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Cocaine "now the biggest killer by far" says coroner.

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  • #32
    david1two3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 179 ✭✭david1two3


    Degsy wrote: »
    If it acts as a deterent so much the better.The problem of illegal drugs killing people is not limited to the actual end user,it has spawned a multi-million euro crime empire in which people are getting murdered almost on a daily basis.Since the late 1970's for example,heroin tore the heart out of many city centre areas with people either becomming addicted or falling victim to crime as a result of addicts.Some families of ten or eleven children had the mother outlive them all,and all so people like the Dunnes and the Cahills could rake in the cash.Nowadays heroin isnt creating too many more addicts but cocaine certainly is,they might not be as visible now as the smackheads are but give it time..in the meantime gangs are turning certain areas into killing fields in order to get a bigger slice of the pie.Killian doing some charlie in Foxrock is indirectly responsible for Wacker getting shot dead in Crumlin.

    Oxfrocking cross dressers are to busy powdering their noses to be doing drugs.


  • #33
    Requiem4adream
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭Requiem4adream


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Aslo, anyone who gets shot in this country, 9 times outta ten, deserves it.

    83.2% of statistics are made up on the spot. Nobody deserves to get shot. Your value system is completely disingenuous. If a family member of yours runs into turmoil in their life and does something drastic like a courier run for a drug dealer or decides to rob a bank, they deserve to be shot do they? Or maybe it's just the stereotype scumbag you have in mind.... look bottom line imo nobody deserves to be shot, nobody "deserves" to die.

    People make mistakes, redemption and mercy are distinctly human qualities. In Ireland we abolished the death penalty long ago. Friends of my family were sentenced to Death in 1975 before the sentence being commuted to life by the President, i wasnt born then but in my lifetime since their release i've found them to be nice people. People make mistakes, by your value system they'd all be shot long before being given a chance at redemption. I cant agree with it.


  • #34
    daniel3982
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭daniel3982


    You wait until crack takes hold in Dublin like it has in Manchester and London, you've really got that to look forward to if you think it's bad with the scumbags now....

    Imagine all the social problems that heroin bought added to those of cocaine, shake it up and multiply it by 5. Scary.


  • #35
    Laslo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 831 ✭✭✭Laslo


    Cocaine "now the biggest killer by far"

    I just had to lol at this. The best thing about this kind of journalism is being able to laugh at the dumbasses who lap it up.


  • #36
    Tha Gopher
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Tha Gopher


    daniel3982 wrote: »
    You wait until crack takes hold in Dublin like it has in Manchester and London, you've really got that to look forward to if you think it's bad with the scumbags now....

    Im not sure it can. The cocaine Irish gangs are selling is so impure it cant be used to cook crack. Reason it took off in the UK is because Jamaican gangs were getting near 100% pure stuff from nearby Colombia and smuggling it in.
    Requiem4adream wrote: »
    Friends of my family were sentenced to Death in 1975 before the sentence being commuted to life by the President, i wasnt born then but in my lifetime since their release i've found them to be nice people. People make mistakes, by your value system they'd all be shot long before being given a chance at redemption. I cant agree with it.

    I presume they killed a cop, as afaik it was the only capital crime between the general abolition of the death penalty and it being thrown out entirely by the 90s.


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  • #37
    Requiem4adream
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭Requiem4adream


    Yeah Capital Murder. Did the case in Criminal Law good few years ago in college, cant exactly remember the Supreme Court ruling on it - open to correction but i think it was held that Mens Rea for Capital Murder could not be proven, as they had no reason to believe the victim was a member of the Garda Siochana (in plain clothes).


  • #38
    SubjectSean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 458 ✭✭SubjectSean


    Degsy wrote: »
    Killian doing some charlie in Foxrock is indirectly responsible for Wacker getting shot dead in Crumlin.

    Nope. Killian is just one man. The State that forced Killian and others to buy cocaine from criminals is the guilty party. Cops and customs do a superb job of keeping the price artificially high for the gangsters. Make shooting Whacker well worthwhile.


  • #39
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    SubjectSean wrote: »
    Nope. Killian is just one man. The State that forced Killian and others to buy cocaine from criminals is the guilty party. Cops and customs do a superb job of keeping the price artificially high for the gangsters. Make shooting Whacker well worthwhile.

    Jesus fúcking Christ. That is, without a shadow of a doubt, the most ridiculous statement I have ever read, and I've make quite a few ridiculous statements in my time.

    Nobody forced anyone to buy anything.

    If cocaine was legal, you would be bitching and moaning about all the coke heads wasting your tax money in A&E.


  • #40
    SubjectSean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 458 ✭✭SubjectSean


    Terry wrote: »
    I've make quite a few ridiculous statements in my time.
    .

    You are right Terry I have seen you do it :) Nobody had to force the demand, the demand was already there in the marketplace ever before the drug was made illegal. Indeed it was only because of the demand that it was made illegal. If it wasn't Killian making the demand it would be somebody else. You are failing to take account of the depth and breadth of human nature. Not everyone is like you, what gives you the right to demand that they should be?

    I don't bitch and moan about all the many accident prone pissheads and alcohol fuelled thugs and wifebeaters wasting my tax money in A&E. Explain why my position on coke would be any different given that it's equally dangerous.


  • #41
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    SubjectSean wrote: »
    You are right Terry I have seen you do it :) Nobody had to force the demand, the demand was already there in the marketplace ever before the drug was made illegal. Indeed it was only because of the demand that it was made illegal. If it wasn't Killian making the demand it would be somebody else. You are failing to take account of the depth and breadth of human nature. Not everyone is like you, what gives you the right to demand that they should be?

    I don't bitch and moan about all the many accident prone pissheads and alcohol fuelled thugs and wifebeaters wasting my tax money in A&E. Explain why my position on coke would be any different given that it's equally dangerous.

    Off to the conspiracy theories forum with you.

    It was made illegal because it is highly dangerous, not because people wanted to do it.

    This bollix is akin to Godwin's law.
    Every time someone mentions legalising a certain drug, alcohol, tobacco and caffeine are drawn into it, when there is no real comparison.

    I'm gonna call this "Terry's law".


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  • #42
    faceman
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,691 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    Terry wrote: »
    If cocaine was legal, you would be bitching and moaning about all the coke heads wasting your tax money in A&E.

    Well said.


  • #43
    panda100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,551 ✭✭✭panda100


    prendy wrote: »
    would old age not be the biggest killer in Ireland.
    id say cancer 2nd?
    !
    He was talking about the biggest killer of young people. However,cocaine isnt the biggest killer of young people. Suicide is,followed by RTA's.

    I have never touched cocaine or would ever dream of touching it until the recent media hype. Alll the pics and articles in every newspaper in Ireland recently has made me slightly intrested in cocaine and seeing what all the fuss is about......is that wrong :o


  • #44
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    panda100 wrote: »

    I have never touched cocaine or would ever dream of touching it until the recent media hype. Alll the pics and articles in every newspaper in Ireland recently has made me slightly intrested in cocaine and seeing what all the fuss is about......is that wrong :o


    All the pics of people who died having taken it?:eek:
    or
    The pics and articles about the how its a glamorous drug and everyone is doing it, wanted to make you take it?

    Yeah do it but if you do and die Im deleting this


  • #45
    Laslo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 831 ✭✭✭Laslo


    Terry wrote: »
    Every time someone mentions legalising a certain drug, alcohol, tobacco... are drawn into it, when there is no real comparison.

    Utter, utter nonsense.


  • #46
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Terry wrote: »
    Every time someone mentions legalising a certain drug, alcohol, tobacco and caffeine are drawn into it, when there is no real comparison.


    Can use I caffeine then instead as a comparison?


  • #47
    SubjectSean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 458 ✭✭SubjectSean


    Terry wrote: »
    Off to the conspiracy theories forum with you.

    It was made illegal because it is highly dangerous, not because people wanted to do it.

    This bollix is akin to Godwin's law.
    Every time someone mentions legalising a certain drug, alcohol, tobacco and caffeine are drawn into it, when there is no real comparison.

    I'm gonna call this "Terry's law".

    Cocaine was highly dangerous when first synthesised in the Victorian era but it was not made illegal until much later when demand increased. You seem to think that over 50 years passed before anybody noticed that cocaine was dangerous. How this could have happened?

    Terry's Law refuses to compare recreational drugs with recreational drugs despite the opinions of academia and the medical profession. I find this really retarded and would like to rename it the "Ostrich Law"


  • #48
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    SubjectSean wrote: »
    Terry's Law refuses to compare recreational drugs with recreational drugs despite the opinions of academia and the medical profession. I find this really retarded and would like to rename it the "Ostrich Law"

    I would like to second that
    The ostrich law is a much more suitable name


  • #49
    SubjectSean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 458 ✭✭SubjectSean


    panda100 wrote: »

    I have never touched cocaine or would ever dream of touching it until the recent media hype. Alll the pics and articles in every newspaper in Ireland recently has made me slightly intrested in cocaine and seeing what all the fuss is about......is that wrong :o

    Never mind 'em. Most of the media types supplying you with the hype are coke heads themselves. It is a vacuous empty drug for vacuous empty people with vacuous empty lives. This is why it is such a popular drug in the West. Really Panda you're better off not investigating this waste of money.


  • #50
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    Terry wrote: »
    Off to the conspiracy theories forum with you.

    It was made illegal because it is highly dangerous, not because people wanted to do it.

    This bollix is akin to Godwin's law.
    Every time someone mentions legalising a certain drug, alcohol, tobacco and caffeine are drawn into it, when there is no real comparison.

    I'm gonna call this "Terry's law".

    Bam.


  • #51
    Requiem4adream
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭Requiem4adream


    lmfao. well played sir!


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  • #52
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    Requiem4adream wrote: »
    lmfao. well played sir!
    They kept taking it down. :(

    Original text:
    '''Terry's law''' (Also known as '''Terry's theory of ridiculous internet arguements № 1''')

    Based on Godwin's Law which states that: <blockquote>"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."</blockquote> This adage shows that when an online discussion about the legalisation of certain drugs is created, it is inevitable that someone will instantly pipe in and state how it is really unfair that Alcohol, Tobacco and Caffeine are legal, while Cannabis, Cocaine and Heroin are still illegal in most places.

    After a certain amount of time, the discussion becomes cyclical and utterly pointless, with both sides being completely unmoved by the arguement put forward by the opposing side.

    Many will argue that prohibition has been proven to fail and point ot the rise of criminal gangs in early 20th Century United states of America, through illegal distillation and distribution of alcohol, coupled with speakeasies.

    The other side will often point out that the prohibition of many recreational drugs is in the interest of the safety of the majority of the population.

    Basically, and again in a similar vein to Godwin's law, this law states that the first person to argue for the legalisation of certain recreational drugs by using alcohol, tobacco or caffeine as a reference point instantly loses the arguement.


    ==History==
    Terry has stated that he created this law after seeing one too many inane arguements on the Irish based website boards.ie


    ==Corollaries and usage==
    Terry's law applies especially to inappropriate, inordinate, or hyperbolic comparisons of ancient laws, archaic traditions and times when less was known about the dangers of synthetic drugs.


    == See also ==
    * Internet troll
    * List of adages named after people
    * Godwin's law


    ==External links==
    * [http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=54734397&postcount=41 Where the idea for this article arose]


  • #53
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,620 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Terry wrote: »
    They kept taking it down. :(

    Original text:

    Adding nonsense to wikipedia is mega cool :):):)


  • #54
    Dave!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,856 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    Still waiting for Ostrich Law to go up........!!!


  • #55
    Wertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,909 ✭✭✭✭Wertz


    Is it really such a surprise that cocaine is such a big killer? Given that it's usually used in conjunction with alcohol and usually Irish amounts of alcohol and given that in a lot of cases it's also used alongside ecstasy, both of which are killers in themselves, added to the huge increase in usage across so many classes of the populous, it would be more surprising that it wasn't such a big killer.
    It's the way it's reported here that is inaccurate as already pointed out by so many.
    When I heard this originally (in the radio reports during the inquest into the two guys that went for a cool-off in the canal) I knew that the gutter press would jump on it the next day and blow it out of proprtion, especially in the wake of Ms French.

    Windsock's link to teh death stats is interesting....some of the biggest killers on that list are "lifestyle" diseases; lung/liver cancer, heart disease and other smoking/drinking related diseases and they seriously dwarf our combined road death, suicide and drug poisoning figures...but yet we never see glaring headlines about those lifestyle diseases...everyone just heads off down the pub or off out to the beer garden for a fag and talks in shock-horror tones about the evil drugs killing everyone.

    Terry's Law is all well and good but it's his own personal viewpoint on the whole thing; he doesn't like people messing about with illegal recreational drugs or advocating their usage and he certainly doesn't like anyone pointing the finger at his lifestyle choices and directly comparing them to those who decide to break the law in search of their escape/high/downer. He's entitled to that opinion and I can see why he get's a bit annoyed when people start spouting on about anadins and cups of tea in a debate on dangerous substances, but really, the comparisons with alcohol and tobacco are somewhat warranted in terms of comparable damage caused by those substances on a scalable amount with illegal drugs.


  • #56
    Karl Hungus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,130 ✭✭✭✭Karl Hungus


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0sF165AiIk


    FYI, the coke that the admins provide to the moderators of boards.ie is 100% columbian gold, and perfectly safe. ;)

    :p


  • #57
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    Wertz wrote: »
    Terry's Law is all well and good but it's his own personal viewpoint on the whole thing; he doesn't like people messing about with illegal recreational drugs or advocating their usage and he certainly doesn't like anyone pointing the finger at his lifestyle choices and directly comparing them to those who decide to break the law in search of their escape/high/downer. He's entitled to that opinion and I can see why he get's a bit annoyed when people start spouting on about anadins and cups of tea in a debate on dangerous substances, but really, the comparisons with alcohol and tobacco are somewhat warranted in terms of comparable damage caused by those substances on a scalable amount with illegal drugs.

    I don't really get annoyed. I just think it's ridiculous to compare cocaine to alcohol, caffeine to nicotine, alcohol to heroin etc.
    They are completely different substances that just happen to fall under the same catergory.

    Peas and carrots are both vegetables, but one grows below the ground and the other grows above the ground in pods.
    The most important thing is that they have different nutritional values.

    Comparing peas and carrots is pretty much akin to comparing alcohol and cocaine.


    Edit: I also don't care what any of you do in your spare time. Just don't come near me if you are using illegal drugs.


  • #58
    Wertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,909 ✭✭✭✭Wertz


    Alright, but when someone keeps spouting ridiculous things to me ad nauseum, I tend to get a "bit annoyed"....perhaps exasperated is a better word in your case.

    I don't think cocaine should be dropped from the prohibited list although I've taken it in the past and will probably take it in the future. That said, I don't think the prohibition of cocaine has worked, and in some respects it has been counterproductive. Perhaps it's illegality has kept the masses safe (or used to) but that illegality has also lead to the social problems surrounding it's trade both here and abroad. It can be argued that it's use ,illegal or not ,has lead to social and health problems amongst it's users; legal status would be unlikely to positively affect that.
    It's between a rock and a hard place. Legal or non-criminal status wouldn't work, whatever about it working for weed, or maybe E and heroin, IMO....although perhaps a drop off in it's notoriety might make it a less desirable thing for people to try.

    On your vegetables analogy, yeah fair enough, I don't think you can compare coke with alcohol, two widely varying effects, one obviously a fair bit more likely to directly harm or kill you...but I notice you also get a "bit annoyed", exasperated, whatever, when comparisons are made with cannabis and alcohol. I do think comparisons between the two can and should be made WRT the legal status of cannabis....but that's for another (another!) thread...


  • #59
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    Screw wikipedia up their stupid arses.


  • #60
    Keith186
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,271 ✭✭✭Keith186


    It's funny the way they say the gangs use drugs to fund illegal activity.
    They don't make loads of money from drugs then say 'right lads lets use all this money for illegal stuff'. They just sell drugs to make money and rob banks when they blow all the other money to fund a new order for drugs again.


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  • #61
    Dave!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,856 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    Good job Terry. I look forward to you linking to that in future threads whenever you want to avoid a debate. Usually you just quote the selective parts that you can answer, or else make some reference to us all being stoners (usually while you're drunk, god you're such a laugh, har har), but this should make it much more interesting.


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