If you discovered your 'girlfriend' was a man.

Kazobel · 04-01-2008 04:29PM

Mairt wrote: »

Born male, always a male. I couldn't give a feck, I'm not a queer and man/man sex revolts me.

Even if he looked like a chic I think I'd kick his ass.

If I rode him, I'd defo kick his ass.

You say man/man sex revolts you so I assume you mean both having penises? but if you had sex with them then you must be talking about a post-op, who has a vagina. So how would that make you gay if all the time you thought you were having sex with a biological female? and why does that warrent kicking someones ass?

thefinalstage · 04-01-2008 04:30PM

Kazobel wrote: »

So, other than a brusied ego, what exactly would have been the long term loss that would justify such extreme repercussions?

To the his friends family he will always be known as a man lover as simply put they are always a man and what if he fell in love with the post operative female and wanted t have a family with you only to be told that that ain't happening?
I would be pissed. Still I find it hard to believe that person wouldn't know regardless of whether or not the penis was present.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 04-01-2008 04:33PM

Kazobel wrote: »

You say man/man sex revolts you so I assume you mean both having penises? but if you had sex with them then you must be talking about a post-op, who has a vagina. So how would that make you gay if all the time you thought you were having sex with a biological female? and why does that warrent kicking someones ass?

Because I still believe if your born a male your always a male, regardless what bits you decide are surplus to requirements.

cance · 04-01-2008 04:34PM

Kazobel wrote: »

So, other than a brusied ego, what exactly would have been the long term loss that would justify such extreme repercussions?

its a hideous deception, men are not women, no matter how hard they might like to think they are.

How can you NOT expect any hetrosexual man tricked into having sex with another man or having loving feelings for another man to fúcking flip out? I would class it as bad as being raped but more underhanded! at least with rape you know what you are to expect!

you can bleat on and on about how the feelings are for the person regardless of the gender. but answer me this! would said hetrosexual man allow himself to have those feelings for another person? if he knew they were a man? and even if he did he would be accepting a side of homosexuality in himself not being led down the garden path by a devious man with gender issues.

Kazobel wrote: »

You say man/man sex revolts you so I assume you mean both having penises? but if you had sex with them then you must be talking about a post-op, who has a vagina. So how would that make you gay if all the time you thought you were having sex with a biological female? and why does that warrent kicking someones ass?

a man with a vagina is still a fookin man, regardless of how mangled his penis is. The deception of being tricked into homosexual behavior is what causes the immense anger.

LadyJ · 04-01-2008 04:35PM

humbert wrote: »

Buckets of insecurity. I'd be pissed off that I'd been lied to that's about it. Really can't say if I'd be ok with it.

If my partner betrayed me in some serious way by lying about who they are
or cheating on me I'd say I'd have a tough time convincing anyone here that
kicking the sh!t out of them was justified.

Also a lot of people on AH are disgusted by hate crimes and the fact that the people
responsible get such short sentences. Well this kind of thing is almost the same imo and
not half the people who go on about how they want scumbags etc. locked up are on this thread saying that they are appalled that this kind of violent outburst could ever be condoned.

I dunno, it's just terrible that people could ever believe that it is ok to react in such a manner.

Kazobel · 04-01-2008 04:36PM

thelastangryman wrote: »

To the his friends family he will always be known as a man lover as simply put they are always a man and what if he fell in love with the post operative female and wanted t have a family with you only to be told that that ain't happening?
I would be pissed. Still I find it hard to believe that person wouldn't know regardless of whether or not the penis was present.

But who says his friends and family have to know? if she convinced him one would assume she convinced them too so all he'd have to do is tell them that they broke up, I don't see that as an excuse for voilence. As regards kids if an infertile girl told you 1 year into a relationship that she was infertile would she deserve to have the sh*t kicked out of her?

04-01-2008 04:38PM

Noone likes artifical growler!

Kazobel · 04-01-2008 04:39PM

Mairt wrote: »

Because I still believe if your born a male your always a male, regardless what bits you decide are surplus to requirements.

If you won't (or can't) answer my question (why does it warrent violence?) the don't reply but I said already I'm not getting into the "is male/isn't male" subject, it's not the topic of the thread

humbert · 04-01-2008 04:40PM

LadyJ wrote: »

If my partner betrayed me in some serious way by lying about who they are
or cheating on me I'd say I'd have a tough time convincing anyone here that
kicking the sh!t out of them was justified.

I said I'd be a bit pissed off, I wasn't in any way condoning violence. Attacking someone over that is despicable.

thefinalstage · 04-01-2008 04:43PM

Kazobel wrote: »

But who says his friends and family have to know? if she convinced him one would assume she convinced them too so all he'd have to do is tell them that they broke up, I don't see that as an excuse for voilence. As regards kids if an infertile girl told you 1 year into a relationship that she was infertile would she deserve to have the sh*t kicked out of her?

There is a difference between problems and choice. Trannies choose to change into a female and thus have no ability to make babies. Genuine females may have problems prevents them from having babies. Not a choice and thus a different scenario. In this scenario as far as the male in concerned he is beating up a man that tricked him into having sex. Simple as.

humbert · 04-01-2008 04:48PM

thelastangryman wrote: »

There is a difference between problems and choice. Trannies choose to change into a female and thus have no ability to make babies. Genuine females may have problems prevents them from having babies. Not a choice and thus a different scenario. In this scenario as far as the male in concerned he is beating up a man that tricked him into having sex. Simple as.

That probably is the attitude of such a person. In much the same way a rapist might argue that she was begging for it.

Lux23 · 04-01-2008 04:50PM

thelastangryman wrote: »

There is a difference between problems and choice. Trannies choose to change into a female and thus have no ability to make babies. Genuine females may have problems prevents them from having babies. Not a choice and thus a different scenario. In this scenario as far as the male in concerned he is beating up a man that tricked him into having sex. Simple as.

Gender Dysphoria is a recgonised medical condition, its not something people choose to have. Theres no excuse for beating the sit out of someone even they did something violent to yourself or a loved one. Its never the answer.

thefinalstage · 04-01-2008 04:50PM

humbert wrote: »

That probably is the attitude of such a person. In much the same way a rapist might argue that she was begging for it.

Not even a fair comparison. Rape is love them and leave them a (what the hell am I suppose to call a tranny?) is betrayal over a period of time. Plus there are no emotions of love involved in rape.

Lux23 wrote: »

Gender Dysphoria is a recgonised medical condition, its not something people choose to have. Theres no excuse for beating the sit out of someone even they did something violent to yourself or a loved one. Its never the answer.

In the eyes of nearly every man I have talked to they are still considered men and thus can take the beating. Its not the same as beating up a woman.

humbert · 04-01-2008 04:55PM

thelastangryman wrote: »

Not even a fair comparison. Rape is love them and leave them a (what the hell am I suppose to call a tranny?) is betrayal over a period of time. Plus there are no emotions of love involved in rape.

What on earth are you talking about.

thefinalstage · 04-01-2008 04:56PM

humbert wrote: »

What on earth are you talking about.

What are you talking about? Are you likening the the betrayal to rape?

Kazobel · 04-01-2008 04:57PM

cance wrote: »

its a hideous deception, men are not women, no matter how hard they might like to think they are.

I know it would be a terrible deception, I never said it wouldn't. I'm not trying to justify the act as I said it rarely happens and I, myself, would never do it.

cance wrote: »

How can you NOT expect any hetrosexual man tricked into having sex with another man or having loving feelings for another man to fúcking flip out? I would class it as bad as being raped but more underhanded! at least with rape you know what you are to expect!.

Rape is a bit strong a word because there was no force involved but it still doesn't justify the violence. And in the case of a pre-op there is no sex so what justifies the voilence towards them?

cance wrote: »

you can bleat on and on about how the feelings are for the person regardless of the gender. but answer me this! would said hetrosexual man allow himself to have those feelings for another person? if he knew they were a man? and even if he did he would be accepting a side of homosexuality in himself not being led down the garden path by a devious man with gender issues..

You keep going back to the "is a man/isn't a man" debate but that's not what this is about, what's the long term loss that justifies kicking the **** out of a person for telling a lie?

cance wrote: »

a man with a vagina is still a fookin man, regardless of how mangled his penis is. The deception of being tricked into homosexual behavior is what causes the immense anger.

Again, like it or not, homosexual sex requires 2 penises

humbert · 04-01-2008 04:59PM

thelastangryman wrote: »

What are you talking about? Are you likening the the betrayal to rape?

No not at all! I'm likening the actions of a scumbag trying to justify violence on the grounds that he was tricked into sex by a guy to a rapist justifying his actions by saying the girl was begging for it.

AlmightyCushion · 04-01-2008 05:01PM

Kazobel wrote: »

Again, like it or not, homosexual sex requires 2 penises

Not necessarily. It depends on the person what they consider homosexual sex. Some people think it's only gay if you're taking it.

Kazobel · 04-01-2008 05:04PM

thelastangryman wrote: »

There is a difference between problems and choice. Trannies choose to change into a female and thus have no ability to make babies. Genuine females may have problems prevents them from having babies. Not a choice and thus a different scenario.

It's not a choice, I didn't choose to be transsexual. It's a medical condition called Gender Identity disorder where my body developed differently to my brain and in effect prevented me from ever being able to bare children too.

thelastangryman wrote: »

In this scenario as far as the male in concerned he is beating up a man that tricked him into having sex. Simple as.

But why? she looks like a girl, she has a vagina, he always thought it was straight sex (which believe it is too but that's neither here nor there) so what has he lost that warrents the violence?

cance · 04-01-2008 05:07PM

Kazobel wrote: »

I know it would be a terrible deception, I never said it wouldn't. I'm not trying to justify the act as I said it rarely happens and I, myself, would never do it.

You got smacked by a bad ex, i dont blame you for what happened in that situation at all. you had an open and honest relationship ref your gender. But if had not been open or honest, i would be less sympathetic due to the gross deception.

Kazobel wrote: »

Rape is a bit strong a word because there was no force involved

Being entered into a HOMOSEXUAL situation without/against ones consent i would still class as rape

Kazobel wrote: »

You keep going back to the "is a man/isn't a man" debate but that's not what this is about, what's the long term loss that justifies kicking the **** out of a person for telling a lie?

i dont expect a transexual to understand the horror a hetrosexual man would imagine when realising he was led into homosexual activity without prior knowledge.

Kazobel wrote: »

Again, like it or not, homosexual sex requires 2 penises

according to who? i would have classed homosexual sex as sex between two people of the same gender. you can mutilate your penis implant fake breasts and take female hormones till the cows come home for all i care, it will never make you a human female.

humbert · 04-01-2008 05:08PM

The nub of the issue though is not what constitutes gay sex but what the particular person regards as gay sex, no matter how irrational. A better question is why people would become so upset anyway. If you look at it objectively it's laughable that someone would get upset because the believe they kissed/had sex with a man.

justsomebloke · 04-01-2008 05:09PM

thelastangryman wrote: »

what the hell am I suppose to call a tranny?

what ever their chosen name is would be a start.

Other then that once you initiate unwarranted violence you are a thug, and being lied to/having the truth with held from you is never a reason for violence.

Lux23 · 04-01-2008 05:10PM

thelastangryman wrote: »

In the eyes of nearly every man I have talked to they are still considered men and thus can take the beating. Its not the same as beating up a woman.

Well any man who thinks its better to beat someone up than deal with their emotions like a grown up is a coward and he may as well cut off his cock too because he isn't much of a man. They are just weak people.

seamus · 04-01-2008 05:13PM

That's pretty much it humbert.

As we've seen, what people consider to be homosexual relations and whether people consider post-op transgenders to be the new gender is the key here.

In any such situation, it would advisable to have everything in the open before sexual contact occurs.

In the case where someone considers it to be homosexual, I could understand the anger and perhaps even the need to "lash out", perhaps with a punch. I couldn't see anyone being able to justify a serious beating however, unless they had serious denial issues themselves.

Kazobel · 04-01-2008 05:14PM

thelastangryman wrote: »

Not even a fair comparison. Rape is love them and leave them a (what the hell am I suppose to call a tranny?) is betrayal over a period of time. Plus there are no emotions of love involved in rape.

That's just a contradiction

call us trannys if it makes you happy but are you trying to say here that he has the right to beat her because he loves her?

thelastangryman wrote: »

In the eyes of nearly every man I have talked to they are still considered men and thus can take the beating. Its not the same as beating up a woman.

It's very much so, hormones change our pysique, our muscle mass. We're not able to defend ourselves against a guy because we don't have the strenght so we're not "Taking a beating" we're reciving a pummeling, all for the sake of a brusied ego? or is there another reason you believe we deserve it?

justsomebloke · 04-01-2008 05:14PM

cance wrote: »

Being entered into a HOMOSEXUAL situation without/against ones consent i would still class as rape

but you would of consented. You saw the good and you ****ed it if you didn't like what you saw you shouldn't of undone your fly

thefinalstage · 04-01-2008 05:17PM

Kazobel wrote: »

It's not a choice, I didn't choose to be transsexual. It's a medical condition called Gender Identity disorder where my body developed differently to my brain and in effect prevented me from ever being able to bare children too.

You chose to have your body changed.

But why? she looks like a girl, she has a vagina, he always thought it was straight sex (which believe it is too but that's neither here nor there) so what has he lost that warrents the violence?

Not during but after. You must really be a female if you don't understand the psychology. Most males find it hard to love others. Hard to share their feelings and dreams. When these are shared a male has a large amount of trust for the person they shared them with.When they later discover that the person
they trusted has not been honest (with something as big as this) with them their first reaction is anger. The male may act on this anger or he may not. It all depends on the person. I for one would not blame the male for going bananas. I see why he would. But I do agree that beating a person up is a little extreme unless there were other circumstances.

"Hey I have to tell you something"

"What is it my love"

"I used to be a named Thomas...."

"Why would you be called Thomas? Your a girl!"

"....."

"Oh ****!"

jsb wrote: »

but you would of consented. You saw the good and you ****ed it if you didn't like what you saw you shouldn't of undone your fly

He consented to shagging a woman not a man in womans clothing.

justsomebloke · 04-01-2008 05:17PM

thelastangryman wrote: »

In the eyes of nearly every man I have talked to they are still considered men and thus can take the beating. Its not the same as beating up a woman.

what and you think handing out a beating to a man is ok? especially one who can't defend them selves properly i.e. someone smaller and weaker then you. wow you are a real hard man:rolleyes:

thefinalstage · 04-01-2008 05:21PM

jsb wrote: »

what and you think handing out a beating to a man is ok? especially one who can't defend them selves properly i.e. someone smaller and weaker then you. wow you are a real hard man:rolleyes:

PFFT! MY arse! Every Tranny I have seen has been over six foot so they can defend themselves.

Kazobel · 04-01-2008 05:21PM

cance wrote: »

You got smacked by a bad ex, i dont blame you for what happened in that situation at all. you had an open and honest relationship ref your gender. But if had not been open or honest, i would be less sympathetic due to the gross deception.

Thank you

cance wrote: »

Being entered into a HOMOSEXUAL situation without/against ones consent i would still class as rape

i dont expect a transexual to understand the horror a hetrosexual man would imagine when realising he was led into homosexual activity without prior knowledge.

according to who? i would have classed homosexual sex as sex between two people of the same gender. you can mutilate your penis implant fake breasts and take female hormones till the cows come home for all i care, it will never make you a human female

Again this goes back to the "is a man/isn't a man" and I promised a Mod I wouldn't get into that debate because it doesn't belong on this thread, all I'v asked all along is what is the exact thing that justifies beating the **** out of someone like that, what has been lost?

If you discovered your 'girlfriend' was a man.

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