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Witcher · 23-01-2008 12:18AM

NakedDex wrote: »

I was at home that day, sitting in front of the TV when it happened. I saw every bit of it. I couldn't unglue myself from it. It was the Kennedy assaination of our era.

yeah, i came through the door and looked at the tv just as the second plane

hit the towers! :eek:

couldnt believe it

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Masada · 23-01-2008 12:28AM

NakedDex wrote: »

I was at home that day, sitting in front of the TV when it happened. I saw every bit of it. I couldn't unglue myself from it. It was the Kennedy assaination of our era.

yeah me too, they thought it was an accident at first and then we saw the second plane comming in live.,

weeder · 23-01-2008 12:38AM

meh the whole pentagon side of that incident still smells kinda fishy to me

NakedDex · 23-01-2008 12:41AM

I knew it wasn't. Manhatten island and most of New York is a no-fly zone for those very reasons. Every pilot knows to avoid that place like the plague. My initial thoughts were off cruise missiles, the larger ones can often be mistaken for aircraft. Then I saw the empenage protruding from the building and realised the angle it came in at it could only have been on purpose.

This thought still sticks in my head quite vividly to this day as I was thinking out loud when I said it and everyone in the room called me mad and paranoid. Just over a minute later the second one hit. Everyone shut up then and realised I was right and the grim realisation of what was unfolding was punctuated by the silence in the room.

I initially thought they had placed a guidance beacon near or on the towers and had somehow overriden the autopilot to track and home in on it (it sounds like something from a movie script but it's quite easily done with the right radio equipment on the ground and access to the cockpit)

Witcher · 23-01-2008 12:42AM

weeder wrote: »

meh the whole pentagon side of that incident still smells kinda fishy to me

well all you have to ask yourself is this- the plane that was supposed to have

hit the pentagon, if it didnt hit the pentagon and it was indeed a missile that

damaged it, where are the people off the plane?

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hoplite · 23-01-2008 12:45AM

Driving home from a job in Belfast listened to it on the radio.

NakedDex · 23-01-2008 12:47AM

You might want to re-read that, you're inferring there are people on the missile from what I can garner.

The thing is though, missiles aren't that accurate. Oh sure they've come a long way from FFARs and the Mk1 Sidewinder but they're are very few that are actually of any use for long range strikes and none that are so accurate you could fly them across an urban environ and into the base of one side of one wall of the Pentagon. If that was a missile, it's chose trajectory would have been steeper and would have gone for the center of the ring. Even the odds a lucky hit with any missile in the position the damage occured are very low.

And if you're wondering about where the passengers went, there are dozens of reasons that plane could have had no passengers on board.

Masada · 23-01-2008 12:49AM

weeder wrote: »

meh the whole pentagon side of that incident still smells kinda fishy to me

nah flight 93 over pensylvania sounds a lot more fishy to me, they claim that the passengers tried to take the plane back but id bet that it was shot down, the fighter jets were seen heading in its direction too.,

Witcher · 23-01-2008 12:50AM

NakedDex wrote: »

And if you're wondering about where the passengers went, there are dozens of reasons that plane could have had no passengers on board.

yeah but people were supposed to be on that plane, where are they?

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o1s1n · 23-01-2008 12:51AM

Wow. I never knew Keith Leger and 9/11 had so much in common.

Witcher · 23-01-2008 12:51AM

vtec wrote: »

nah flight 93 over pensylvania sounds a lot more fishy to me, they claim that the passengers tried to take the plane back but id bet that it was shot down, the fighter jets were seen heading in its direction too.,

they werent given permission to fire on planes until after it crashed

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NakedDex · 23-01-2008 12:55AM

Fighter/interceptors were all over the place that day and were allowed shoot down whatever they wanted given a Presidential order. I doubt any USAF pilot would want that shot though.

There's no proof to say it wasn't shot down. It bears all the hallmarks of a standard crash. If it had been shot down, by cannon or missile on an aircraft or by ground, the crash, or what was left of the plane to crash, would have looked very very different.
Also, interceptors were scrambled all over the place to escort any aircraft out of the sector as per standard no-fly zone rules over militarised areas (which the White House counts as given it's under Army/Marine protection 24/7)

Witcher · 23-01-2008 12:56AM

but if it was shot down, why would they not declare it, and say it had to be

done?

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NakedDex · 23-01-2008 12:58AM

blay1 wrote: »

yeah but people were supposed to be on that plane, where are they

There doesn't neccessarily have to be any passengers on a plane for it to fly. Ferry flights, test flights, return cargo flights, cargo flights, supply flights and a whole bunch of other reasons I could give you are all legitimate reasons for an aircraft to take off with no personell on board bar the captain, co-pilot and possibly an engineer. (I should know, I've been on a couple of these in the past)

o1s1n wrote: »

Wow. I never knew Keith Leger and 9/11 had so much in common.

Welcome to the off-topic thread, where people ramble on from topic to topic like a bunch of students on the wacky stuff at midnight.

o1s1n · 23-01-2008 12:58AM

blay1 wrote: »

but if it was shot down, why would they not declare it, and say it had to be

done?

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I'm pretty sure Joe public would rather not hear their government was shooting down air liners.

Easier to say the passengers did it. Americans love their heroes.

Masada · 23-01-2008 12:59AM

i wouldnt like to be the one taking the shot but the whole "greater good" thing comes into it, theres doubts over the crash site and the debris that was left and those claims were backed by a former boeing expert., locals also reported seeing the plane smoking before it crashed.,

Witcher · 23-01-2008 01:01AM

NakedDex wrote: »

There doesn't neccessarily have to be any passengers on a plane for it to fly..

your not getting what im trying to say,

if there were no people on the plane, where are the people that are

supposed to have died in the crashes?

are they alive somewhere?

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Masada · 23-01-2008 01:02AM

blay1 wrote: »

your not getting what im trying to say,

if there were no people on the plane, where are the people that are

supposed to have died in the crashes?

are they alive somewhere?

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yes, the government are using them as test bodies for their top secret project to develope the "Tyrant" from resident evil.,;)

NakedDex · 23-01-2008 01:06AM

vtec wrote: »

i wouldnt like to be the one taking the shot but the whole "greater good" thing comes into it, theres doubts over the crash site and the debris that was left and those claims were backed by a former boeing expert., locals also reported seeing the plane smoking before it crashed.,

Steep dives can force jet engines into a situation called flame-out. For a number of seconds around the time this happens, long trails of black-brown smoke will billow from the engine as the engine begins to choke. That could explain why they saw that smoke and possibly why they crashed too, I doubt anyone knew the restart procedure.

your not getting what im trying to say,

if there were no people on the plane, where are the people that are

supposed to have died in the crashes?

are they alive somewhere?

You're not listening to what I'm saying, planes don't need passengers to take off. Maybe there were none to begin with. Or maybe NASA kidnapped them all and carted them off somewhere to test on them in their secret underground lair...

Seriously, conspiracy theories run rampant around this stuff all the time, but the idea that passengers disappeared is just ludicrous and stupid. As I've mentioned, there are dozens of reasons that plane could be in the air without passengers.

Witcher · 23-01-2008 01:06AM

vtec wrote: »

yes, the government are using them as test bodies for their top secret project to develope the "Tyrant" from resident evil.,;)

this discussion is so far removed from airsoft, it doesnt even belong in the off

topic thread

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Masada · 23-01-2008 01:08AM

NakedDex wrote: »

You're not listening to what I'm saying, planes don't need passengers to take off. Maybe there were none to begin with. Or maybe NASA kidnapped them all and carted them off somewhere to test on them in their secret underground lair...

lol,. they would have to have been passenger aircraft to have terrorist hijackers aboard though,

Witcher · 23-01-2008 01:09AM

NakedDex wrote: »

You're not listening to what I'm saying, planes don't need passengers to take off. Maybe there were none to begin with. Or maybe NASA kidnapped them all and carted them off somewhere to test on them in their secret underground lair...

i know that, what im saying is- people lost family in the attacks they cant

just disappear, either they WERE on the planes or the government killed

them :rolleyes:

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Masada · 23-01-2008 01:11AM

maybe they were all secret agents and it was all a ploy for them to go into deep cover.,

NakedDex · 23-01-2008 01:13AM

Not necessarily. Test flights often take one or two engineers with them to monitor things. Ferry flights often take an engineer or other airline staff member who is needed at the aircrafts destination, they sometimes take reps for the airline, airframe or engines too. Cargo flights have been known to take a passenger or two from within the company on their flights too such as a loadmaster. These people are rarely recorded as being on board the aircraft because they haven't bought any tickets nor do they need to declare themselves as being there to the FAA (or so it was at the time).

A pair of overalls, a toolbox and a fake ID could get you onto the tarmac of many airports worldwide at the time. From there you just pick the one with no passengers on the manifest or the one marked as Ferry/Test and make up a story.

NakedDex · 23-01-2008 01:14AM

blay1 wrote: »

either they WERE on the planes or the government killed them

Please tell me you're joking with that statement. Seriously. You can't possibly be that naieve.

Witcher · 23-01-2008 01:17AM

NakedDex wrote: »

Please tell me you're joking with that statement. Seriously. You can't possibly be that naieve.

i was, it's just hard to know what happened, there were people missing

after the attacks, where are they gone?

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NakedDex · 23-01-2008 01:18AM

There are still people missing after the attacks. There are still people missing from ground zero. There are still people missing worldwide. Doesn't mean they were on that flight though.

weeder · 23-01-2008 01:20AM

:rolleyes: look what ive started

http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon.php

seeing that a couple years ago got me thinking, then i seen a good few conspiracy websites on the subject,the photos of the damage is more a less when you begin to question it

its all very mgs style patriots to me.

Witcher · 23-01-2008 01:20AM

NakedDex wrote: »

There are still people missing after the attacks. There are still people missing from ground zero. There are still people missing worldwide. Doesn't mean they were on that flight though.

true, but then if they wernt on the plane and didnt die in the crash, where

are they?

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Masada · 23-01-2008 01:21AM

hardly any of the people were ever found from ground zero, the familys of the victims each recieved an urn of ashes from the site to represent their loved ones.,

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