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The England Job - Now Its Serious!

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  • #62
    shane86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,584 ✭✭✭shane86


    Eh?

    Generally speaking he has been in top form as of late, and has at least 3 or 4 more years with England. He will be 34/35 in 2010 I think, so Id reckon its his retirement after (assuming they qualify). Fail to qualify and his last game will be whichever one knocks hem out.

    Part of the reason they are in the mess they are in is that McLaren played the same games Capello did early on in the campaign.

    What is it about Beckham and managers? Fell out with Alex, McLaren cold shouldered him when he was in form and then the whole Capello craic.


  • #63
    Dont be at yourself
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,461 ✭✭✭✭Dont be at yourself


    Whatever about the convoluted decision to drop Beckham at Madrid, which seemingly wasn't entirely down to Capello, you have to commend him for accepting, and correcting, his mistake.

    I don't envisage the Beckham - Capello relationship to be problematic, and I wouldn't be surprised if Beckham played a prominent role in the team long after his 100th cap is won.
    Keep waiting for one of the old-fogey blazers to scupper it as Cappello is a "Johnny Foreigner" but they are very quiet

    The LMA had a bit of a moan about a foreign coach today. Who do they want appointed? Fat Sam? Stuart Pearce? Dirty Harry? There are no top class English managers suited to the job.

    The FA are also insisting on Terry being removed of the captaincy. I doubt it will go back to Beckham, so who's next for the poisoned chalice? Gerrard, Rooney, Lampard?


  • #64
    shane86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,584 ✭✭✭shane86


    Id reckon Gerrard, maybe Lampard. Rooney being made captain at 22 would be ather unprecedented as far as Im aware, very young and he would effectively remain captain for the next 12/13 years barring a career ending injury or a trip down the Maradona/Gazza road. No signs at all of him slipping up in regards to drugs/alcohol compared to some likely never out of the news types (no names, obviously). The bizarre old prostitute episode shoud remain his only major blemish at this rate.

    I find the whole captaincy thing to be honoury anyway, dont know why some people make such a deal of it. Shay Given does more to motivate the team than Robbie, dont think the captains role would make a difference. Making the difference would be to drop Robbie until his Ireland form improves, testing him in friendlies and whatnot.


  • #65
    smackbunnybaby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,335 ✭✭✭smackbunnybaby


    sky and today fm said capello will sign today or tomorrow and unveiled next week.


  • #66
    zAbbo
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    smackbunnybaby wrote: »
    sky and today fm said capello will sign today or tomorrow and unveiled next week.

    conflicting reports of either 4M or 6M a year!


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  • #67
    ShiverinEskimo
    Hosted Moderators Posts: 18,115 ✭✭✭✭ShiverinEskimo


    The beeb are saying 4m/year on a four year contract.

    None too shabby...


  • #68
    gosplan
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    Capello won Beckham his La Liga title(and a bit of vice versa). He would have felt his time there a failure if he hadn't got one. Can't see there being any friction to be honest.

    Whatever Backham, and he has many faults as a footballer, he's always been a good pro. Capello benched him, Beckham worked hard to get back into the team and did.

    Mutual respect between them more then anything I'd say.


  • #69
    An Citeog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,096 ✭✭✭An Citeog


    zabbo wrote: »
    conflicting reports of either 4M or 6M a year!

    £4million is €6m, so I'd say that's what it is. Capello is definitely the best choice for England but he'd want to learn the language fairly sharpish.


  • #70
    ninebeanrows
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    I can already envisage England crumbling under Capello, he's the wrong type of manager IMO.


  • #71
    An Citeog
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    Weathercheck wrote: »
    I can already envisage England crumbling under Capello, he's the wrong type of manager IMO.

    What, solidity and getting them to play as a unit rather than a team of individuals? England don't have these amazing flair players like Brazil or Argentina or even Portugal. They've got players with good technical ability mixed with physical fitness and strength. It's time they started using these to their advantage.

    Incidentally, who or what type of manager would you suggest?


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  • #72
    Savman
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    Weathercheck wrote: »
    I can already envisage England crumbling under Capello, he's the wrong type of manager IMO.
    Oh come on, he's quite clearly the leading candidate. Having read into his backstory and what former players have said about him, he sounds like the perfect man for the job, someone to cut those many egos down to size.

    I think it's quite an encouraging appointment for ingerland.


  • #73
    leninbenjamin
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    Beckham has a mild form of arthritis in his foot apparently. If this is true I think he wont be playing much longer. I think that's why he went to the states, he knew the end would come sooner than people think. He'll get cap 100 and might figure for 2010 but only as an outside squad player should Bentley and SWP not have matured enough. he wont be fit enough to play a full 90 and i can't see his value as an impact sub, any pace he had is already gone.

    I think Capello is just the manger england need though.


  • #74
    Unearthly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,567 ✭✭✭Unearthly


    I can see him being disliked because he is foreign, and is quite negative.

    A lot of England fans are under this misconception they can play traditional Brazil football with the likes of Sam Allardyce or Stuart Pearce in charge.


  • #75
    BaZmO*
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    shane86 wrote: »
    Id reckon Gerrard, maybe Lampard.
    I'd be surprised if that happens as it would suggest that the other player won't be played as the captain is always guaranteed his game.


    As for Capello, what happens if he fails miserably? Do the FA try their best to get an English Manager for the next campaign? Back and forth, back and forth.


  • #76
    PHB
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    Maybe he'll be disliked, but maybe his results will make everyone like him. Success changes peoples mind pretty easily :)


  • #77
    Savman
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    BaZmO* wrote: »

    As for Capello, what happens if he fails miserably? Do the FA try their best to get an English Manager for the next campaign? Back and forth, back and forth.
    Well any manager will tell you he's actually starting in the best possible circumstances, they have already failed miserably so he can do no worse. Hell, if he even turns them into draw specialists it'd be an improvement.


  • #78
    Unearthly
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    PHB wrote: »
    Maybe he'll be disliked, but maybe his results will make everyone like him. Success changes peoples mind pretty easily :)

    With England though it is not success untill you win the tournament which can only be done 2010 at earliest.


  • #79
    shane86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,584 ✭✭✭shane86


    BaZmO* wrote: »
    I'd be surprised if that happens as it would suggest that the other player won't be played as the captain is always guaranteed his game.

    And here lies my problem with captaincy in general. Underperforming has beens guaranteed their game. Shay plays every game he is fit for, and is one of the finest keepers in Europe, yet we are stuck with Robbie playing despite not having had a truly great game in what, four years (barring that Denmark friendly)

    Id reckon Gerrard is always a first choice to play if he is not injured, so I would say it is somewhat likely, but the whole captains guaranteed place is holding Ireland back, its a childish practice that any manager with a brain would do away with.

    As for foreign managers, most English football fans support their local city team which, if they are lucky, has maybe 2 or 3 regular players who are from the city or its surrounding area. Teams are owned by Russians, Americans and Arabs. They are managed by Spamiards, Frenchmen, Irishmen and Scots. Most main prem sides must be half foreign minimum. So what difference does it really make if the national coach is foreign?


  • #80
    Savman
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    shane86 wrote:
    I find the whole captaincy thing to be honoury anyway, dont know why some people make such a deal of it. Shay Given does more to motivate the team than Robbie, dont think the captains role would make a difference. Making the difference would be to drop Robbie until his Ireland form improves, testing him in friendlies and whatnot.
    shane86 wrote: »
    And here lies my problem with captaincy in general. Underperforming has beens guaranteed their game. Shay plays every game he is fit for, and is one of the finest keepers in Europe, yet we are stuck with Robbie playing despite not having had a truly great game in what, four years (barring that Denmark friendly)

    Id reckon Gerrard is always a first choice to play if he is not injured, so I would say it is somewhat likely, but the whole captains guaranteed place is holding Ireland back, its a childish practice that any manager with a brain would do away with.
    Wrong thread


  • #81
    MagicMarker
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    Why would the FA insist on Terry not being the captain?

    As for who would get it after him. I would choose Gerard over Lampard, simply because i have never ever seen Lampard play well for England. He was no where to be seen in the Croation match.


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  • #82
    BaZmO*
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    shane86 wrote: »
    They are managed by Spamiards,
    Are they the feckers that keep trying to sell me Viagra?

    Savman wrote:
    Well any manager will tell you he's actually starting in the best possible circumstances, they have already failed miserably so he can do no worse. Hell, if he even turns them into draw specialists it'd be an improvement.
    Anything less than finalists in a tournament will be deemed a failure, unless of course they play attractive football along the way, which I can't see happening.


  • #83
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49,324 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    Why would the FA insist on Terry not being the captain?

    As for who would get it after him. I would choose Gerard over Lampard, simply because i have never ever seen Lampard play well for England. He was no where to be seen in the Croation match.

    If you were to give it to players who have consistently performed for England....you'd be looking at a small list. It has been a long time since Gerrard reproduced his best liverpool form for England when it mattered, if he ever has.

    I actually think Hargreaves would be a good captain. A very good player, who should be first choice for England, a very good speaker, seems to keep himself out of trouble off the pitch too. Beyond him, you really can only look at either Terry or Gerrard as Captain, no one else is either senior enough of level headed enough to do it, or they are simply a bad choice.

    Anyway, i think the story is rubbish and i just can't see the captaincy being taken away from Terry until after the WC at the very very earliest, even then it would take a shocking disaster of a tournement.


  • #84
    Fratton Fred
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    Tauren wrote: »
    If you were to give it to players who have consistently performed for England....you'd be looking at a small list. It has been a long time since Gerrard reproduced his best liverpool form for England when it mattered, if he ever has.

    I actually think Hargreaves would be a good captain. A very good player, who should be first choice for England, a very good speaker, seems to keep himself out of trouble off the pitch too. Beyond him, you really can only look at either Terry or Gerrard as Captain, no one else is either senior enough of level headed enough to do it, or they are simply a bad choice.

    Anyway, i think the story is rubbish and i just can't see the captaincy being taken away from Terry until after the WC at the very very earliest, even then it would take a shocking disaster of a tournement.

    I think that's England's problem. Not enough natural leaders on the pitch.

    Hargreaves is a good shout, but I don't think it will change TBH.


  • #85
    MagicMarker
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    Sky News are saying Capello definitely wants the job and is waiting on a call from the FA.


  • #86
    Xavi6
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    Best thing that could have happened to England is getting Capello. He'll take none of that 'WAG' sh1t and will bring some of the players down a peg or two. God knows there's a lot of them who need it.

    With Capello at the helm I expect to see a serious English challenge for the next World Cup.


  • #87
    BaZmO*
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    MagicMarker wrote: »
    Sky News are saying Capello definitely wants the job and is waiting on a call from the FA.
    What?


  • #88
    mike65
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    I think its gone beyond that point.

    Mike.


  • #89
    BaZmO*
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    mike65 wrote: »
    I think its gone beyond that point.

    Mike.
    Exactly. Everybody is reporting that he as good as has the job and it will be officially announced later today.


  • #90
    MagicMarker
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    Don't shoot the messenger. Just saying what i see.


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  • #91
    BaZmO*
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    MagicMarker wrote: »
    Don't shoot the messenger. Just saying what i see.
    Yeah but everybody knew already.


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