Capello Confirmed

An Citeog · 15-12-2007 05:05PM

The last English manager to win anything of note was McLaren in 2004, when Middlesbrough won the Carling Cup. If you exclude the League Cup, the last English manager to win anything was Joe Royle in 1995 when he won the FA Cup with Everton. McLaren's been deemed as not good enough by the English media and fans, so where were the FA supposed to find a manager? How can the English public expect their national team to win or at least challenge for major honours with an English manager when English managers can't even prosper in their own domestic league?

England have some quality players, who are more than capable of challenging for major honours. Whether Capello is the man to lead them there remains to be seen, but I definitely believe that the FA picked the best candidate for the job.

Rikand · 15-12-2007 05:14PM

Unearthly wrote:

I heard people saying they tried the foreigner route after Sven left.

hehe, at least Sven got them to a major finals and despite playing very poorly got them much further than they deserved

herbieflowers · 15-12-2007 05:17PM

Sven had one of the highest win percentages of any England manager...the games he lost just happened to be quarter-finals!

An Citeog · 15-12-2007 05:20PM

herbieflowers wrote: »

Sven had one of the highest win percentages of any England manager...the games he lost just happened to be quarter-finals!

And all against Big Phil!

DSB · 15-12-2007 06:20PM

Does no1 else find the comments of Ince, Redknapp etc. to be blatantly racist?

Unearthly · 15-12-2007 07:01PM

DSB wrote: »

Does no1 else find the comments of Ince, Redknapp etc. to be blatantly racist?

xeonophobic I would more say

So sad

DSB · 15-12-2007 07:24PM

Yeah. I can only imagine the hullabaloo that would be created if any manager complained about their being a black man appointed so I don't understand how they can get away with this.

OPENROAD · 15-12-2007 08:15PM

DSB wrote: »

Does no1 else find the comments of Ince, Redknapp etc. to be blatantly racist?

No.

DSB · 15-12-2007 08:18PM

Good argument. Well put together. Would read again.
A+

OPENROAD · 15-12-2007 08:26PM

DSB wrote: »

Good argument. Well put together. Would read again.
A+

A right smart alec, you asked a question I gave an answer,I did not interpret the comments as racist, does not have to be a reason, is that good enough for you :rolleyes:

DSB · 15-12-2007 08:43PM

Well generally forums are about giving your opinions and then explaining why, hence them also being known as discussion boards, but sure whatever tickles your fancy.

OPENROAD · 15-12-2007 08:49PM

DSB wrote: »

Does no1 else find the comments of Ince, Redknapp etc. to be blatantly racist?

OK, explain why you think the comments are blatantly racist.

DSB · 15-12-2007 10:22PM

Well its assuming that someone shouldn't get a job on basis of nationality isn't it? Would that be ok in any other profession?

OPENROAD · 15-12-2007 11:11PM

DSB wrote: »

Well its assuming that someone shouldn't get a job on basis of nationality isn't it? Would that be ok in any other profession?

Fair enough, however an argument has been put forward by many this week including foreigners that the England job(any international job) should go to a person from that country.It has also been argued that football is different from other professions. I really don't think the people you mentioned are in any way racist and my interpretation of their point was that English managers are just not been given the chance. That they are doing all the coaching courses etc but at the end of the day are not getting a look in for the top jobs.It is not a view I share personally although I can see their argument to a certain extent. I feel that at the moment they are just not good enough for that level. However in a few years times the likes of Paul Ince, Tony Adams, Pearce may well come through.

DSB · 16-12-2007 12:04AM

Em England's last manager was English, as were pretty much all the 1s before that with the exception of Eriksson and maybe 1 or 2 more that I've forgotten (I don't think there was more though?). So its clearly not that they think English managers dont get the chance. They don't want foreign managers playing the role at all.

OPENROAD · 16-12-2007 12:16AM

DSB wrote: »

Em England's last manager was English, as were pretty much all the 1s before that with the exception of Eriksson and maybe 1 or 2 more that I've forgotten (I don't think there was more though?). So its clearly not that they think English managers dont get the chance. They don't want foreign managers playing the role at all.

Not saying I agree with them, quite the opposite, however it is an argument being put forward that English managers are not gettting the top jobs i.e. in the premiership and it is fashionable to have a foreign manager. I just feel that the argument is not solely on the national team, it is being argued that chairmen of medium sized clubs would rather go for a foreign manager rather than an English one. My opinion is that the mangers you named are taking this into account in their points. So back to your op I don't view the comments as racist. And the individuals in question I think you will agree are not racist.

mike65 · 16-12-2007 12:22AM

Its not racist as Capello is a caucasian European the last time I looked. Xenophobia and self-interest are at play. Correct use of terms is always helpful unless out to make trouble.

Mike.

OPENROAD · 16-12-2007 12:31AM

mike65 wrote: »

Xenophobia and self-interest are at play. Mike.

My own view is that self-interest is at play.

DSB · 16-12-2007 03:02AM

mike65 wrote: »

Its not racist as Capello is a caucasian European the last time I looked. Xenophobia and self-interest are at play. Correct use of terms is always helpful unless out to make trouble.

Mike.

The Italians aren't a race now?

DSB · 16-12-2007 03:03AM

OPENROAD wrote: »

And the individuals in question I think you will agree are not racist.

What is your basis on saying this? I don't know these people well enough to know what they are like in their every day life. I'm judging them on this 1 ridiculous bigoted action.

mike65 · 16-12-2007 01:24PM

The Italians are a nationality not a race, DSB maybe you should use dictionary.com to look up some word defintions.

Mike.

DSB · 16-12-2007 01:47PM

1. a group of persons related by common descent or heredity.

Your posts baffle me at times.

Mr. Presentable · 16-12-2007 03:22PM

DSB wrote: »

1. a group of persons related by common descent or heredity.

Your posts baffle me at times.

Completely off topic, but even if your interpretation were correct, it wouldn't apply to Italy. For example, the part of Italy Capello was born in was Croatia less than one hundred years ago, and Italy as a nation has only existed for about 150 years.

mike65 · 17-12-2007 02:23PM

Boy this press conference is heavy going. Some woman just asked a question about sexy football (cough).

And some dumbass from a tabloid just "accused" Fabio of never signing an English player and asked why. Dope.

Mike.

Bubs101 · 17-12-2007 02:58PM

I thought the question about an English player was a fair one. If he really believes English players have quality then why has he never signed one despite his clubs having massive transfer kitties. Why is that a bad question

mike65 · 17-12-2007 03:09PM

The qusetion smacked of hostility - "why should we hire you, cos you were'nt nice to 'our boys'" type nonsense.

Why should he sign players from a particular nationality just in case he get the national team of that country years later?

Also as discussed elsewhere on this board there have been few good reasons to leave the EPL if you are a successful English player.

Mike.

eZe^ · 17-12-2007 03:12PM

Bubs101 wrote: »

I thought the question about an English player was a fair one. If he really believes English players have quality then why has he never signed one despite his clubs having massive transfer kitties. Why is that a bad question

How many top quality English players have suceeded in Italy/ Spain?

kinaldo · 17-12-2007 03:16PM

eZe^ wrote: »

How many top quality English players have suceeded in Italy/ Spain?

The few that do leave have all been success stories - Linekar, Platt, Gascoigne, Ince, McManaman, Beckham and Owen spring to mind. Even Woodgate was a hit barring the whole injury nightmare.

genericgoon · 17-12-2007 03:31PM

But english players are often (a)overpriced and (b)not really suited to continental football

Fratton Fred · 17-12-2007 07:26PM

genericgoon wrote: »

But english players are often (a)overpriced and (b)not really suited to continental football

overpaid, oversexed and err over there:p

Capello Confirmed

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