Creches ban Nativity play because of complaints by Non-Christian Parents

Romero · 04-12-2007 10:02AM #1

Heard this on the radio and it made me angry, apparantly a chain of creches has decided to cancel this years nativity play following complaints from Non-Cristian (Non-national) parents. This is a bloody disgrace if you ask me. Its an innocent tradition that does no harm to any of the children, and to me it builds up divides in our society, there was even a jewish lady on the radio sayin that she did it as a child and enjoyed it even though it was not part of the Jewish religion. Seriosly if people want to come here and intergrate then there needs to be some give and take in fitting in to Irish society. The Creche management should be ashamed of themselves for bowing to the pressure of a small minority of these parents. :mad:

Hagar · 04-12-2007 10:06AM

Madness, absolute madness. This has to be nipped in the bud now before it gets any worse.

is_that_so · 04-12-2007 10:09AM

Hard one to call but it's just a play and a bit of fun. Most parents get a buzz out of the child "performing". How much can a child of crèche age make of the baby Jesus anyway?

Mr.Nice Guy · 04-12-2007 10:10AM

Chrsitmas is the favourite time of year for the PC whackos. Did you hear about this little gem from Australia:

Santas in Australia's largest city have been told not to use Father Christmas's traditional "ho ho ho" greeting because it may be offensive to women, it was reported Thursday.

Sydney's Santa Clauses have instead been instructed to say "ha ha ha" instead, the Daily Telegraph reported.

One disgruntled Santa told the newspaper a recruitment firm warned him not to use "ho ho ho" because it could frighten children and was too close to "ho", a US slang term for prostitute.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071115/wl_asia_afp/lifestyleaustraliachristmasoffbeat

At least Scrooge wasn't a politically correct c*nt.

deman · 04-12-2007 10:11AM

This type of thing makes my blood boil. But it's not only the creches and the likes. Just listen to our very own leaders and other "Christian" politicians around the world wishing everyone "Happy Holidays". Do you think that if an Irishman were to go and live in Saudi Arabia and complain about Ramadam and other Islamic festivals, would the Saudi authorities do anything about it? The answer is YES, but NOT what you's have hoped for. Don't get me wrong, I'm not being racist here. I'm just pointing out that we also have a heritage and nobody, NOBODY, should try to take that away from us.

Sizzler · 04-12-2007 10:13AM

And we back down, fcuking ridiculous !

If we travel to another country we have the good grace to respect their laws and traditions but when the shoe is on the other foot we bend over and say 'do your worst lads' :mad:

I'd love to know what creche it was so I can give them a call....

KingOfFairview · 04-12-2007 10:13AM

I'd want to see a source for this before I'd get too up in arms, or even the names of some of the people who have complained, because this type of thing sounds suspiciously like the old "They all get free cars" etc BS... I've heard this story in many varioations over the years and I've yet to hear a verifiable source fo it. dosent mean its not true, but I'd take it with a pinch of salt until proven.

If true its ridiculous. I'm not christian, but when I was in Christian schools I couldnt object to their practices just because they didnt suit me. I wouldnt expect to be able to go to Iran or Saudi and tell them to tone down the Islam or go to Alabama and tell them they were taking Christianity cause in either case the nutacases would probably kill you for it.

homah_7ft · 04-12-2007 10:14AM

If the creche management team is about to alienate paying customers I say they are right to cancel it in favour of some other activity.

Edit: Being Irish does not equal being christian.

robinph · 04-12-2007 10:15AM

Link to the story and the name of the creche that is doing this, otherwise its just a made up story inorder to get you all upset about "PC'ness gone mad".

Hagar · 04-12-2007 10:18AM

homah_7ft wrote: »

If the creche management team is about to alienate paying customers I say they are right to cancel it in favour of some other activity.

Edit: Being Irish does not equal being christian.

How will you feel when your local supermarket stops selling pork and bacon because its alienates some paying customers?

homah_7ft · 04-12-2007 10:20AM

Hagar wrote: »

How will you feel when your local supermarket stops selling pork and bacon because its alienates some paying customers?

Err I would feel terrible if it were to happen. A creche is not a supermarket.

KingOfFairview · 04-12-2007 10:20AM

Hagar wrote: »

How will you feel when your local supermarket stops selling pork and bacon because its alienates some paying customers?

Do you seriously think this is going to happen? whats next, soon they'll take all the jobs?

ericl · 04-12-2007 10:22AM

I'd tell them too fuk off and then wish them a Merry Christmas.

Duckjob · 04-12-2007 10:24AM

PC fúckology.

Hopefully said creches will loose business over it and fold, and we'll be left with the non-stupid ones.

Xavi6 · 04-12-2007 10:24AM

Well to be fair the standard of nativity plays has dropped as of late....

Hagar · 04-12-2007 10:25AM

No I don't seriously think it will happen, yet.

If the creche traditionally put on a nativity play then that's what the customers of the business are buying in to. To deny the majority who expected a play for the sake of a vocal minority who don't want one is ridiculous.

/ That's going in the Humour Forum.

robinph · 04-12-2007 10:25AM

Hagar wrote: »

How will you feel when your local supermarket stops selling pork and bacon because its alienates some paying customers?

I'd be thinking that the Daily Mail was having a slow news day so made up a new variation on the theme.

Sizzler · 04-12-2007 10:26AM

It was being discussed on the radio earlier so I presume it must be in one the papers today

Also a big thing in the UK

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/12/02/nativity102.xml

KingOfFairview · 04-12-2007 10:26AM

robinph wrote: »

I'd be thinking that the Daily Mail was having a slow news day so made up a new variation on the theme.

Bingo. Bang on the money there I'd say chief

deman · 04-12-2007 10:30AM

homah_7ft wrote: »

If the creche management team is about to alienate paying customers I say they are right to cancel it in favour of some other activity.

Edit: Being Irish does not equal being christian.

And what about the children of Christian families? Don't they pay too? Maybe they a being alienated? How many parents will pull their kids out of this creche because they are not allowed to celebrate the meaning of Christmas?

FYI Ireland is still a Christian country.

KingOfFairview · 04-12-2007 10:33AM

deman wrote: »

And what about the children of Christian families? Don't they pay too? Maybe they a being alienated? How many parents will pull their kids out of this creche because they are not allowed to celebrate the meaning of Christmas?

FYI Ireland is still a Christian country.

Well, the free market will dictate any place that actually does this will close down pretty sharpish if the parents care enough about it, so theres not much to worry about is there?

homah_7ft · 04-12-2007 10:36AM

deman wrote: »

... they are not allowed to celebrate the meaning of Christmas?

By true meaning I presume you mean increased retail sales period?

Rob_l · 04-12-2007 10:37AM

deman wrote: »

And what about the children of Christian families? Don't they pay too? Maybe they a being alienated? How many parents will pull their kids out of this creche because they are not allowed to celebrate the meaning of Christmas?

FYI Ireland is still a Christian country.

I thought the special status of the christian religion was taken out of the irish constitution

MattKid · 04-12-2007 10:39AM

I think the Nativity plays are just wrong. Naming a baby doll Jesus :eek:

deman · 04-12-2007 10:39AM

Rob_l wrote: »

I thought the special status of the christian religion was taken out of the irish constitution

When?

robinph · 04-12-2007 10:43AM

Sizzler wrote: »

It was being discussed on the radio earlier so I presume it must be in one the papers today

Also a big thing in the UK

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/12/02/nativity102.xml

That story is basically journo decided that they wanted their kid to be dressed up as a wise man rather than as a dwarf after the teachers in the school had got a bit fed up with making angel costumes year after year so went for a change of play this year. Said journo then goes of and finds some people from "other" religions to ask them why they insisted on Snow White rather than the nativity, person from "other" religion says "stop talking rubbish and leave me alone, we don't give a crap what play they put on".

Journo then goes off and makes up an article about the outraged parents, hoping that nobody notices that "other" religions have nothing to do with the change of play at all.

deman · 04-12-2007 10:43AM

MattKid wrote: »

I think the Nativity plays are just wrong. Naming a baby doll Jesus :eek:

:D:D How dare they????

monkeyfudge · 04-12-2007 10:43AM

Are they replacing the play with anything else?

A bit of variety would be nice... The nativity thing is a bit 'played' at this stage, isn't it?

Anyway... Creches typically aren't run by the church and dropping the indoctrination of young children with strange ideas of virgin births is a good thing.

Rob_l · 04-12-2007 10:45AM

deman wrote: »

When?

i have a felling this might be said removal of special status that and the fact its not part of the constitution anymore

Fifth Amendment of the Constitution Act, 1972
[Removed from the Constitution the special position of the Catholic
Church and the recognition of other named religious denominations.]

Hagar · 04-12-2007 10:46AM

Rob_l wrote: »

I thought the special status of the christian religion was taken out of the irish constitution

That was the special status of the Roman Catholic Church. It was removed, but it didn't change the traditions of the vast majority of Irish people.

seamus · 04-12-2007 10:47AM

deman wrote: »

When?

5th of January 1973
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Amendment_of_the_Constitution_of_Ireland

How will you feel when your local supermarket stops selling pork and bacon because its alienates some paying customers?

Well, you see that's different again. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy a supermarket product.

The train of thought on this one seems obvious;

1. All kids are to participate in a nativity play.
2. Some over-zealous religious parent complains about it
3. The suggestion is made that some kids can choose to do the play while others do something else
4. Creche decides that segregating the children along religious lines probably isn't a good idea, not to mention the extra resources required to split the class
5. Nativity is scrapped.

It seems that people are happy enough to go about saying, "You're free to practice your religion, just don't try force it down our throats", but when the same thing is applied to them, they're up in arms.

We're a secular state with christian values, not a christian state.

Creches ban Nativity play because of complaints by Non-Christian Parents

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