Shamrock Rovers win Tallaght Stadium case

super_furry · 14-12-2007 01:37PM #1

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2007/1214/shamrockrovers.html

Apparantly the judge was scathing in his assesment of Thomas Davis and their case. Leave to appeal to the Supreme Court is extremely unlikely as they would have to prove that the case was in the national interest and costs, which have run into the low millions, are expected to be awarded against the GAA Club.

Tomthepost · 14-12-2007 03:56PM

I am delighted.:D
TD are greedy. Plenty of good facilities. Hope they get stuck with huge legal bill.
Great to see Irelands most famous soccer team finally get their own home after years of hardship.

DonJose · 14-12-2007 04:21PM

Great news!!!

Raytown Rocks · 14-12-2007 04:28PM

Great news for Rovers.
Have to say I was never behind Thomas davis on this.

damonjewel · 14-12-2007 05:00PM

Thomas Davis GAA club should have known the legal cost of this if they lost. I guess they'd probably appeal. personally I hope its the end of it, its a shagging eye sore and this whole saga is a real shame

Nalced_irl · 14-12-2007 05:13PM

Just saw this on the Boden website:

Tallaght Stadium - News Release Thomas Davis/Dublin County Board
[ Fri, 14th Dec 2007 ]
Thomas Davis GAA Club/Dublin County Board

Thomas Davis GAA Club and the Dublin County Committee of the GAA have noted the decision of Mr Justice Roderick Murphy in relation to SDCC’s plan to develop a stadium in Tallaght. We are clearly disappointed that Justice Murphy decided to uphold the SDCC’s resolution of 13 February 2006 to develop the Stadium as a soccer only stadium, notwithstanding that this resolution was made outside the time limits prescribed by the relevant planning legislation.

We will be reviewing the detailed judgement in the case over the coming weeks in conjunction with our legal advisors before deciding whether to appeal the judgement. Our intentions remain as they always have been, to ensure that this major infrastructural investment in Tallaght, which is to be funded almost exclusively from Government monies, is available for use by all sports codes.

We are very conscious of Shamrock Rovers requirement that the Stadium be completed and available for their use as soon as possible. Our analysis in the coming weeks will take account of how that requirement might be met, whilst respecting the GAA’s objective of having shared use of the Stadium in the medium term.

We point out that the Tallaght Stadium issue is one, which the GAA considers completely separate to its development plans for Rathcoole. Recent developments in relation to the Rathcoole site are set to accelerate its development by the GAA as a Centre of Excellence for the development of underage and adult teams on the Southside. There have never been any plans to develop a stadium at Rathcoole. Use of Tallaght Stadium, on the other hand, serves the GAA’s ambition to have a suitable venue available to facilitate and promote inter-county games at all levels on the south side of Dublin.

Christopher O’Donnell John Costello
Chairman Dublin GAA Board

Nalced_irl · 14-12-2007 05:14PM

I dont know enough about it but would have been nice to have an intercounty ground so close to me

TheBigLebowski · 14-12-2007 05:23PM

Nalced_irl wrote: »

Just saw this on the Boden website:

Tallaght Stadium - News Release Thomas Davis/Dublin County Board
[ Fri, 14th Dec 2007 ]
Thomas Davis GAA Club/Dublin County Board

Thomas Davis GAA Club and the Dublin County Committee of the GAA have noted the decision of Mr Justice Roderick Murphy in relation to SDCC’s plan to develop a stadium in Tallaght. We are clearly disappointed that Justice Murphy decided to uphold the SDCC’s resolution of 13 February 2006 to develop the Stadium as a soccer only stadium, notwithstanding that this resolution was made outside the time limits prescribed by the relevant planning legislation.

We will be reviewing the detailed judgement in the case over the coming weeks in conjunction with our legal advisors before deciding whether to appeal the judgement. Our intentions remain as they always have been, to ensure that this major infrastructural investment in Tallaght, which is to be funded almost exclusively from Government monies, is available for use by all sports codes.

We are very conscious of Shamrock Rovers requirement that the Stadium be completed and available for their use as soon as possible. Our analysis in the coming weeks will take account of how that requirement might be met, whilst respecting the GAA’s objective of having shared use of the Stadium in the medium term.

We point out that the Tallaght Stadium issue is one, which the GAA considers completely separate to its development plans for Rathcoole. Recent developments in relation to the Rathcoole site are set to accelerate its development by the GAA as a Centre of Excellence for the development of underage and adult teams on the Southside. There have never been any plans to develop a stadium at Rathcoole. Use of Tallaght Stadium, on the other hand, serves the GAA’s ambition to have a suitable venue available to facilitate and promote inter-county games at all levels on the south side of Dublin.

Christopher O’Donnell John Costello
Chairman Dublin GAA Board

Thomas Davis GAA club ought to be ashamed of themselves. Even by the GAA's low standard, they are an embarrassment.

The Chessplayer · 14-12-2007 05:35PM

TheBigLebowski wrote: »

Thomas Davis GAA club ought to be ashamed of themselves. Even by the GAA's low standard, they are an embarrassment.

I hope Thomas Davis appeal this decision. Very unfair ruling. Shamrock Rovers should be ashamed of themselves.

TheBigLebowski · 14-12-2007 05:38PM

The Chessplayer wrote: »

I hope Thomas Davis appeal this decision. Very unfair ruling. Shamrock Rovers should be ashamed of themselves.

The more they appeal, the more it'll cost them in the long run, both in monetary and reputation terms, that is if they have any of either left...

patmac · 14-12-2007 05:39PM

TheBigLebowski wrote: »

Thomas Davis GAA club ought to be ashamed of themselves. Even by the GAA's low standard, they are an embarrassment.

Even by your standard's that post is an embarrassment set to antagonise the GAA boards.

DonJose · 14-12-2007 06:04PM

Whats the average attendance for a Thomas Davis senior game?

Nalced_irl · 14-12-2007 06:11PM

patmac wrote: »

Even by your standard's that post is an embarrassment set to antagonise the GAA boards.

Indeed, as soon as one gets banned another turns up. Second account perhaps? Mods? Anyway, best to ignore....or rip the p1ss, but i did tell the mods i wont do that.

DonJose, nowhere close to what the stadium would hold but it was meant to stage some intercounty games also as far as i can tell which would bring in a few thousand. No idea how many intercounty games, only know a small bit about all this.

An Citeog · 14-12-2007 06:32PM

Have to say, I'm with Shamrock Rovers on this. Thomas Davis were fighting a losing battle from day 1. The DCB should accept the ruling and cut their losses.

grahamo · 14-12-2007 06:42PM

I'm from Tallaght and am delighted for Rovers as are most people from Tallaght. Thomas Davis put their own interests before the the people of Tallaght's interests.

TheBigLebowski · 14-12-2007 07:34PM

Nalced_irl wrote: »

Indeed, as soon as one gets banned another turns up. Second account perhaps? Mods? Anyway, best to ignore....or rip the p1ss, but i did tell the mods i wont do that.

Why should I get banned? For discussing the laughing stock that Thomas Davis have become? Are they not a GAA club? Is this not a GAA discussion board?

They should accept the decision of the Judge and get over it, but they most probably won't...

applehunter · 14-12-2007 08:43PM

Who in Thomas Davids is paying for the cost of this judicial review?

What a waste of ****ing money!

And a site in Rathcoole ready to be developed.

Even talking to a St. Judes man tonight and he was wondering the same thing. Is this Thomas Davis or a select few gowls in their committee?:mad:

super_furry · 14-12-2007 09:12PM

applehunter wrote: »

Who in Thomas Davids is paying for the cost of this judicial review?

What a waste of ****ing money!

And a site in Rathcoole ready to be developed.

Even talking to a St. Judes man tonight and he was wondering the same thing. Is this Thomas Davis or a select few gowls in their committee?:mad:

The funding for the case will come from the Dublin Board's coffers after they went guarentors for Thomas Davis before the case began. It was a futile waste of money and one that may cost the Dublin GAA big. At the very least Thomas Davis will have to pay their own costs, but it's more likely they'll be told to cover all costs.

Don't misunderstand, this wasn't just Thomas Davis or Kennedy acting on their own, they had the full backing of Croke Park.

Flukey · 14-12-2007 09:39PM

That half finished stadium has been sitting there for years, so it was about time it all got sorted. I've no problem with Shamrock Rovers winning on this, as it was to be there stadium to begin with.

ghost1966 · 14-12-2007 09:43PM

super_furry wrote: »

The funding for the case will come from the Dublin Board's coffers after they went guarentors for Thomas Davis before the case began. It was a futile waste of money and one that may cost the Dublin GAA big. At the very least Thomas Davis will have to pay their own costs, but it's more likely they'll be told to cover all costs.

Don't misunderstand, this wasn't just Thomas Davis or Kennedy acting on their own, they had the full backing of Croke Park.

South Dublin County Council will be obliged to pursue TD for costs as it is public money that has been spent similar to the rtevbevcooperflynn case.

SligoBrewer · 14-12-2007 09:47PM

Thanks be to God shams won. Thomas Davis were shameful tbh.

Zzippy · 14-12-2007 09:54PM

I feel sorry for the people of Tallaght. What did they do to deserve Shambolic Rovers? As if they haven't enough problem of their own, they'll have a couple of hundred soccer hooligans turning up on their doorstep every home game... nice!

SligoBrewer · 14-12-2007 10:13PM

Galwayguy99 wrote: »

I feel sorry for the people of Tallaght. What did they do to deserve Shambolic Rovers? As if they haven't enough problem of their own, they'll have a couple of hundred soccer hooligans turning up on their doorstep every home game... nice!

Shamrock Rovers are Ireland's most successful football club. It's an honour to have them in your area.

Pride Fighter · 14-12-2007 10:50PM

I was always on Rover's side in this one. What they went through 20 years ago was a disgrace. Hopefully they dont get too strong though, I support St. Pats. TD based their argument on the fact they got govt funding and as a result the stadium should be for everyone. Well what about the GAA's stadia, should they be open to all as they were funded by the govt. Rovers offered the stadium for junior matches, they will probably withdraw that now and you cant blame them. The govt should fund stadia for all sports, the facilities are shocking in many cases in all codes of sport. On a side note, go on Vinnies!!!!!

thirdmantackle · 14-12-2007 10:52PM

I hope thomas davis and DCB appeal.

this ground should also be used for GAA and rugby games if SDCC are putting so much money into it

why should Rovers get a new stadium for practically nothing?

Pride Fighter · 14-12-2007 10:52PM

SligoBrewer wrote: »

Shamrock Rovers are Ireland's most successful football club. It's an honour to have them in your area.

Your right, they have genuine history and pedigree. Dundalk were a goal away from a European Cup quarter final in the 70's they are Ireland's second most successful club.

applehunter · 14-12-2007 11:12PM

Galwayguy99 wrote: »

I feel sorry for the people of Tallaght. What did they do to deserve Shambolic Rovers? As if they haven't enough problem of their own, they'll have a couple of hundred soccer hooligans turning up on their doorstep every home game... nice!

The people of Tallaght have had to put up with that eyesore for the last decade. whatever the result it means the builders can complete the job.

Look at the positives. It will bring a better community spirit to Tallaght.

thirdmantackle · 14-12-2007 11:37PM

Shamrock Rovers are Ireland's most successful football club.

one of the most financially mismanaged businesses in Ireland

along with half the other eircom league teams.

there are bigger attendances at gaa club games down in Tipp

SligoBrewer · 14-12-2007 11:47PM

thirdmantackle wrote: »

one of the most financially mismanaged businesses in Ireland

Who are now reformed and building back again, becoming the most financially efficient team in the league.:rolleyes:

thirdmantackle wrote: »

there are bigger attendances at gaa club games down in Tipp

yeah.. guess so:rolleyes:

Zzippy · 14-12-2007 11:48PM

I don't know about positives. A club sells its ground to developers for a large amount of money. Then through mismanagement they can't acquire a ground of their own, so they go on a magical mystery tour of grounds. Out of funds, they turn to the council in a totally different area to their original ground, and are given a brand new stadium free of charge, paid for by you, Joe Taxpayer.
Meanwhile, the local GAA club, which has spent decades developing young players and offering a social outlet in a deprived area, gets no support, and sees another rival sport given this facility. A rival sports club, that with its reputation for a hooligan following, doesn't exactly offer a healthy social outlet. No wonder they're upset...
AFAIK its a stadium built entirely with public funds. Why should any club be given a new stadium free of charge and given exclusive use? Why shouldn't other sports expect to be able to use a publicly-funded facility?

SligoBrewer · 15-12-2007 12:02AM

Galwayguy99 wrote: »

Out of funds, they turn to the council in a totally different area to their original ground, and are given a brand new stadium free of charge, paid for by you, Joe Taxpayer.

WRONG. Shamrock Rovers have put their own money into the stadium and went broke building it.

Galwayguy99 wrote: »

Meanwhile, the local GAA club, which has spent decades developing young players and offering a social outlet in a deprived area, gets no support, and sees another rival sport given this facility. A rival sports club, that with its reputation for a hooligan following, doesn't exactly offer a healthy social outlet. No wonder they're upset...

Shamrock Rovers have as much community input as TD now and actively discourage the hooliganism element.
http://www.shamrockrovers.ie/schoolboys/index.php

Galwayguy99 wrote: »

AFAIK its a stadium built entirely with public funds. Why should any club be given a new stadium free of charge and given exclusive use? Why shouldn't other sports expect to be able to use a publicly-funded facility?

Why should the whole stadium be torn apart when there are perfect GAA facilities nearby? Ridiculous tit for tat from TD
Why should Croker with public money be used exclusively for GAA?
Why shouldn't other sports expect to be able to use a publicly-funded facility?

Go on. Is it one rule for the GAA and another for everyone else?

Shamrock Rovers win Tallaght Stadium case

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