Knife training

cowzerp wrote: »

A friend of mine is looking for knife training classes, i think its more efense of knives, anyone have any info on this please? thanks

I think there is a guy who teaches Silat or Escrima who posts here. They would be very good for weapons defence training.

cowzerp wrote: »

Thanks lads, its a lad i done a private boxing lesson for, he's interested in getting his gardai brother a few sessions as a present! if anyone else has links post them please and i'll pass them on, thanks again..

I dont think anyone with a knife would stand a chance against the new extendable baton/ asp. The vibrations are a real killer after the first impact.

Karl Tanswells stuff is the most idiotic knife defense ive ever seen..

Karl Tanswell STAB course is far and away the best defence against a knife training there is. And thats that.

Remember, train a knife all you like, it's neevr gonna do martial arts.

Peace

wildgeesema.com
escrima/kali/arnis... they do short courses too, might be worth a look see.:)

john kavanagh wrote: »

tbh i've no interest in learning how to defend against a knife attack, i've enough on my plate trying to deal with 'empty handed' people but what i did like about karl's program is the fact you quickly work against committed attacks

Hey John,

I know what you are saying alright... That clip I was not me being 100% committed I could have been a lot more ferocious. But Jon's response was very cool - so that' why it's been used. He definitely puts the kibosh on me . Also that's only a sliver of what is used in Lee's Counter knife concept. I'll try and get some more stuff up there over time. Too much to convey in one clip.

On the other side of the coin, the UC systems unlike Kenpo and many mar. arts does take into account the retraction of the blade. Which will almost certainly happen during the attack (I'd have to find another demo to show you). But an old axiom states that if the blade is out it's "almost" too late. A lot of the U.C. stuff is spent actually stopping the blade before it's actually comes into play - which is far more preferable to it being out, and then having to "fend" against it (I use the term "fend" as blocking wont work at full speed). This is where you awareness comes in, and keeping your eyes on the contact's hands. If it looks like hes going to draw a weapon (via some form of body language or psychological cue). Then you would attack first, and thus "foul his draw" so to speak. The emphasis would be on a continuous attack while trying to control his weapon hand. But always striking for full impact (no kenpo "micro" striking here). Good old fashioned Head buts knees and elbows.

I been lucky enough to pressure test this stuff, and I found I could make it work pretty well. Nothing is fool proof of course... I've tried Karl's system a few times (while I was going through my knife defense stage before I was training with Lee). Trying to grab and control the weapon hand (in the way Karl does) is very difficult. In his vids the guys are also "half" committed. I can't see it working against frenzied knife attack. And there are lot of guys in the self-protection field that would agree with me.

But that's not really the issue. Best thing, and I say this to everyone; is to pressure test it. If some of the lads here can make the STAB work, well that's cool. For me however, I'd go with other methods, which I are better suited to me. My main concern with STAB (or any two handed grabbing method) is catching and then controlling the weapon arm in the initial stages of the encounter. The blade moves so fast and then it retracts before anyone has a real chance to grab it. I think it's more likely that your hands would be very badly lacerated, as the blade came in and out.

That's not including the stress either.... but that is applicable to every system.

BTW have you seen the Red Zone stuff? I think it's a lot better - think it's also by a SBG guy. Can't remember his name. I'd say you'd like it - his pressure testing is pretty good.

Here's the link for the redzone gear - might interest a few of the MMA lads:

http://www.centerlinegym.com/site/content/view/56/68/

Cheers,

R.

ryoishin wrote: »

Tell your mate to try them all and put his common sense to which one he thinks meets his needs.

Sounds like the best plan - just be sure to test it under pressure.

R.

Baggio... wrote: »

BTW have you seen the Red Zone stuff? I think it's a lot better - think it's also by a SBG guy. Can't remember his name. I'd say you'd like it - his pressure testing is pretty good..

yes i've trained with jerry (i think thats his name).

well like i said i dont have any interest in knife training tbh, staying in (fairly) good shape and improving my stand-up, clinch and ground keeps me busy enough haha

jk

I am here lurking and if any one has any direct questions i would be happy to answer.

Basically, i believe the alot of the south east asian systems to be a crock of nonsense. Full of distractions and fancy accessories.

I feel your chances would be much better when training in an Alive art such as bjj wrestling etc.

30 years in Martial arts (20 of those full time)

5 blackbelts in various systems (one of them 5th degree)

Full instructor ... jun fan/ jeet kune do and fiilipino martial arts (at that time-15 years ago , one of 4 in my country)

Instructor status ... in two silat systems

Instructor ... panantukan boxing minnosta kali group method/ric faye

Seniour instructor in Choshinkai martial arts.

Now to the ones that actually count:

Brazilian jiu jitsu blackbelt

Judo brown belt

Full instuctor SBG international

Created STAB program

Produced a world class MMA athlete and gold medalists in various combat sports.

And I also have scars from 7 knife wounds on my body (same incident)

I have probably forgot a few things, but hey, i have also been hit in the head alot.;)

Now , were was we?


WWW.SBGUK.CO.UK

No worries guys,

It is a long time that fighting with with more than guy has crossed my mind. I spend most of my time trying to work out how to survive with one guy (survive in the sport sense i mean).

I would say this, if you cannot get up and to safety with one guy, how the hell do you think you could do it while beng kicked in the head.

I WOULD ALSO SAY THIS, IF YOU ARE FIGHTING WITH MULTIPLE PEOPLE WE MAY CONSIDER...

1. WHERE YOU ARE HANGING OUT
2. MAYBE GETTING A PERSONALLY TEST

Regards grappling in the street, maybe discuise yourself as a skateboarder and get some knee and elbow pads.

i just asked my girlfriend what she thought of fighting in the street and she replied

"its okay if you are 15. And what about the dog ****"

I spent £3000 on mats a few years ago. Good investment in my opion.

cheers