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Should Traditions be Respected ?

  • 10-12-2007 02:16PM
    #1
    marcsignal
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    This thread is a tangent from the existing one regarding the 'Creche Nativity Play' issue.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055194751

    So how do you all feel about Traditions in Ireland, should they be Respected/Preserved ?
    Have you respected the Traditions of foreign Countries when you've visited/lived there ?

    I think there shouldn't be any PC issue about Traditions/Customs being respected / preserved in Ireland, and I absolutely respect the Traditions/Customs of any other countries I've ever visited in the past, or may visit in the future.
    Opinions please


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  • #2
    Binomate
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    No, they shouldn't. If traditions are offensive, like christmas, then they should be banned.


  • #3
    Lux23
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    I think they should be. People spend so much time worrying about offending other cultures but they seem to forget that Irish Catholics are entitled to perserve their culture also. Its as if celebrating our identity is racist in itself.


  • #4
    bleg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,847 ✭✭✭bleg


    Nothing wrong with following tradition at all. The only thing wrong is imposing your traditions on other people e.g. non muslim women being made wear headscarves in muslim countries is not something I agree with. However there are situations where ignoring tradition can be extremely rude/unlawful (the aforementioned example). It really depends on a case to case basis and people should use their best judgement.
    Traditions should never be exempt from criticism either.


  • #5
    cance
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    to be honest im in favour of any break of tradition that will stop me sitting through 45 minutes of parents coo'ing and praising their little brat.


  • #6
    Mr. Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,798 ✭✭✭Mr. Incognito


    It used to be tradition in Ireland to have arranged marraiges- in some cutures they still do.

    There used to be.......etc etc

    Times change and traditions change or get lost. Big deal. Just because your grandfather did something stupid shouldn't be justification for doing something stupid.


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  • #7
    prendy
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    i think it totally depends on the tradition.
    the example of the creche is mental...in a catholic country certain traditions should be respected..
    many women mightnt agree with headscarfs in muslim countrys but thats their tradition and its important to respect it!


  • #8
    Rob_l
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    No just because its tradition does not mean it should be accepted
    what about things like female circumcision should that be accepted as a tradition?


  • #9
    marcsignal
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    Rob_l wrote: »
    what about things like female circumcision should that be accepted as a tradition?

    Yeah, that's a tough call Rob_l, but I undersnd that it's been made illegal in nearly all of the countries it's pacticed in
    (or so i'm informed by another boardsie)


  • #10
    Rob_l
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    marcsignal wrote: »
    Yeah, that's a tough call Rob_l, but I undersnd that it's been made illegal in nearly all of the countries it's pacticed in
    (or so i'm informed by another boardsie)

    legality and acceptance two different measuring sticks


  • #11
    bleg
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    so we're all agreed, tradition can be good, can be bad, should be respected in some cases and shouldn't in others. it should be taken into account according to the tradition. next!


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  • #12
    marcsignal
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    Rob_l wrote: »
    legality and acceptance two different measuring sticks

    True, I don't agree with the practice personally, but don't see how I could rightfully object to it being practiced in a country where it's legal, if I was visiting, or living there.


  • #13
    Rob_l
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    bleg wrote: »
    so we're all agreed, tradition can be good, can be bad, should be respected in some cases and shouldn't in others. it should be taken into account according to the tradition. next!

    yeah lets get back to the really important topics like how many sugars you take in your tea


  • #14
    bleg
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    Rob_l wrote: »
    yeah lets get back to the really important topics like how many sugars you take in your tea

    again, it comes down to common sense, if you like your tea sugary put in more sugar, if you don't then don't put sugar in

    simple


    next!


  • #15
    KingOfFairview
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    I think national tradition should always be scrutinied and questioned, we should look at our traditions, before being sure they should be kept.

    Its always going to be hard for any person to go to another country and ignore theuir traditions. I hate the idea of many traditions, Irish and foreign, but its not really my call to ignore them, at least social traditions etc, no alchohol in Iran, Kuwait (I think) etc, fluckwitted gun laws in the US...


  • #16
    The Real B-man
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    Lux23 wrote: »
    I think they should be. People spend so much time worrying about offending other cultures but they seem to forget that Irish Catholics are entitled to perserve their culture also. Its as if celebrating our identity is racist in itself.

    Exactly i mean if we went to there countries we would have to respect there traditions so why cant they respect ours?


  • #17
    biko
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    I'm atheist but like the Angulus tradition.
    Traditions that are not against basic Human/Animal Rights (female circumcision/dog fights) should be allowed to be practised.


  • #18
    bleg
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    The Real B-man wrote: »
    Exactly i mean if we went to there countries we would have to respect there traditions so why cant they respect ours?

    catholic traditions do not equate with irish traditions. some irish people may disagree with the crib in the creche too. personally i don't think there's anything wrong with exposing kids to other traditions, it gets them thinking, asking questions and generally broadens their horizons. that's how people learn. i wouldn't be offended by something as passive as a crib.

    i would however be annoyed if the creche actively imposed other traditions on kids. however i could always move them to another creche


  • #19
    leninbenjamin
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    bleg wrote: »
    catholic traditions do not equate with irish traditions. some irish people may disagree with the crib in the creche too.

    actually that's not necessarily true. A lot of the Catholic traditions we have evolved out of ye old Celtic pagan ways. the religion was adapted to the culture, practically all religious holidays have a root in some old pagan tradition...
    Biko wrote:
    Traditions that are not against basic Human/Animal Rights (female circumcision/dog fights) should be allowed to be practised.

    I agree with that sentiment really... i'm not anything but some of the Catholic traditions can be comforting i guess.


  • #20
    Snake Plisken
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    Just listening to the beginning of George Hook on Newstalk and he said that RTE had banned putting up a crib, didn't get to hear the piece, so if anyone hears it please post what the piece is about, if it is true and we have RTE, Aerports and Hospitals taking down what was up until the last couple of years part of the Irish tradition then its a sad sad time we live in :(


  • #21
    LoanShark
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    Binomate wrote: »
    No, they shouldn't. If traditions are offensive, like christmas, then they should be banned.

    What kind of a comment is this???

    If I wrote what I really want to say, I would be banned from this site and any other similar site for life....

    If a woman goes to a foreign country and it is TRADITION for her to cover herself up then she does it.. If it is Tradition for us in this country to have a nativity play each year in a school and someone complains, We have to cancel it..
    As I said if I wrote what I really want to say I would be banned,So I hope you get my drift..


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  • #22
    LoanShark
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    If we bend over backwards to accomadate all the other races and religons that enter our country, and give up all our traditions we will almost certainly loose our identity.


  • #23
    connundrum
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    LoanShark wrote: »
    What kind of a comment is this???

    I'm thinking, just thinking, that it could be a piss take comment.

    Oh and traditions where people aren't mutilated should be kept.


  • #24
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
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    what about the tradition of the woman staying at home, minding the kids and not being allowed to vote?

    what about the tradition of being violently angry with the british?
    what about the tradition of drinking ourselves to liver disorders?

    tradition, yaaay


  • #25
    [Deleted User]
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    SetantaL wrote: »
    It used to be tradition in Ireland to have arranged marraiges- in some cutures they still do.

    I don't think something like this is a tradition as such, rather it was a solution to a social problem at the time. Much like the rise of kidults today.

    I think we should embrace everyones decent traditions, more festivities!!


  • #26
    Pete4779
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    Mordeth wrote: »
    what about the tradition of the woman staying at home, minding the kids and not being allowed to vote?

    what about the tradition of being violently angry with the british?
    what about the tradition of drinking ourselves to liver disorders?

    tradition, yaaay

    The first is still practiced, despite offending hardcore feminists. Freedom = not forcing unwanted activity on other people. Apparently Ireland ranks quite high with stay-at-home-mothers. They do have the freedom to work if they want and that's just fine.

    Being allowed to vote has changed - but it was a tradition since Roman times when women were at the bottom of society (e.g., seating in the Coliseum). That has changed and women have the freedom to vote. They can choose to or not vote.

    Now, there is not the freedom to practice traditional Christmas activities because a minority has pushed it's views on a large majority. Unlike your other examples, we now have a more restricted situation, with less freedom.

    If they didn't want a nativity play then why not simply not participate. If one of them gets a Christmas present, well, they should obviously give it back.

    Perhaps we should make sure they do not celebrate any aspect of Christmas, just in case they are offended by a christmas present. In fact, take down the decorations on the streets as well.


  • #27
    jahalpin
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    Christmas isn't only a Catholic holiday, it is a holiday for all CHRISTian churches and is celebrated by all of them.

    The overwhelming majority of people in this country are christian and their traditions should be respected.

    I was reading an article about atitiudes to Christmas and the vast majority of moderate muslims and hindus in the UK celebrate Christmas as well.


  • #28
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
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    christmas is about more than your silly little god boy


  • #29
    Lands Leaving
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    Mordeth wrote: »
    christmas is about more than your silly little god boy

    Yeah, its about watching bad films and drinking.


  • #30
    therecklessone
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    Lux23 wrote: »
    I think they should be. People spend so much time worrying about offending other cultures but they seem to forget that Irish Catholics are entitled to perserve their culture also. Its as if celebrating our identity is racist in itself.

    I suggest Irish Catholics stop blaming other cultures and do a bit more to preserve their own...I'd start with suggesting they try attending mass a bit more often than for weddings and funerals...or try obeying the teachings of their church instead of picking and choosing what they want to obey.


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  • #31
    therecklessone
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    LoanShark wrote: »
    If a woman goes to a foreign country and it is TRADITION for her to cover herself up then she does it.. If it is Tradition for us in this country to have a nativity play each year in a school and someone complains, We have to cancel it..
    As I said if I wrote what I really want to say I would be banned,So I hope you get my drift..

    I do.

    Are you suggesting we should force people to conform to the religious practises of the majority church in the country? If so I've no problem (as an agnostic) telling you to stuff your fcuking nativity play, thank you very much. If you want to celebrate your religion, then see the above post re. the correct place to do so...in one of your many churches.


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