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O'Donoghue Not Guilty of Murder

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,541 ✭✭✭Davei141


    Its different but i guess it still makes you a killer

    LOL.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    lizann wrote: »
    Wayne O Donoghue is a child killer accidential or not
    So you'd put him in the same bracket as Ian Brady? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Brady


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    I rarely return to a thread once I say I'm out of it.

    However for this one I will.

    We all thought WoD put robert in a 'headlock' which somehow caused Roberts death, and even I thought in depth about the mechanics of that.

    But we were all wrong.

    Read todays Daily Mail newspaper for WoD's statement to the guards.

    The savage bastard didn't do it with a headlock.. Nope, he had Robert in front of him, up against the car(WoD's) standing in front of him with his left hand around the front of Roberts throat squeezing the life out of him.

    Seriously, read todays Daily Mail if your really interested his what WoD had to say to the cops. It ain't like we've all imagined here.

    The complete statement is printed on pages 18,19 & 20.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,983 ✭✭✭Red Hand


    Nothing like the auld Daily Mail for accurate reporting.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,057 ✭✭✭Wacker


    Nothing like the auld Daily Mail for accurate reporting.
    Well if it comes from his own statement then it can't really be that inaccurate.

    If that is the case, then it does change my perception alright.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,638 ✭✭✭PeakOutput


    in that state pathologist documentry i vaguely remember her saying that what she thought happened was that he has a hand around the neckfirst and then ut him in a headlock i cant be sure though and there is little to no chance of me getting the dailymail as im still in bed


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    PeakOutput wrote: »
    in that state pathologist documentry i vaguely remember her saying that what she thought happened was that he has a hand around the neckfirst and then ut him in a headlock i cant be sure though and there is little to no chance of me getting the dailymail as im still in bed


    Also in his statement he repeats many times of his panic but then goes into great detail on other things, like acting normal around people, returning to the body & planning his own suicide (which reads like BS).

    Like I said, its a good read for anyone interested in hearing what WoD said to the cops.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 274 ✭✭Mrs Roy Keane


    http://www.tribune.ie/article.tvt?_scope=Tribune/News/Home%20News&id=82385&SUBCAT=Tribune/News&SUBCATNAME=News

    Wayne O'Donoghue is released, and the media is put in the dock


    HIS sentence was served, the prison gates were flung open, and then the trial got under way.

    But who exactly was in the dock?

    Last week's release of Wayne O'Donoghue was expected to herald a media frenzy. For three years, the tabloid press waited to get him out in the open, where they could see the whites of his eyes, and pummel the living daylights out of him.

    He was to go on trial for something, anything, that might sell a few papers. It was to be the case of the red-tops versus O'Donoghue, with the prosecution counsel pointing a long lens and declaring with venom: "It woz him wot done it".

    In the end, the media went on trial. The tone was set on RTE television's Questions and Answers on Monday evening.

    Evening Herald editor Stephen Rae came under attack from all quarters, as if he had invented gutter sniping and the demonisation of choice targets.

    Columnist John Waters laid into Rae, declaring that the Evening Herald was not the Supreme Court. The bearded Waters cut a biblical figure, his hair cut to an apostolic length, as he smote Rae with righteous indignation, driving him from the temple of decency. At the end of it all, the poor editor had the cut of a man who would gladly do a stint in the Midlands Prison to escape this barrage.

    Forensic evidence On Tuesday, Prime Time got down to serious business, treading forensic ground previously visited by the Sunday Tribune.

    The programme examined the unreliability of Low Copy Number (LCN) DNA profiling, the scientific process that was at the heart of the controversy around O'Donoghue's conviction for the manslaughter of 11-year-old Robert Holohan.

    LCN DNA profiling was used to identify semen found on Robert's body. The initial result suggested there was a one in 70 million chance that the material was not O'Donoghue's. The result could have been the basis for a murder rather than manslaughter prosecution. Robert's family were informed of the results.

    However, further tests dismissed the initial finding. No such evidence was introduced because it was deemed to be too weak and capable of prejudicing the trial. However, questions remained for Majella Holohan and, after her victim impact statement, for the press.

    Prime Time showed how the process has been discredited, most recently in the collapsed trial of Sean Hoey for the Omagh bombing. The programme demonstrated that O'Donoghue was given a raw deal in the perception that there was any sexual element to Robert's death. On the eve of his release, the tide was turning in favour of O'Donoghue, away from those who would want to vilify him in the future.

    On Wednesday, the Sun jumped the gun. The paper, on the streets sometime before 6am, declared that Wayne had been "spirited out of prison in the back of a van". At 7am, Wayne came through the gates in a car with his father and solicitor, Frank Buttimer. He stepped out and read a prepared statement, including an apology, to the assembled hacks. It was a master stroke by the canny Buttimer, designed to set the headline agenda. The broadcasters had their audio, the papers their pics and quotes and life had been drained from the expected chase. That evening, the Herald front page was dominated by the words: "I'm Sorry".

    Thursday's headlines carried the baton. 'Act of Contrition' blazed The Irish Independent, summing up the thrust of the coverage.

    O'Donoghue's statement also led The Star, where coverage was refreshingly neutral. The Sun, chastened from the previous day's booboo, held fire on its target with the headlines:

    'Forgive Me' and 'He's Gone'.

    British imports Only The Daily Mail and The Mirror stuck the boot in. Both fed off an attempt to set the Holohans' pain against the ending of O'Donoghue's incarceration.

    'Sorry Won't Bring Robert Back' shouted The Mirror, while The Mail declared 'No End To Majella's Anguish'. Further up the market, The Irish Examiner held the middle ground, while the Irish Times held its nose with an editorial in which there was the only reference of the day to the new press council.

    One media barometer was having none of this story. All through the week, RTE's Liveline stuck with the cystic fibrosis scandal, indicating perhaps that the tide had firmly turned on any residual animosity towards O'Donoghue.

    By Friday, the story was given life by an interview Robert's father Mark gave to theEvening Echo the previous day. In it, he called O'Donoghue's apology "a stunt" and fed the British imports with the line they wanted. The Herald got wind of the story and ran with the relatively straight: 'Holohans Reject Wayne Apology'. The Brits weren't so forgiving.

    'Stuff Your Apology' roared theCurrant Bun, back in fighting form just 48 hours after being caught with its trousers down. The Mail and Mirror hopped on board as well, but by that evening the Herald had relegated the story to its inside pages.

    On the whole, the media bandwagon acquitted itself fairly well in relation to the story. The only real venom came from the Irish editions of British tabloids, which may say something about the cultural nuances between the two islands and something else about the lack of understanding in some quarters thereof.

    The native press sniffed the air and concluded that it wouldn't take much for a rogue wind to blow up a storm of public outrage . . . directed not at O'Donoghue, but at the media itself.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 235 ✭✭lizann


    Dudess wrote: »
    So you'd put him in the same bracket as Ian Brady? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Brady

    He may not be as cold and calculating as Ian Brady but whether he killed one child and more he is still a child killer


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,638 ✭✭✭PeakOutput


    lizann wrote: »
    He may not be as cold and calculating as Ian Brady but whether he killed one child and more he is still a child killer

    yawn.......symantics


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,400 ✭✭✭Maximilian


    lizann wrote: »
    He may not be as cold and calculating as Ian Brady but whether he killed one child and more he is still a child killer

    God, there's just no talking to some people.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,554 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    God killed children in egypt, would you put him in jail?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    And the abuse I got for saying I was appalled at the James Bulger murderers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭Dinter


    Dudess wrote: »
    And the abuse I got for saying I was appalled at the James Bulger murderers.


    Yes, but when you consider who was abusing you. . .

    You could have been talking about how cold the wind was and you'd have been abused.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,400 ✭✭✭Maximilian


    MordÜff wrote: »
    God killed children in egypt, would you put him in jail?


    Hey he killed his own son too, so that's late term abortion in my book.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Dinter wrote: »
    Yes, but when you consider who was abusing you. . .

    You could have been talking about how cold the wind was and you'd have been abused.
    Should have clarified: not by that individual specifically. He doesn't count.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 235 ✭✭lizann


    Why do people feel sorry for Wayne O Donoghue?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,400 ✭✭✭Maximilian


    lizann wrote: »
    Why do people feel sorry for Wayne O Donoghue?

    Its the way he sits up and begs for treats. Also, his glossy coat.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 235 ✭✭lizann


    Maximilian wrote: »
    Its the way he sits up and begs for treats. Also, his glossy coat.

    Oh yes he has a lovely glossy coat and the way he wags his tail just brillant


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 167 ✭✭Eire 4Ever


    lizann wrote: »
    Why do people feel sorry for Wayne O Donoghue?

    I don't feel sorry for him. His actions afterwards were dispictable and he should have been charged also for this.

    I feel sorry for the Holohan family and WOD's family.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,403 ✭✭✭passive


    Yup... that input totally warrants keeping this thread going.


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