background were particularly encouraged to become Det operators, especially females from the Wrens etc.
    Training

    walter-ppk.gif The relatively small Walter PPK was used by a backup weapon, often in a ankle-holster, or as a primary weapon for female operatives with especially small hands. With its magazine of 8 .22 rounds, the PPK lacked the stopping power of the Browning HP, but its concealability made it more suitable for use when wearing certain outfits.

    The training of 14 Company covered all the skills required of a surveillance operators.
    • Advanced driving courses were taught including - sustained high speed driving, using a vehicle as a weapon, controlled crashes, skid recovery and anti-ambush skills.
    • Photography is a vital skill and the candidates first learnt the basics then moved onto advanced nighttime Infra-red photography. They also learnt how to conceal still and video cameras in their clothing and in cars.
    • The demanding disciplines of surveillance - from hiding in ditches or attics, to following on foot , to surveillance from vehicles - were all taught. The ability to observe, follow and communicate over the radio network, all covertly, were ingrained in the operators.
    • Operators also learnt how to plant electronic eavesdropping devices (bugs) and covert video cameras. They also practiced planting tracking devices on cars, in weapon caches and even on people. Breaking into houses and businesses and planting bugs and gathering intelligence without being detected was also taught, as were the arts of lock-picking and key-copying.
    • Whilst trained to avoid direct contact, 14 Company members were highly skilled in close quarters combat (CQB). Members become experts at using pistols (usually browning high powers or Walter PPKs), sub machine guns such as HK MP5ks, carbines (HK53) and assault rifles (G3KA4). 14 company members were taught how to employ their weapons from within vehicles as part of anti-ambush drills. It was not uncommon for det operatives to have an extra pistol - often another browning hp with extended 20 round magazine - stowed within easy reach in their vehicles. A remington 870 shotgun was also hidden inside Det cars. The remington could be used to blast out the windscreens of their vehicles, allowing the operatives inside to fire their other weapons.
    • Unarmed combat was taught to Det operatives, particularly techniques to disarm and neutralise knife or gun-weilding assailants.
    Special Equipment

    Though not exactly up to James Bond standards, the Det employed some specialised equipment. Operators wore microphones and earphones hidden in their clothing to enable them to talk on 'the net' whilst in public. Special covert holsters were worn that allowed an operator conceal their pistols in their waistbands.

    14 Company drove a range of cars that from the outside looked like everyday civilian saloons, but in fact had some special features built-in.
    sierra.jpg The modified Q cars driven by 14 Company operators in Northern Ireland had many suprises hidden beneath their seemingly ordinary exteriors.
    • These so-called 'Q' cars had covert radios with hidden speakers and microphones that could not be easily spotted from the outside.
    • Video and still cameras were often secreted about the vehicles, allowing the operators to film surreptitiously.
    • The brake lights on Q cars could be disabled by a switch so as to allow them to covertly pick up or drop off fellow operatives at night.
    • Engine cut-off switches were fitted as an hijacking countermeasure.
    • Operator's cars would also be fitted with systems to detect any tampering with the vehicle's electronics - a sign that a car bomb had been planted.
    • Q cars were fitted with covert kevlar armour plating. Gaps were left in the armour to allow operatives to fire through the bodywork - a requirement in some anti-ambush drills.
    • A flashbang dispenser was secreted beneath the car. When triggered by a foot switch, multiple stun grenades would fly out in all directions before detonating. The flashbangs were for emergencies such as escaping a terrorist roadblock or dispersing a hostile crowd.
    What's in a name?
    The many pseudonyms of the unit included:
    • NITAT
    • Intelligence and Security Group (NI)
    • Int & Sy Group
    • 14 Intelligence and Security Company
    • 14 Intelligence Company
    • 14 Company
    • 14 Int
    • The Det

    A flight of Army Air Corps (AAC) Gazelles, nicknamed the 'Bat flight' were used on 14 Company operations. The Gazelles carried sophisticated electronic surveillance gear in pods beneath the fuselage. These video and Forward Looking Infrared (FLIR) cameras were slaved to a sight usually used to fire wire-guided missiles. At least one Det operator would ride in the helicopter and follow suspects through the sighting system, usually high up, out of sight or sound of anyone below.
    14 Company Operations

    From their inception until the Troubles played out, 14 Company carried out numerous operations, mostly following and observing suspected terrorists. These painstaking intelligence gathering efforts often led to the arrest of terrorists by the RUC as well as discoveries of weapons caches. In addition to simple surveillance, they also liaised with SAS assault teams, acting as addition eyes and ears and often providing covert transportation for SAS operations. On rare occasions 14 Company members would end up in firefights with terrorists, usually the result of their covers being compromised. Tragically, several 14 Company operators lost their lives in Northern Ireland.
    It's believed that during the nineties, the role of 14 Company was expanded to include operations in Bosnia and the Middle East. The unit has now been absorbed into the recently formed Special Reconnaissance Regiment (SRR), with a remit to fight the global war against terror.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 727 ✭✭✭Oilrig


    "14 Int/the Det was set up in 73 by officers from the SAS's counter revolutionary warfare wing. Selection was not only physically demanding,"

    I worked with one of these (ex) guys, he's still a good mate to this day. Trust me, there was nothing physical in being selected to the "Detachment", it was based on other critera.

    PS, when I worked with this guy, neither of us were serving.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Pathfinder


    Oilrig wrote: »
    "14 Int/the Det was set up in 73 by officers from the SAS's counter revolutionary warfare wing. Selection was not only physically demanding,"

    I worked with one of these (ex) guys, he's still a good mate to this day. Trust me, there was nothing physical in being selected to the "Detachment", it was based on other critera.

    PS, when I worked with this guy, neither of us were serving.


    No one said there was was,but selection was physically demanding, the Det had a classified training/ centre/depot in the East Midlands,(whos location the PIRA were constantly attempting to establish) candidates were put through physical tests including alot of PT and runs combined with sleep deprivation (being woken at 3.30 am with thunderflashes), more PT, followed by watching films with simultaneous events happening and being asked questions about details of people and events in what they had just viewed, being brought into strange rooms and having to list all the items in there by memory etc.. There was also an exercise where candidates had to get from one part of the country to the other with little money and meet an operator at designated RP. There were also overnight observation exercises and initiative exercises. Orienteering and map reading exercises, having to strip and reassemble various weapons, under a tarpaulin in the dark while soaked and hungry ......that type of stuff. Similar to WWII OAS training. Selection was relentless and designed to see how candidates operated under stress.

    Successful candidates did an 18 mouth tour , after 6 months training.Those who failed SAS selection through injury etc, were also encouraged to volunteer. The SAS also sent members to serve tours with the Det.

    Obviously it was not as physically demanding as P coy or SAS selection, rather PT along with sleep deprivation was designed to grind candidates down.

    The physical side was designed to test how an exhausted candidate coped and made decisions when tired, exhausted etc.

    Attempting to demoralise candidates, ie promising them a nights sleep then getting them up at 3 am for PT, asking officers to give a strategic lecture on a military task they had been set then shooting down their presentation in flames was all designed to see how a candidate coped with criticism, disapointment etc.

    Obviously northern Catholics in the British army were so sought after in this role, many were encouraged to infiltrate Sinn Fein/PIRA etc and such selection was often overlooked, they under went MI5 induction programes becoming convincing political activists. A bit like MI6 or KGB sleepers, only operating against the PIRA.

    The PIRA first became aware of the Det in 78 after two members were shot dead by an operator in Derry, they had hijacked a car and stopped the operators car after becoming aware the reg had been spotted by PIRA dickers, (observers) previously driving into an army base, upon approaching the car, two PIRA members were shot dead, after this smoke grenade and thunderflash dispensors were installed as a feature of Det cars to give operators more chance of escape if stopped by a PIRA roadblock or illegal VCP (PIRA vehicle check points were set up in the hope of catching an off duty UDR or RUC officer so they could be shot dead). Det operators were always told avoid confrontation if possible.

    Btw, candidates were never allowed to know each others names, they knew each other by a number.


    Heres a classic Det op, Peter Ryan, Tony Doris and Lawrence McNally were all carded PIRA members. Although most of the Det role was liaising with MI5 and RUC special branch and gaining information as requested. Often such ops were long and very tedious.



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-a_bnoFWzE&feature=related]


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,632 ✭✭✭NoQuarter


    Pathfinder wrote: »
    Irish Army Ranger Wing
    The ARW selection course lasts approximately three weeks, and comprises intense physical and mentally demanding tests and evaluations, including a number of "Ranger tests". These include:
    • Abseiling - Assesses a student's confidence when working at height
    • Bridge jump - Tests a student’s confidence in water
    • River crossing - Evaluates a student’s ability to work in a team
    • Claustrophobia - Tests a student’s ability to work with his equipment in confined spaces
    • Gym tests - Tests a students muscular endurance and strength while performing a set number of exercises
    • 10km run - Tests a students cardio-vascular endurance over a set distance and time
    • Mountain walk - Tests a student’s endurance over a set uphill march, while carrying a medium load
    • Hill circuit - Tests a students stamina and strength over a set cross-country course, while carrying a light load
    • Forced march “cross-country” - Tests a student’s stamina and strength over a set cross-country course and time while carrying a medium load
    • Forced march "road" - A group test to assess the student’s tolerance of pressure over a set course and time, while carrying a medium load
    • Route march - A group test to assess the students overall stamina, endurance and strength during a forced march over the mountains while carrying a medium load

    Abseiling
    from the water tower in the curragh (enjoy the scenic flights of stairs while waiting for your turn)
    Bridge jump
    from a bridge crossing blessington lake
    Gym tests
    normal army annualfitness test + hand claps, chin ups and squat thingys
    10km run
    under 45 mins(not so easy after a few days on selection!)
    Mountain walk
    more like mountain run, starts beside lugnaquilla and you have 1 hr to get your ass up a dirt track, very pleasant!
    Hill circuit
    tank tracks in the curragh, ugh....just ugh...
    Forced march
    aka foreman aftman, starts at carpark beside tonelagee, goes over browne mtn - scarr mtn- cross the road and all the way up onto tonelagee,can take from 3 - 6 hrs, horrible just horrible!:mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Pathfinder


    Royal Marines Special Boat Service.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amV0kMEKXU4

    In order to qualify as a Swimmer Canoeist, Candidates must first undergo Special Forces Selection with the SAS before continuing to SBS selection.
    Training

    Qualification as an SBS Swimmer Canoeist involves an extensive training course, building on the skills gained during SF Selection at Hereford. Training includes:
    • Diving both closed and open circuit - candidates swim underwater for miles in poor visibility completing complex navigational tasks and employment exercises
    • Parachuting static line
    • Demolition
    • Infiltration of ships, in harbour and whilst under way, and oil platforms
    • Canoeing - Use of the Klepper canoe during selection is extensive
    • Further survival training in the wilds of Scotland
    • Beach reconnaissance including photography
    • Maritime Counter-Terrorism activities
    Those who pass the selection course qualify as a Swimmer Canoeist (SC3) and are then probationers, advancement to Corporal and Sergeant are predicated on qualification as an SC2 and SC1 respectively. Advancement to Sergeant also requires completion of the Senior Command Course at Commando Training Centre Royal Marines, mandatory for all Royal Marines at this stage.
    On qualification Marines of the SBS wear the branch badge on the left cuff of lovat green and blue uniform jackets, the letters SC over a wreath, Officers wear no branch designators. On qualification as an advanced parachutist, personnel are awarded the SBS variant of special forces parachute wings, worn on the shoulder of the right sleeve. Marines continue to wear the commandos green beret.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Pathfinder


    Rhodesian Selous Scouts (Now defunct), NCOs were usually ex SAS who had fought in Malaya and Kenya.

    Perhaps the best comment on the fighting ability of the Selous Scouts is the fact that during Rhodesia’s anti-terrorist war they accounted for more dead ‘terrs’ than the rest of the Rhodesian Army combined. Formed in 1974 as the Tracker Combat Unit and eventually performing long range recon missions, tracking terrorists internally, and undertaking cross border raids against terrorist strongholds, the Selous Scouts were highly skilled, parachute trained long range recon/raiders. Their selection process was somewhat similar to that of the British SAS. In addition to parachute training, bush survival and tracking were emphasized during Scout training. Clandestine and counter-guerrilla skills were also taught. The Selous Scouts normally made operational jumps from about 500 feet using the T10 static-line parachute, but many members within the unit were also free-fall parachutist trained.
    In August, 1976, the Selous Scouts launched the first cross border strike against terrorist bases in Mozambique. In that raid alone, they killed 1,184 terrorists. Later, the Selous Scouts under took many missions in conjunction with the Rhodesian SAS which had a strength of 110 men, many of them former members of the British SAS
    ONE
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    The Selous Scouts as a regiment did not have a traditional Color, but a Standard. The dangling fly-wisks on the Standard are traditional protectors against evil spirits.
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    During bushcraft / survival training Selous Scouts are made to drink the innards of gutted game animals. Due to the many valuable nutrients that may be drunken to supplement ones diet in extreme situations.
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    Two Selous Scouts conducting night SCUBA training perform the back-roll method of entry into the water. They are training with open-circuit rigs, which emit the tell-tail bubbles.
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    A rubber raiding craft loaded with Selous Scouts performing night training operations. Which will encompass boat handling and SCUBA diving.
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    A Selous Scout being inserted by helicopter with a tracking dog, to close the gap on a follow-up operation.
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    Selous Scouts rapidly exiting an aging DC-3, via static-line parachute.
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    All Selous Scouts were trained static-line parachutist, with many also being free-fall trained.
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    Learning to gut and quarter game was an essential skill taught to all Selous Scouts during there time at the Tracking and Bushcraft course.
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    Here two Selous Scouts remove the innards of what appears to be a antelope. Scouts were also trained to eat rotten carcasses by boiling. This technique would only work once, if the scout reheated the meat a second time it would poison through a chemical change in the meat.
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    Here a Selous Scout instructor is teaching the finer points of botany. By describing signs to look for to retrieve water from vines and not poisons or irritants.
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    Selous Scout instructor demonstrating how to retrieve water from a vine.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Pathfinder


    king-stew wrote: »
    Abseiling
    from the water tower in the curragh (enjoy the scenic flights of stairs while waiting for your turn)
    Bridge jump
    from a bridge crossing blessington lake
    Gym tests
    normal army annualfitness test + hand claps, chin ups and squat thingys
    10km run
    under 45 mins(not so easy after a few days on selection!)
    Mountain walk
    more like mountain run, starts beside lugnaquilla and you have 1 hr to get your ass up a dirt track, very pleasant!
    Hill circuit
    tank tracks in the curragh, ugh....just ugh...
    Forced march
    aka foreman aftman, starts at carpark beside tonelagee, goes over browne mtn - scarr mtn- cross the road and all the way up onto tonelagee,can take from 3 - 6 hrs, horrible just horrible!:mad:


    Came across this on ARW selection, it seems similar to US army Ranger selection,ie elite light infantry. Although they still carry less kit (according to this) then in standard basic British infantry selection.
    The 92 % failure rate must come from very poor preparation. To be honest a 7,5 km cross country speed march and 10km run in 45 mins is not ultra physically demanding. And getting 9 hours off for learning/recreation /sleep is actually not bad at all.

    It was in the March-April 2005 issue of AN COSANTÓIR. I don't have the full article to hand but you could try and contact public relations to see if you could geta back order http://www.military.ie/pr/index.html

    I doupt they will have it but its worth a shot.

    I did manage to dig up the following.

    This is from the nov 2004 issue.

    Obligatory annual PDF fitness test - grade 1, plus the below

    10km run in 45 mins
    7.5km cross country speed march with 30lb CEFO & weapon
    400m swim fully clothed while pushing poncho raft, keeping weapon dry & ready to fire

    First 3 weeks involve 2 PT sessions per day (battle PT, unarmed combat, circuit training, swimming, log runs).

    Days are long from around 0700 to around 2200, the other 9 hours being used for supper, cleaning (weapon, kit), studying notes, showering, shaving, working with buddy & maybe sleep.

    The tactical element includes "CEMO was so heavy and the ground so difficult to cross that the average walking time over the mountains was a kilometre-an-hour, with route marches lasting 8 to 12 hours." The tactical phase finishes with a 26+ mile loaded march back to the Curragh which takes around 6 hours.

    Failure rate averages 92%

    According to An Cosantoir, an absolute minimum amount of time required is 6 months physical preparation, including:

    running at a slow relaxed pace while carrying 30 lbs of kit for at least 90 minutes
    swimming breast stroke for 50 lengths non-stop
    day & night navigation across any mountain range in Ireland

    There is more to it than this but it is a start. The tests changes every year but you get the idea.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭Irish_Army01


    Pathfinder wrote: »
    Came across this on ARW selection, it seems similar to US army Ranger selection,ie elite light infantry. Although they still carry less kit (according to this) then in standard basic British infantry selection.
    The 92 % failure rate must come from very poor preparation. To be honest a 7,5 km cross country speed march and 10km run in 45 mins is not ultra physically demanding. And getting 9 hours off for learning/recreation /sleep is actually not bad at all.

    It was in the March-April 2005 issue of AN COSANTÓIR. I don't have the full article to hand but you could try and contact public relations to see if you could geta back order http://www.military.ie/pr/index.html


    Failure rate averages 92%

    According to An Cosantoir, an absolute minimum amount of time required is 6 months physical preparation, including:

    running at a slow relaxed pace while carrying 30 lbs of kit for at least 90 minutes
    swimming breast stroke for 50 lengths non-stop
    day & night navigation across any mountain range in Ireland

    There is more to it than this but it is a start. The tests changes every year but you get the idea.


    I Can tell you the high failure rate has nothing to do with bad preparation, but the high tempo of the course and injuries. You Run every where! and normally with weight.

    I know Guys who worked their Ass's off in every aspect of military training to pass the Course and get injured.

    I'm sure all Special Forces Units hate to lose a good candidates to an injury.

    BTW, Irish Defence forces don't do Krav maga. We have our own set Syllabus.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Pathfinder


    Thats a higher failure rate then SAS,SBS selection. For selection which is shorter and less demanding then Royal Marine commando selection or the Parachute regiments P coy.

    As an example, Royal Marine recruits carry 102lbs of kit 12 miles before test week starts.
    Yet during selection the drop out rate is only 55%. The ARW do nothing like that yet have a higher injury drop out rate.

    Royal Marine and Para training is progressive and over a much longer period. The reason the SAS and SBS have less of drop out rate then the ARW is because candidates are used to tabbing with weight.




    30lbs is not alot of weight to TAB with, btw.

    Stress fractures in Royal Marines recruits
    Military Medicine, Jul 2002 by Ross, Robert A

    Data are presented on stress fracture patterns at the Commando Training Center Royal Marines. To reduce the high number of training injuries, including stress fractures, a complete review of the training syllabus was undertaken. Following recommendations from this review, a newly designed, physiologically progressive training program was introduced. The result of this revised training syllabus was a statistically significant reduction in stress fracture incidence. The causes of stress fractures are discussed with particular reference to skeletal adaptation to physical loading and the role of muscular support of the axial skeleton.

    Royal Marines Commandos, elite amphibious soldiers, undergo training at the Commando Training Center Royal Marines (CTCRM) in Devon, United Kingdom. Every fortnight, approximately 55 new recruits join to form a new troop. The course, believed to be the longest continuous basic infantry training in the world, lasts 30 weeks and includes four mandatory Commando tests. These tests include the following: (1) a 2.5-mile (4-km) cross-country water obstacle run followed by a 4-mile (6.4-km) run and target shoot to be completed within 72 minutes; (2) a 9-mile (14.4-km) speed march to be completed (as a troop) in 90 minutes; (3) The Tarzan/Assault course, a high-- and low-obstacle assault course, to be completed within 13 minutes; and (4) The 30 miler (48 km), a forced march across Dartmoor (rugged open moorland) to be completed in less than 8 hours. All of these tests are completed wearing military boots and carrying combat equipment fighting order plus personal weapon (SA80 rifle) totalling 31 pounds (14 kg). The tests, including any reruns, must be completed within 1 week. Immediately before the Commando tests, recruits are tired out on a 2-day survival exercise that includes a 12-mile (19-km) load march carrying weights up to 102 pounds (46 kg).

    Before joining, potential recruits have to pass a number of tests, including a 2.5-day selection program designed to eliminate candidates who are insufficiently robust, fit, or committed. The assessment includes tests of fitness, courage, and stamina. Before undertaking the tests, candidates are medically screened and deemed fit for entry into the Royal Marines. Only approximately one-third of all attendees on this program subsequently enter training. Currently, only males are allowed to undergo Royal Marine Commando recruit training.

    Injuries are inevitable, and commonplace, during recruit training, with up to one-third of all recruits spending some time in the medical rehabilitation organization, Hunter Company. Historically, approximately half of all entrants complete the course. Injury is a major cause of disillusionment and contributes to many cases of voluntary withdrawal during training.

    Many of the injuries at CTCRM are acute soft-tissue injuries that are amenable to active management by medical staff supported by physiotherapists and physical training remedial instructors. Stress fractures, however, represent a major problem for a number of reasons: they can be difficult to diagnose, they can present with catastrophic bone failure, they can take many months to heal and it is not clear how soon training can be safely resumed. Stress fractures result in serious loss of training time with consequent training delays and high recruit attrition.

    The purpose of this study was to determine the effect of the introduction of a modified Royal Marine training syllabus, the Revised Common Recruit Syllabus (RCRS), on stress fracture incidence.

    Background

    In response to persistently high injury and dropout rates, CTCRM commissioned a study' of the physical aspects of Commando training. Commando training has evolved during the last 50 years with little critical appraisal of the training methods. That study was undertaken by a team of exercise physiologists from the Institute of Naval Medicine (INM) led by Fallowfield (University College, Chichester). The principal task of the group was to compare training practices at CTCRM with those known to optimize sports performance. In addition, the group was tasked to identify any practices likely to predispose to increased risk of injury.


    The Fallowfield study resulted in a range of recommendations to CTCRM: (1) select recruits depending on their aerobic power; (2) stream recruits based on their physical ability; and (3) improve the progression of the physical training syllabus. These measures were intended to reduce injury and training wastage, thereby improving first-time pass rates.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭Irish_Army01


    Pathfinder wrote: »
    For selection which is shorter and less demanding then Royal Marine commando selection or the Parachute regiments P coy.




    30lbs is not alot of weight to TAB with.

    They recommend that weight to train with to avoid injuries.


    And You know this Because you Went on ARW selection? I also have no idea why Your comparing the ARW to the Royal Marines or the Paras.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Pathfinder


    They recommend that weight to train with to avoid injuries.


    And You know this Because you Went on ARW selection? I also have no idea why Your comparing the ARW to the Royal Marines or the Paras.


    Mortar and anti tank platoons can carry up to 110lbs in the field that why selection is done with that weight.

    I suspect the ARW carry less because selection is open to women, which is unfortunate.


    I'm not knocking them and members have done will in BA shooting events at Bisley in the past and are held in high regard, but ARW selection is more elite light infantry then special forces.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭Irish_Army01


    Pathfinder wrote: »
    Mortar and anti tank platoons can carry up to 110lbs in the field that why selection is done with that weight.

    I suspect the ARW carry less because selection is open to women, which is unfortunate.


    I'm not knocking them and members have done will in BA shooting events at Bisley in the past and are held in high regard, but ARW selection is more elite light infantry then special forces.

    Last time I checked the ARW are Special forces.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Pathfinder


    Last time I checked the ARW are Special forces.

    I don't dispute the counter terrorism C 3 function is Special forces.

    But selection is elite light infantry, based on that of the US army rangers.

    Btw how many women have passed selection ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭Irish_Army01


    The Whole Unit Are Special Forces. No women have ever passed Selection or came close for that matter.. BTW, The Ground Phase of Selection You could be carrying up to 110-150 lbs of kit and that lasts two weeks. this is were they lose a lot of candidates.

    FYI, The Wing(50 of them) are presently on standby to travel to Chad
    to act in a Special Forces Conventional role.
    Roles

    The Army Ranger Wing is an integral Unit of the Defence Forces. Its Roles are divided into Conventional Warfare roles and Specialist 'Aid to the Civil Power' roles. It also has an established role in the advancement of standards within the Defence Forces. Conventional Warfare


    Military Tasks

    Offensive Operations behind enemy lines :
    * Securing of vital objectives.
    * Long Range Patrolling - Raids - Ambushes - Sabotage.
    * Capture of key personnel.
    * Diversionary Operations.
    * Intelligence Gathering
    Defensive Operations:
    * VIP Protection.
    * Counter insurgency.
    * Training in and conduct of specialist operations.
    * Delay Operations
    Specialist Aid to the Civil Power (Anti-Terrorist Tasks)
    * Anti-Hijack Operations - aircraft, ferry, ship, bus, train.
    * Hostage Rescue Operations.
    * Airborne and Seaborne Interventions.
    * Search Operations - Difficult or dangerous specialist tasks on land or at sea.
    * Pursuit Operations over any terrain.
    * Recapture of terrorist-held objectives - Vital Installations, Embassies, Airports, Gas & Oil Rigs, Summit venues, Broadcasting and Government facilities.
    * VIP Security Operations/Close Protection of VIPs.
    * Contingency Planning to Counter Terrorist/Subversive Threat



    Advancement of Defence Forces Standards
    The ARW contributes to the improvement of standards in military and related skills throughout the Defence Forces by :

    * Testing and evaluation of certain military equipment for the Defence Forces.
    * Organising and participating in Defence Forces training exercises.
    * Conducting Specialist Courses.
    * Returning highly skilled ARW personnel to all Corps of the Defence Forces on completion of service in the ARW.



    Training continued;

    *Boat handling

    *Combat diving

    *Advanced navigation

    *Sniping

    *Explosives intervention

    *Communications

    *Medical proficiency

    *International interchange


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Pathfinder


    The ARW website makes reference to female members.

    Alot of the functions listed are not limited to Special Forces, either is having a long range patrol or amphibious capability, both the Paras and Royal Marines have units which perform these functions but are not classed as special forces.

    Its the C3 element which makes the ARW a special forces unit.



    Have you got any links that they carry, " 110-150 lbs of kit". The guy who posted the info on another site which I copied and pasted, had done ranger training and never mentioned that. Even the SAS don't carry 150lbs of kit.

    ...That would mean selection is not open to women.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭Irish_Army01


    Pathfinder wrote: »
    The ARW website makes reference to female members.

    Alot of the functions listed are not limited to Special Forces, either is having a long range patrol or amphibious capability, both the Paras and Royal Marines have units which perform these functions but are not classed as special forces.

    Its the C3 element which makes the ARW a special forces unit.



    Have you got any links that they carry, " 110-150 lbs of kit". The guy who posted the info on another site which I copied and pasted, had done ranger training and never mentioned that. Even the SAS don't carry 150lbs of kit.

    ...That would mean selection is not open to women.

    I can't find a link but on the ground phase of selection You could be carrying up to 110+ of Kit. ARW are NOT elite Infantry and I take offense to that insinuation.

    Have a look at this Site. http://www.fianoglach.ie/

    A Quote from the Site.
    Moreover the Australian Commander in Chief of INTERFET in East Timor had no hesitation in saying that he had never known any Special Forces unit as modest and discreet as the Army Ranger Wing.

    That Mission was a conventional Role.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Pathfinder


    arwlogo1.jpg
    selection30.jpg
    Even though it belongs to the regular Army, the ARW is a unit apart. This unique unit, due as much to its missions in Ireland as to the individuals that comprise it, is considered capable of carrying out the most difficult of tasks. Moreover the Australian Commander in Chief of INTERFET in East Timor had no hesitation in saying that he had never known any Special Forces unit as modest and discreet as the Army Ranger Wing.

    selectionpat.jpg
    Officially, the ARW is called "Sciathan Fianóglach an Airm" which can be translated as Army Ranger Wing. In any case it is a modern translation since Fianóglach is a Gaelic word borrowed from the ancient Fianna, the legendary Irish warriors. These traditions of ancient Ireland are as evident in Ireland's armed forces (Óglaigh na h-Éireann) as they are among rangers, who carry the Fianóglach flash on their shoulders.
    fianoglachbadge.jpg

    ARW Selection
    There is no age limit for prospective rangers who must undergo a Ranger selection course which takes place annually. According to the Commander age does not count, only physical condition makes the difference. The oldest is 44 and average age is 31. In Timor they mixed the old with the new in a way that made the unit very cohesive. Every year between 40 and 80 candidates arrive and after 4 weeks of a selection course less than 15% remain. These 4 weeks are organised into 2 distinct phases. In phase 1 everybody starts at zero - the instructors showing the basic requirements to become a Ranger, that is to say a special forces soldier. Candidates must also pass a number of physical tests, water confidence training, assault courses training, individual navigation tests as well as an 8 Km combat run test. On average they will get 4/5 hours sleep per night and are put under constant pressure from instructors and the course alike. If a candidate fails more than 3 out of the 9 basic tests he is returned to his home unit. A selection course may only be attempted 3 times by any candidate. The 3rd and 4th weeks consist of long range reconnaissance patrolling which incorporates training as well as testing of personnel. Candidates are taught special forces tactics, reconnaissance and surveillance, intelligence gathering and the achievements such as the search for enemy forces teams and the organisation of ambushes. The course culminates in a 45 Km march which must be completed in a set time. All candidates who successfully complete the Ranger course are presented with the Fianóglach shoulder flash. When it comes to selection the Officers and NCO's meet to assess the candidates. The best are retained according to the number of places available. On average, Officers spend between 3 and 4 years in the unit.
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    Is is important to emphasise that during this selection course the tests are the same for Officers, NCO's and men. During these weeks there is no rank - only the qualities of the candidates count. For those selected there is still a long way to go. For 6 months they must undergo a Basic Skills Course, this time in an instructional detachment where they continue to wear the black beret. The candidates will receive instruction on all weapons available to the ranger, and all the other skills need to allow them to integrate into the unit. It is only after this course is completed that successful candidates get to wear the coveted green beret of the Army Ranger Wing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭Irish_Army01


    Some of the Photos are old now(at least 10-12 years) and don't use the Steyr HBAR any more, instead use the Minimi Para.

    A serving Member of the ARW.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Pathfinder


    It makes no mention of carrying 110-150lbs of kit,so until you produce proof I doubt your claim. The whole point of long range patrols is that they are mobile, on SAS selection candidates carry only around 55lbs of kit,as most UK SFs candidates come from the Paras or marines, they have already carried that kind of weight.


    The US rangers who's selection the ARW is based is an elite light infantry unit.

    It states 6 out of 9 tests must be passed from timed runs to the finale which is a 45 km march, no time or weight carried is given.

    It also sates the drop out rate is 75 % not 92 %.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭Irish_Army01


    Pathfinder wrote: »
    It makes no mention of carrying 110-150lbs of kit,so until you produce proof I doubt your claim. The whole point of long range patrols is that they are mobile, on SAS selection candidates carry only around 55lbs of kit,as most UK SFs candidates come from the Paras or marines, they have already carried that kind of weight.


    The Us rangers whos selection the ARW is based is a elite light infantry unit.

    It states 6 out of 9 tests must be passed from timed runs to the finale which is a 45 km hike, no time or weight carried is given.


    That Information is outdated and incorrect. Its 7 tests and you must pass them all.

    The ARW Selection is not based on the US Rangers. Members of the DF went over to the Ranger Course in the late 60's early 70's and thats where the Comparison ends.

    The Selection course is of four (4) weeks duration. The student must cope with physical and psychological pressures and is constantly assessed by instructor staff. The course covers Physical Training, Weapons Handling, Confidence Training, Mountain Navigation, Survival Skills and all aspects of special forces conventional tactics. Standards required are set at the highest level. Successful students continue with the induction process by completing an ARW Basic Skills Course, which is in effect a probationary period.



    What Site did you get your Info from?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Pathfinder


    What highest level ?

    Selection standards are no where near that of the SAS or Delta Force or even that of the Parachute Regiment or Royal Marines.

    If it is no longer based on the US army Rangers model (infact selection is almost identical), what unit is it based on ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭Irish_Army01


    Pathfinder wrote: »
    What highest level ?

    Selection standards are no where near that of the SAS or Delta Force or even that of the Parachute Regiment or Royal Marines.

    If it is no longer based on the US army Rangers model (infact selection is almost identical), what unit is it based on ?


    The ARW's highest Level.The ARW developed its Own Selection Cse.

    Are you saying that a member of the ARW is incapable of passing the Above Units Selection?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Pathfinder


    How can a unit develop its own special forces training techniques if it has no experience in theatres of conflict apart from peace keeping ?

    To put you out of your misery, the C3 function is based on the 22 SAS CRW model, which all special forces are based on. Including the Delta Force.

    With the long range Patrol element based on both the US army ranger and Special Air Service models.

    Of course some members would be more then capable of passing selection in other units.

    I was just contesting the claim selection was based on, " the highest possible standards".

    In some ways SAS selection is a bit OTT, lots of very good soldiers are lost via injury, which is why the SRR was created from 14 Int.

    Don't get me wrong, the ARW are a professional well trained unit, who could be much more experienced unit, if the republic was in NATO and they were training with other NATO SF units all the time, instead of some of the time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    Pathfinder - I think you'll find that the ARW website is not official - all of the photos on it are in the public domain already. For that reason I wouldn't be too quick to quote from it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 727 ✭✭✭Oilrig


    It has to be asked...

    Do the current HSA regulations apply to the ARW?

    If they do, then its all a joke.

    Its an issue TD's need to address, especially the guy from Limerick with the penchant to point firearms at the press... ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    Funny story bout the pre selection course a couple of years ago -

    Picture the scene - the course split into two teams to do a combat run with stands to carry out various tasks, team one has gone ahead, team two are following, one stand is to run to the top of the water tower and down as quick as possible and carry on with the run.

    Just as the team was about to go up an individual at the front who would have been working in an area dealing with H&S regs stops everyone, takes out a head torch and tells the rest of the team to put the hands on the shoulder of the man in front of them and the other on the hand rail and walk up slowly!!!

    No points for guessing who was asked not to turn up for selection!!

    So basically - fairly sure the regs don't apply!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Pathfinder


    The other Royal Marines Special Forces unit, apart from the SBS is the Mountain and Artic Warfare Cadre.

    In 1970 the RL Troop became the Mountain & Arctic Warfare Cadre and moved to its present location at Stonehouse Barracks, Plymouth. The following year 3 Commando Brigade returned to the UK after several years in the Far East. The brigade's main mission now was to be on NATO's northern flank and annual exercises were to be conducted in Norway. These were (and are) usually in the winter and in the far north of the country. The M&AW Cadre had a big role to play in preparing the four Commandos for these exercises and Mountain Leaders were attached to all units in the brigade. (43 Commando had already been disbanded and 41 Commando was to follow in 1981.) Soon 3 Commando Brigade was among the world's leading exponents of cold weather warfare, thanks mainly to a small group of specialists who had been developing the necessary expertise for many years.

    The Cadre was also given the wartime role of long range foot and ski reconnaissance for the brigade. In the Falklands War of 1982 the twenty members of the Cadre and twenty men undergoing training as MLs accompanied 3 Commando Brigade " down south ". Their war began immediately after the landings of 21 May. Four-man patrols were inserted all over the brigade's area of operations, in some cases relieving patrols of the SAS and SBS, and also mounting operations in cooperation with the latter. On 31 May a patrol spotted Argentine commandos (Buzo Tactico) landing by helicopter near Top Malo House, in the far north of East Falkland and just south of the proposed British route to Port Stanley. A request for an air strike on the Argentinians now setting up base in the house was denied; instead nineteen more MLs under their commander, Captain Rod Boswell, were flown in an hour after dawn. After landing one group opened fire on the Argentines with 66mm rockets and light machine guns, setting the house on fire, while the others began the assault on the enemy. In the subsequent 40 minute battle four MLs were wounded; of the 17 Buzo Tactico, 8 were killed and 9 captured.
    The M&AW Cadre operated in the mountains of northern Iraq in 1991, during Operation Haven, the Allied effort to bring aid to the Kurdish separatists then under heavy attack from the Iraqis. MLs worked in cooperation with US Army Special Forces and also the other elements of 3 Commando Brigade in the area. In 1992 it was decided to set up a permanent brigade-level reconnaissance unit. The Recce Troop was formed with the officer and NCOs coming from the Cadre. It has since been separated from the renamed Mountain Leader Training Cadre.

    Training
    The Mountain Leader Class 2 (ML2) course is open junior officers of the Royal Marines and other ranks who have passed their Junior Command Course i.e. have been promoted to corporal or soon will be. All will have of course passed the Commando tests in their initial period of training (about 15 months for officers, half that for other ranks), and many will have gone on to gain other qualifications, like sniping, anti-tanks or mortars. ML2 training takes about eight months and is considered some of the toughest in the British military. The course starts in September and the first week is spent on the selection phase, at Stonehouse Barracks in Plymouth. Those who are accepted go on to a couple of weeks of climbing in Cornwall, especially on cliffs, and including free climbing (without ropes) at night. Candidates often spend 12 hours a day climbing at this stage. In October the course moves to Wales, for practice in climbing larger mountains. This month also sees the survival course on the Isle of Islay, off the west coast of Scotland, and the first period of resistance to interrogation (RTI) training. In November the candidates begin to combine mountain work with patrolling and raiding. December sees more climbing and preparation for the next phase in northern Norway. Shortly after Christmas the course moves to the rugged and freezing terrain of this area. Here the initial emphasis is on snow and ice climbing techniques and Arctic survival and navigation. Although all candidates would have gone through Arctic Survival and Arctic Warfare training during previous service in Norway, they are now also learning how to instruct on these courses. Candidates could now probably find themselves more often than not 10 000 feet (3000m) up in the mountains, with the temperature dropping to -40 F at night (including wind chill factor ). In February it is time for long distance skiing under the supervision of Norwegian Army instructors. All candidates must qualify as Military Ski Instructors. Before the final exercise in March they are given seven days to prepare. The eleven-day exercise itself involves the four-man patrols ski-marching and climbing up to 40km a day, to carry out a close target reconnaissance and attack and then exfiltration to friendly territory. They will have covered about 300km by this time. All are eventually " captured " and go through the second RTI period. The course ends in April with 3 weeks of pathfinding on Ben Nevis, the highest mountain in Scotland. The pass rate is sometimes as low as 20%. After qualifying most ML2s will return to duty with a Commando, some will be attached to Army units and a few might join the Recce Troop. Every sub-unit in 3 Commando Brigade of company, battery or squadron size has a Mountain Leader( usually a corporal ) attached, who is responsible for mountain and arctic warfare training. MLs are also highly sought after to provide the leadership in each Commando's own Reconnaissance Troop. NCOs may now wear the branch Specialist Qualification badge, " ML " surrounded by a wreath. This is worn on the left cuff of No.1 Dress (" blues") and Lovat service dress (" greens "). RM officers do not wear SQ badges.




    Argentinian Special Forces whom the Royal Marines A and MW Cadre defeated in the battle for South Georgia.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Pathfinder


    Pathfinder wrote: »
    The Parachute Regiment

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFZv0HKwxIU
    In the old days recruits with heat exhaustion were encouraged to continue, such was the regiments competitive ethos, hence deaths.

    The 8 Tests
    1)10 miler A 10 mile march conducted as a squad over undulating terrain. Each candidate carries a 35lb bergen and a rifle. The march is currently to be completed in 1 hour 50 minutes (TA candidates have 2 hours).

    2)Trainasium A unique assault course set several metres above the ground, to test a candidates' determination and ability to overcome fear. This is the only event which is a straight pass or fail; all the other events are scored. The total score required to pass is known only to the P Coy staff.

    3)Log Race A team event, where 8 men carry a log (a telegraph pole) weighing 60kg over 1.9 miles of undulating terrain. This is reckoned to be one of the hardest events.

    4)2 Mile Run An individual effort run across 2 miles of undulating terrain, carrying a 35lb bergan (not including water), rifle, combat jacket, and helmet. Regular candidates have 18 minutes, TA candidates have 19 minutes to complete the run.
    5)Steeplechase A 1.8 mile cross-country run, followed by an assault course. Candidates are under a time limit to complete the event.

    6)Milling In this event, candidates are paired with another candidate of similar size and build, and have 60 seconds to demonstrate 'controlled physical aggression' in a milling contest, similar to boxing, except neither winning or losing, nor skill are pre-requisites of passing; candidates are instead scored on determination, and blocking and dodging results in points being deducted. Candidates now wear gloves, head protection, and boxing gloves.

    7)Endurance March A 20 mile march as a squad over a 20 mile course. Candidates are carrying a 35lb bergen and a rifle; the march must be completed in 4 and a half hours. TA candidates do not participate in this event, due to their reduced oppurtunity to prepare for the course.

    8)Stretcher Race Candidates are divided into teams of 16 men, and have to carry a 175lb stretcher over a distance of 5 miles, each individual candidate wearing webbing and a helmet. No more that 4 candidates carry the stretcher at any given time, swapping round at regular intevals so that all candidates carry the stretcher for a certain distance.
    Maroon Beret On completing P Coy, candidates are either given a pass or fail,


    On completing P Coy, candidates are either given a pass or fail, depending on their score. Those who pass earn the right to wear the maroon beret, and go on to undergo the Basic Parachute Course at RAF Brize Norton.
    The Parachute Regiment Official Site - P Company
    Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P_company"
    depending on their score. Those who pass earn the right to wear the maroon beret, and go on to undergo the Basic Parachute Course at RAF Brize Norton.
    The Parachute Regiment Official Site - P Company
    Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P_company"




    Pre Para selection training workout, which is progressive and gives the candidate a chance to avoid stress fractures at depot Para, when they suddenly find themselves Tabbing with heavy kit.

    ·Bergen Workout
    March up and down a hill repeatedly for the time stated in boots.

    ·Hill Sprints
    5 min warm up run to the hill. Stretch. Jog to the bottom, turn round and sprint 100% to the top. Rest for 60 secs, and repeat. Do 10.


    Week 1

    T Day 1 – 4 mile run. (8 minute/mile)
    W Day2 – Gym workout. + 3 mile run (7 minute/mile)
    T Day3 – 4 mile run (8 minute/mile)
    F Day4 – Home Workout
    S Day5 – 1 hour cycle
    S Day6 – Hill Sprints
    M Day7 – 3 mile run – BEST EFFORT.

    Week 2

    T Day8 – Home Workout
    W Day9 – 4.5 mile run – (8 minute/mile)
    T Day10 – Gym Workout
    F Day11 – BFT.
    S Day12 – 1 hour cycle
    S Day13 – 30 minute Bergen Workout – 15lbs. No running.
    M Day14 – Hill Sprints

    Week 3

    T Day15 – rest – no exercise
    W Day16 – rest – include MAX pushups every morning and night
    T Day17 – rest - include MAX pushups every morning and night
    F Day18 – rest – no exercise
    S Day19 – Home Workout. And 4 mile run in under 30 minutes.
    S Day20 – Home Workout
    M Day21 – 45 minute Bergen Workout– 25lbs – no running.

    Week 4

    T Day22 – BFT
    W Day23 - Upper Body Circuit. 50 minutes.
    T Day24 – 4 mile run – BEST EFFORT
    F Day25 – Hill Sprints
    S Day26 – 40 Minute Fartlek run.
    S Day27 – 1 hour Bergen Workout – 25lbs – no running.
    M Day28 – Home Workout

    Week 5

    T Day29 – 5 mile run (8 minute/mile)
    W Day30 – Home Workout
    T Day31 – BFT
    F Day32 – 45 Minute Fartlek Run
    S Day33 – rest – no exercise
    S Day34 – rest – include MAX pushups every morning and night
    M Day35 – rest - include MAX pushups every morning and night

    Week 6

    T Day36 – rest – no exercise
    W Day37 – 4 mile run in under 28 minutes.
    T Day38 – Home Workout
    F Day39 - 5 mile run (8 minute/mile) – 40 minutes
    S Day40 – Hill Sprints
    S Day41 – Gym Workout
    M Day42 –2 miler – 35lb Bergen – Under 18:45. (In boots)

    Week 7

    T Day43 – 5 mile run in under 40 minutes.
    W Day44 – Home Workout
    T Day45 - 40 Minute Fartlek run.
    F Day46 – Home Workout.
    S Day47 – AM – BFT. PM – 4 mile run in under 28 minutes.
    S Day48 – 5 mile run – BEST EFFORT
    M Day49 – Hill Sprints

    Week 8

    T Day50 – 2 miler – 35lb Bergen – Under 18:30 (In boots)
    W Day51 - rest – no exercise
    T Day52 - rest - include MAX pushups every morning and night
    F Day53 - rest – no exercise
    S Day54 - 5 mile run (7 minute/miles) 35 minutes.
    S Day55 – Home workout
    M Day56 - 1 hour Fartlek run.

    Week 9

    T Day57 – Hill Sprints and Home Workout.
    W Day58 – 5 mile run (7 minute/miles) 35 minutes.
    T Day59 – BFT. ........................................BFT 1.5 Miles...9.30 Minutes (boots)
    F Day60 – Gentle 30 minute run.
    S Day61 – REST – NO exercise.

    REPORT TO ITC CATTERICK PARA DEPOT
    _________________


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Pathfinder


    More Rhodesian Selous Scout selection pics.

    ss22.jpg
    Here a Selous Scout candidate is made to paint rocks to correspond with his class roster number. These are the rocks he will carry on his marches. The paint prevents him from dumping them out and replacing them at a later time.
    ss23.jpg
    Instructors inspect the painting of the rocks and conduct a weigh in of the loads to be carried by the candidates.
    ss24.jpg
    The gutting and preparing of the rotten baboon the candidates are made to eat. The candidates are not fed for days and made to observe the rotten decomposing baboon all week, till they are told to eat it. At this point must are quite willing.
    ss25.jpg
    The infamous decomposing Baboon.
    ss26.jpg
    A candidate working the rope obstacles, here he is conducting a "commando traverse".
    ss27.jpg
    More of the dreaded rope obstacles which were famous for shredding hands.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,335 ✭✭✭newby.204


    for the life of me i cant find it on the net, but as far as i know the arw finished ahead of quite a number of europes top sf, inc the sas, in an inter army sf compo at some stage in the not so distant past!! i think gsg9 were first!! yes vague i know but i cant find the f""k!n artcile!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Pathfinder


    newby.204 wrote: »
    for the life of me i cant find it on the net, but as far as i know the arw finished ahead of quite a number of europes top sf, inc the sas, in an inter army sf compo at some stage in the not so distant past!! i think gsg9 were first!! yes vague i know but i cant find the f""k!n artcile!!


    Yes, the ARW have done well in the past in a shooting and orienteeering, and other event competition against other "SF units" (as far as I am aware US and UK SF do not have the manpower to spare to take part in competitions), It was an armed Austrian Police unit who won it, followed by an Italian Police paramilitary unit, the ARW came third...GSG 9 were not in the "competition".

    http://shadowspear.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1470


    Apparently a member of the ARW said, "I am suprised the SAS never took part, they only enter things they think they will win"..............Nothing to do with being engaged in various global conflicts, and stretched to capacity..to take part in "competitions" against Police units ?

    There is something vaguely sad about SF's units mainly from countries who have not been involved in conflict taking part in "SF competitions" against mainly Police units and claiming to be the " third best in the world" while others are out fighting and dying in real conflicts.


    It is not tactical operational reality, and in tactical reality in the past against republicans how did the ARW perform ?


    Curious as well, that that instructors from the gung ho ERU had to be sent over to England to be retrained by Scotland yards S019 armed Police unit (whos instructors are in turn trained by 22 SAS), why were the ARW instructors who originally trained them not used ? em.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭Irish_Army01


    Pathfinder wrote: »

    Curious as well, that that instructors from the gung ho ERU had to be sent over to England to be retrained by Scotland yards S019 armed Police unit (whos instructors are in turn trained by 22 SAS), why were the ARW instructors who originally trained them not used ? em.


    They didn't go over to get "retrained" but for further training. and I believe it was Germany they went to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,739 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    Pathfinder, Have you ever served in any military? Even the RDF? You seem very erm..Waltish.

    You type about na Fianóglach in a very condescending manner.

    These "Facts" you state are from other websites and Hearsay.

    You call the ERU "gung ho" They have shot very few people and are known to use way too much restraint.

    Another point you made is "retrained" There is Alot of crosstraining between specialist units the Western World.

    You say the Rangers see little action. (I am Paraphrasing). How do you know this? Is there no way that they could be doing stuff that we dont hear about.

    Most people dont claim that the Rangers are the Best in the World. The General concensus is they are among the Best TRAINED in the world.

    This could have been a good thread if it wasnt based on other Websites and just general Waltyness.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,084 ✭✭✭eroo


    US Rangers are advanced infantry.
    ARW are special forces.Selection does not define a unit,it's calibre and roles do.
    Do you honestly think the DF would allow every detail/aspect of selection to become public info?The whole point of selection is to test you,and you will never know what is coming around the corner..hence..A TEST.
    What gives you the right to decide that ARW are not special forces?Do you know every aspect of their SOP's,and how they operate/what missions they would be tasked with?The reason none of us do is because they are special forces,who must remain secretive at all times..just like SAS,SBS,SEALs,Delta Force etc etc.Just like any other special forces unit,they have a sniper section,parachute section and diver/boat section alongside CT teams.Still think they are similiar to the Para's?
    Just because you think their selection is easy(which I have been told,it most certainly is not) you think you can label some of the finest units in the world.You seem to be spouting absolute ****e here,taking some of your info from wikipedia:rolleyes:.

    Just because ARW haven't had movies made about them,or 'Are You Tough Enough' series,does not mean they are not SF.Fact is,we will never know half of the things ARW have done/will do,just like any other SF unit.Forget about the Andy McArseagons!Put down Bravo Two Zero and take your head out of your arse!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,084 ✭✭✭eroo


    Curious as well, that that instructors from the gung ho ERU had to be sent over to England to be retrained by Scotland yards S019 armed Police unit (whos instructors are in turn trained by 22 SAS), why were the ARW instructors who originally trained them not used ? em.

    Any evidence or just pure BS!?AFAIK,the ERU do not cross train w/ CO19(I may be corrected on this).Also,the SAS do not train every SFO w/ CO19..some teams will take part in ex's with SAS..just like ERU and ARW


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,739 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    eroo wrote: »
    US Rangers are advanced infantry.
    ARW are special forces.Selection does not define a unit,it's calibre and roles do.
    Do you honestly think the DF would allow every detail/aspect of selection to become public info?The whole point of selection is to test you,and you will never know what is coming around the corner..hence..A TEST.
    What gives you the right to decide that ARW are not special forces?Do you know every aspect of their SOP's,and how they operate/what missions they would be tasked with?The reason none of us do is because they are special forces,who must remain secretive at all times..just like SAS,SBS,SEALs,Delta Force etc etc.Just like any other special forces unit,they have a sniper section,parachute section and diver/boat section alongside CT teams.Still think they are similiar to the Para's?
    Just because you think their selection is easy(which I have been told,it most certainly is not) you think you can label some of the finest units in the world.You seem to be spouting absolute ****e here,taking some of your info from wikipedia:rolleyes:.

    Just because ARW haven't had movies made about them,or 'Are You Tough Enough' series,does not mean they are not SF.Fact is,we will never know half of the things ARW have done/will do,just like any other SF unit.Forget about the Andy McArseagons!Put down Bravo Two Zero and take your head out of your arse!

    Very Well Said eroo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Flying


    Pathfinder wrote: »
    Rhodesian Selous Scouts (Now defunct), NCOs were usually ex SAS who had fought in Malaya and Kenya.

    Perhaps the best comment on the fighting ability of the Selous Scouts is the fact that during Rhodesia’s anti-terrorist war they accounted for more dead ‘terrs’ than the rest of the Rhodesian Army combined. Formed in 1974 as the Tracker Combat Unit and eventually performing long range recon missions, tracking terrorists internally, and undertaking cross border raids against terrorist strongholds, the Selous Scouts were highly skilled, parachute trained long range recon/raiders. Their selection process was somewhat similar to that of the British SAS. In addition to parachute training, bush survival and tracking were emphasized during Scout training. Clandestine and counter-guerrilla skills were also taught. The Selous Scouts normally made operational jumps from about 500 feet using the T10 static-line parachute, but many members within the unit were also free-fall parachutist trained.
    In August, 1976, the Selous Scouts launched the first cross border strike against terrorist bases in Mozambique. In that raid alone, they killed 1,184 terrorists. Later, the Selous Scouts under took many missions in conjunction with the Rhodesian SAS which had a strength of 110 men, many of them former members of the British SAS
    ONE
    ss1.jpg
    The Selous Scouts as a regiment did not have a traditional Color, but a Standard. The dangling fly-wisks on the Standard are traditional protectors against evil spirits.
    ss2.jpg
    During bushcraft / survival training Selous Scouts are made to drink the innards of gutted game animals. Due to the many valuable nutrients that may be drunken to supplement ones diet in extreme situations.
    ss3.jpg
    Two Selous Scouts conducting night SCUBA training perform the back-roll method of entry into the water. They are training with open-circuit rigs, which emit the tell-tail bubbles.
    ss4.jpg
    A rubber raiding craft loaded with Selous Scouts performing night training operations. Which will encompass boat handling and SCUBA diving.
    ss5.jpg
    A Selous Scout being inserted by helicopter with a tracking dog, to close the gap on a follow-up operation.
    ss7.jpg
    Selous Scouts rapidly exiting an aging DC-3, via static-line parachute.
    ss8.jpg
    All Selous Scouts were trained static-line parachutist, with many also being free-fall trained.
    ss9.jpg
    Learning to gut and quarter game was an essential skill taught to all Selous Scouts during there time at the Tracking and Bushcraft course.
    ss10.jpg
    Here two Selous Scouts remove the innards of what appears to be a antelope. Scouts were also trained to eat rotten carcasses by boiling. This technique would only work once, if the scout reheated the meat a second time it would poison through a chemical change in the meat.
    ss11.jpg
    Here a Selous Scout instructor is teaching the finer points of botany. By describing signs to look for to retrieve water from vines and not poisons or irritants.
    ss12.jpg
    Selous Scout instructor demonstrating how to retrieve water from a vine.


    My Uncle was one of the and was in the RLI then went south and joined up with the South African Army theres a blast from the past, a lot of irish served in the Scouts and RLI


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Flying


    Interesting info but all can be got off the net but interesting all the same.

    Have you actually served with any military organisation at all ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Pathfinder


    eroo wrote: »
    US Rangers are advanced infantry.
    ARW are special forces.Selection does not define a unit,it's calibre and roles do.
    Do you honestly think the DF would allow every detail/aspect of selection to become public info?The whole point of selection is to test you,and you will never know what is coming around the corner..hence..A TEST.
    What gives you the right to decide that ARW are not special forces?Do you know every aspect of their SOP's,and how they operate/what missions they would be tasked with?The reason none of us do is because they are special forces,who must remain secretive at all times..just like SAS,SBS,SEALs,Delta Force etc etc.Just like any other special forces unit,they have a sniper section,parachute section and diver/boat section alongside CT teams.Still think they are similiar to the Para's?
    Just because you think their selection is easy(which I have been told,it most certainly is not) you think you can label some of the finest units in the world.You seem to be spouting absolute ****e here,taking some of your info from wikipedia:rolleyes:.

    Just because ARW haven't had movies made about them,or 'Are You Tough Enough' series,does not mean they are not SF.Fact is,we will never know half of the things ARW have done/will do,just like any other SF unit.Forget about the Andy McArseagons!Put down Bravo Two Zero and take your head out of your arse!



    Details of SAS selection are avalible, knowing how far a unit marches and how much kit it carries etc does not compromise it.

    Where did I say the ARW weren't SF ?

    As I stated what separates the ARW from elite infantry is its C3 role.

    The Parachute regiment has a long range Pathfinder units, sniper units, its soldiers are also trained in helicopter repelling, unlike many Rangers.

    Elements of the Parachute Regiment now forms the SPSG.....

    No they not similar to the Paras in as much as the Paras are a vastly more experienced unit. The ARW have very little combat experience.

    http://www.army.mod.uk/para/1bn.htm

    On completion of your first 2 years in 2 or 3 PARA you may be selected for a tour with 1 PARA who form the Special Forces Support Group (SFSG). The SFSG provides specialist infantry support to Special Forces, such as the SAS, anywhere in the world. The basic skills required to serve in 1 PARA are those you will have gained in your training and during your time in 2 or 3 PARA. You will receive further training on additional weapons, communications equipment and specialist assault skills.


    I think putting a unit that has virtually no combat experience and limited access to advanced training along side the likes of the SAS, Delta Force etc and some claiming its one of the worlds top units is arrogant in the extreme.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Flying


    Very Well Said eroo.

    Ditto selection for the ARW is far from easy but again their roles are Primarily Green although they can be tasked for black operations.

    They are also the testing ground for much of the newer equipment coming into the mainstream.

    The wing has changed from the 80's where most were very mature and solid types now in general there are a lot of muppets down there, not all but a lot of cowboys, which the older guys have no time for. But thats my 5cents


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22 headzilla


    Nobody knows what really goes on with the wing and thats what truly makes them elite, This fella is spouting out nonsense he's read off a website. Its worth nothing if you don't have first hand knowledge


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