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The bastardisation of Dublin Bus/16A route

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  • #92
    trellheim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,166 ✭✭✭trellheim


    A fair point and one that could be solved with GPS locators on buses since GPS works off satellite clocks.


  • #93
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,004 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    First....catch your rabbit.....We Irish are not a very Time Dependant race..it`s not part of our culture...God made Time...and Plenty of it....:)

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    Hows that for Nuclear Clocks and RTPI.... :) plus its designed and built in Eireann....Slàn Abhaile !! :)


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • #94
    shltter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,841 ✭✭✭shltter


    KC61 wrote: »
    However, this does not solve your problem. I would venture that congestion in the Beaumont area was not the problem (this is an early morning issue), but rather elsewhere on the 16/16A route and that the controller was endeavouring to bridge the gap between buses, assuming that the next bus was following not too far behind to cover the Beaumont area.

    What *should* have happened is that the communication outlined above should have taken place and you should have been afforded the opportunity to switch to a 16 or following 16A at the one available stop, which you patently were not. In these circumstances the driver is at fault for not advising the passengers who may wish to go to Beaumont of the change.

    .


    A good over all post but i disagree with you here

    1 The problem is turning from Beaumont Road onto Collins Ave the traffic coming up Grace park road fills the space on Collins Ave leaving the traffic trying to get into Collins Ave no where to go.

    Whilst other taffic can change course and continue on down Grace park road or cut up yellow road the buses sit there for change after change.

    Traffic in the general area in the run up to Christmas was diabolical with traffic backed up from the omni back down to the slip road of the new swords road on many occassions and particularly around lunchtime


    2 to categorically state that the driver was at fault when you have stated previously that he may not have been informed of the diversion before the last stop before the fly over simply contradicts yourself. The driver in all likelyhood may not have been aware of the diversion at the stop so could not have informed anyone the first stop he could have informed anyone in those circumstances would have been the stop the OP got off at. Whilst an announcement would be welcome to all intents and purposes it is closing the stable door after the horse has well and truly bolted anyone affected like the OP would have already known and the rest of the passengers don't care as they have no interest in sitting in Beaumont. So making an announcement would merely be a delay to announce what was plainly obvious and did not affect the people you are announcing it to only those who had already left the bus mumbling curses under their breath.
    However given that the OP had left the bus for all we know perhaps there was an announcement.


  • #95
    shltter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,841 ✭✭✭shltter


    Carawaystick wrote: »
    unless those disclaimers are on every single piece of advertising and timetables distributed by dublin bus, they are misleading. I've never seen a disclaimer stating the route may be changed on those rotary timetables on bus stop poles. Maybe that's changed, in the last few months.
    but if it's not there on *every* advertising piece for Dublin bus, then it's misleading and illegal.

    It is in the bye laws which when you purchase a ticket you agree to
    It is your responsibility to make yourself familiar with the various bye laws if you intend to use the service the same as all bye laws whether it is for Dublin Bus or your local park.


  • #96
    shltter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,841 ✭✭✭shltter


    MiniD wrote: »



    While this may be the official line, it's not unknown for drivers to do things they shouldn't. In a situation where a driver does decide to break off route for whatever reason, it's only natural for passengers to feel annoyed and criticise the driver. There was a Prime Time programme last year, where a large number of drivers were shown to leave their terminus point early. In some cases, this was the last bus of the evening.


    Prime time was a lazy piece of journalism they made no effort to ascertain the time the ticket machine was displaying.

    In fact just today the machine on my bus was out by nearly 3 minutes


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  • #97
    shltter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,841 ✭✭✭shltter


    IRLConor wrote: »
    :eek: That's almost a textbook example of how not to design a user interface!

    There should be a second foot switch which operates the PA (which should not need any adjustment to not squeal) or a simple rocker switch elsewhere that selects between PA and radio for the one foot switch.

    What idiot designed the system you have? Name and shame!



    A good thing too, if it's that complicated.


    If only i could who knows someone in Volvo or someone in the Fitters or someone in Dublin Bus.

    But it is fairly obvious that simple use of the PA system was not that high on the list of priorities for the designer.

    There is a bus design committee but given some of the obvious mistakes they continually make and the 5 + years they have been searching for a drivers seat that is more than an office chair bolted to the chasis i would not hold out much hope for a better design in the near future


  • #98
    MiniD
    Closed Accounts Posts: 371 ✭✭MiniD


    shltter wrote: »
    Prime time was a lazy piece of journalism they made no effort to ascertain the time the ticket machine was displaying.

    In fact just today the machine on my bus was out by nearly 3 minutes

    Prime Time was using the correct time. It was Dublin Bus which was wrong. Passengers should not have to miss a bus simply because a driver/Dublin Bus doesn't have the correct time.


  • #99
    IRLConor
    Subscribers Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭IRLConor


    shltter wrote: »
    There is a bus design committee but given some of the obvious mistakes they continually make and the 5 + years they have been searching for a drivers seat that is more than an office chair bolted to the chasis i would not hold out much hope for a better design in the near future

    Typical. :rolleyes: I'm sure that there's an off-the-shelf solution for both the PA and the seat that would work. Of course they'd have to design their own! And here was me thinking that kind of stupidity only happened in the software world...


  • #100
    shltter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,841 ✭✭✭shltter


    blackbelt wrote: »
    No,I turn left at the Beaumont House and walk the opposite way in the direction of Artane Castle and turn right to go through the estates to get to Malahide Road estates that are just up from Donnycarney.

    I saw little or no traffic on Beaumont Road either.The road was not congested so it would be easy for the bus to get to that junction without delay.Even if the traffic lights are bad on that junction,the difference wouldn't be significant..Takes approx. 4 minutes to get back onto Collins Ave.So I do know what I'm talking about.On one occasion that bus left the terminus at the exact time in accordance with the timetable.As it was later in the day outside peak airport traffic hours,there was less road traffic and thus the bus was making great time.We were at the Autoglass in Santry within 6 or 7 minutes and were flying.

    The excuse of traffic was mumbled to me when on the Shantalla Road and Beaumont Road there was very little traffic.You can see three quarters of the Beaumont Road from the Beaumont House.There is only a small stretch of road after that where the road curves left out of sight.You can see the Fruit and Veg shop slip road from there.There was no reason to divert.

    No you don't because you can not even see the junction from the Beaumount House and I suggest you have a look a google maps because the bend at the fruit and veg is not even half way up that road.

    So again you have no idea what the junction at Beaumount Road and Collins Ave was like or indeed what Collins Ave back to the Swords road was like.
    How Quickly you got to Autoglass is Irrelevant if the diversion was for Shantalla Road, Beaumount Road and Collins Ave just because traffic is flowing freely in one area does not mean it is flowing freely all over the city.

    Lastly just because the Bus left at the time of the bus you expected does not mean it was the bus you expected it could have been the Bus that was supposed to be in front happens all the time.


  • #101
    shltter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,841 ✭✭✭shltter


    MiniD wrote: »
    Prime Time was using the correct time. It was Dublin Bus which was wrong. Passengers should not have to miss a bus simply because a driver/Dublin Bus doesn't have the correct time.

    You were using it as an example of Drivers leaving early of their own accord prime time did not show anything like that.


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  • #102
    shltter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,841 ✭✭✭shltter


    IRLConor wrote: »
    Typical. :rolleyes: I'm sure that there's an off-the-shelf solution for both the PA and the seat that would work. Of course they'd have to design their own! And here was me thinking that kind of stupidity only happened in the software world...

    When I say Bus design Committee that is their name they don't actually design anything they are meant to approve the buses.

    But they managed to only a few years ago to purchase buses that the windscreen could not be seen through when the interior lights where on at night hence you see buses with only half the lights on at night time.

    Of course they tested the bus extensively before purchasing but not at night time :rolleyes:.

    Bad design is universal as Donald Norman revealed.


  • #103
    Carawaystick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Carawaystick


    shltter wrote: »
    It is in the bye laws which when you purchase a ticket you agree to
    It is your responsibility to make yourself familiar with the various bye laws if you intend to use the service the same as all bye laws whether it is for Dublin Bus or your local park.

    but national law trumps byelaws; and more recently enacted laws are usually taken in as the law when older and newer enacted laws collide.

    The NCA was passed by the Oireachtas and enacted by Duckie Martin in spring 2007. I still reckon that trumps any auld byelaws, and wipes the floors with any terms and conditions.


  • #104
    shltter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,841 ✭✭✭shltter


    Carawaystick wrote: »
    but national law trumps byelaws; and more recently enacted laws are usually taken in as the law when older and newer enacted laws collide.

    The NCA was passed by the Oireachtas and enacted by Duckie Martin in spring 2007. I still reckon that trumps any auld byelaws, and wipes the floors with any terms and conditions.


    You are wrong your argument is pure nonsense

    The timetable is an advertisement of a service but the conditions as laid out in the Dublin Bus bye-laws clearly state that the service can not be guaranteed so there is NO attempt to mislead anyone.
    It would only be misleading if Dublin Bus said that the service was guaranteed to operate at a particular time and to never divert from the advertised route and they clearly do not do that. When you purchase your ticket you do so on the basis that the bye laws apply one of which is that the service can not be guaranteed.

    In order for Dublin Bus to be misleading they would have to be fully aware that they could not deliver the service or have no intention of delivering the service at the time of advertising the service. ( for example if they said that they would get you from santry to rathfarnham in 20 minutes that would be misleading or if they promised never to divert that would be misleading as they do not have control over that )


    The logic of your suggestion would be that Dublin Bus could not have a bus operate late or have a diversion (for any reason) or they would have indulged in false advertising this is patent nonsense.


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