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The big 4 are top but where will they finish?

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  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 11,433 Mod ✭✭✭✭lordgoat


    What will be interesting to see is how liverpool will cope at the end of the season when the league becomes a must win competition each week. All the other 3 have players who have been in that before, i think that experience will be vital to whichever team does win it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,552 ✭✭✭Bobalicious93


    1. United
    2. Arsenal
    3. Liverpool
    4. Chelsea

    i love the way Chelsea are consistently being written off :D:D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,259 ✭✭✭✭Melion


    lordgoat wrote: »
    What will be interesting to see is how liverpool will cope at the end of the season when the league becomes a must win competition each week. All the other 3 have players who have been in that before, i think that experience will be vital to whichever team does win it.

    Every game is like a cup final. We have plenty of experience in that kind of game tbh


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 244 ✭✭Brethitmanhart


    1. Liverpool
    2. Arsenal
    3. Chelsea
    4. United

    Arsenal and Chelsea will slip up with the African Nations, United haven't been that great this season and I don't think they have depth...but it all depends on injuries...Liverpool have dealt without Alonso and Agger for a long while now...and Torres for a bit too. If Agger had played in the slip up games they would not have been slip ups. Agger is vital.
    The Arsenal game if Alonso hadn't got injured, and Mascherano hadn't either when no subs could be brought on.
    So alot is down to luck but Liverpool have amazing strength in depth bar centre back and striker....United have no strength in depth in a couple of areas...Arsenal don't have either...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    So alot is down to luck but Liverpool have amazing strength in depth bar centre back and striker....United have no strength in depth in a couple of areas...Arsenal don't have either...

    What areas?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,951 ✭✭✭DSB


    I can't believe anyone thinks United will only finish 4th. Seriously, to me this seems like the most ridiculous opinion I've heard in a long time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,567 ✭✭✭Unearthly


    DSB wrote: »
    I can't believe anyone thinks United will only finish 4th. Seriously, to me this seems like the most ridiculous opinion I've heard in a long time.

    I think a lot of people in this topic are saying I want Man Utd to finish 4th, not what they think.

    Won't admit that though


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    I agree its ridiculous to say Utd will finish 4th.

    cant remember who, but someone a while ago posted up a list of all the players in Liverpools team who have won a league before, and it was a good chunk of em, so saying they wont know how to if it comes down to it, is a bit silly too. and most importantly, Rafa knows how to do it.

    If everything in the run in is even enough, and every game is like a cup final - i think we can definately do it. After all, most people admit that in one of games/cup competitions, Rafa is the best around (PHB is also on record as being of this opinion ;))


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,567 ✭✭✭Unearthly


    I think Liverpool can win the league and think it will be very close, one thing I'd count against them is they have to visit OT, Emirates and Stamford Bridge second half the season. Not saying they can't win there but will be tough, and I think whoever wins the league could be down to who does the best in the head to head matches.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭Daemonic


    The way Liverpool have played away from home in the league this season I don't think they'll fear trips away to the other 3 contenders. With Torres up front, playing on the break will suit them fine.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,567 ✭✭✭Unearthly


    Daemonic wrote: »
    The way Liverpool have played away from home in the league this season I don't think they'll fear trips away to the other 3 contenders. With Torres up front, playing on the break will suit them fine.

    It's a huge step in class going to OT, Emirates, and Stamford Bridge though. Chelsea undefeated in how many years there? Arsenal only 1 defeat at Emirates, and OT is well Old Trafford.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,788 ✭✭✭redzerdrog


    They'll lose their two best players: Essien and Drogba.

    did drogba's country qualify for the ANC?

    something in the back of my head is telling me thay didnt but cant really remember


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,567 ✭✭✭Unearthly


    redzerdrog wrote: »
    did drogba's country qualify for the ANC?

    something in the back of my head is telling me thay didnt but cant really remember

    They did, only African player I can think of not going is Adebayor. His country failed to qualify


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,788 ✭✭✭redzerdrog


    Unearthly wrote: »
    They did, only African player I can think of not going is Adebayor. His country failed to qualify

    that is prob who i was thinking of. I knew it was a big player for one of the teams


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    The whole idea that every game is like a cup final is silly. It means they are all important, but this isn't a cup, and you can't win the game on penos like Rafa is prone to doing (one of the reasons Rafa is so good at cups)

    In conclusion, see my sig :)

    I think McCarthy wasn't picked by South Africa.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    you are very annoying.

    you will never give us an ounce of credit.

    the day will come when you rue your smugness! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,788 ✭✭✭redzerdrog


    top 4 will finish as follows:p

    1 liverpool
    2 man utd
    3 chelski
    4 arsenal


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,911 ✭✭✭✭whatawaster


    Arsenal
    Man Utd
    Liverpool
    Chelsea

    All within 5 to ten points of each other. If Liverpool are still unbeaten in Feb when they go to Chelsea (which i think they will be) then anything can happen. Though just being there or thereabouts at the end of the year would be very refreshing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,983 ✭✭✭leninbenjamin


    I've said to watch Arsenal since before the season began and I see no reason to change, if anything it's become stronger, they are a lot more versatile than i though they'd be and they are no longer relying on the same few to win them games, look at Flamini scoring...

    I actually think Chelsea could pip the other two for second, they still have a damn good squad, and everyone is writing them and not really paying attention to them... they'll sneak up and make a good run out of it as long as Abramovich doesn't have another ego trip.

    it should be though a very close finish. i hope it'll only be a handful of points in between the top 4, so i don't think it's inconceivable that any of them could end up fourth. or winner for that matter...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,461 ✭✭✭✭Dont be at yourself


    This season could turn out like La Liga last season. At the moment, the top four are pretty much inseperable.

    Arsenal's first XI is great, and they've been playing some of the best football in the league this season. Losing Kolo will be a blow, and if the likes of Gallas picks up an injury, it could raise serious questions. Prediction? 1st\2nd

    Liverpool's perennial problem has been a rubbish start. Liverpool fans know the whole 'if the league started in October, we'd be champions' thing far too well. Other posters have said that they lack the capability to put together a run - I feel that's nonsense. Our defence is water-tight, and it's not unusual to go on a long run of games without conceding. In terms of injuries/African nations, we're well placed. Kewell, Alonso, Agger and Aurelio are all approaching full fitness, and we'll hopefully have a clean bill of health for the important Christmas run. The fly in the ointment is the Champions League - I may not be the only one who'd not be too downcast over a bad result in Marseille, if it concentrated minds. Prediction:1st/2nd/3rd

    Man Utd: They have the talent, they have the experience, they have the manager. They won't be affected by the African Nations. However, Fergie will no doubt have an eye on Europe, after coming close last year. They're a little short on defensive cover, and perhaps haven't been playing as well as others, but they always finish strongly. Prediction:2nd/3rd

    Chelsea: Mourinho's departure didn't have the expected impact on the club. They're winning, if not playing particularly well. Losing Drogba, Essien and Mikel is a huge blow, and it will be interesting to see if there are any ins/outs in January. I'm not sure if Grant has the experience/ability to marshall the squad through difficult times like Mourinho could. Prediction: 4th

    It's all very much on a knife-edge, and it may very well come down to a key injury or a head-to-head.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭One Cold Hand


    Phenominal day of footie on the 16th Dec:

    Liverpool v Man Utd 13.30
    and
    Arsenal v Chelsea 16.00

    Can't wait for that, that day could decide a few things.

    For the record, I reckon it'll be:
    United
    Arsenal
    Chelsea
    Liverpool


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,690 ✭✭✭Nailz


    Melion wrote: »
    We can win games without them and our game doesnt change too much when Gerrard doesnt play. United looked clueless against Bolton last week when those 2 were missing, and the same thing at the start of the year when they were both missing.
    When was the last time you played a game without either one of them???:rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,951 ✭✭✭DSB


    Unearthly wrote: »
    I think a lot of people in this topic are saying I want Man Utd to finish 4th, not what they think.

    Won't admit that though

    That is probably it. Not a United fan at all but can't fathom finishing 4th whatsoever. Can't really see them winning it either though.

    Arsenal
    Man United
    Chelsea
    Liverpool


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,639 ✭✭✭Iago


    1st/2nd will be United/Arsenal, still too early to judge which of them will finish top, but Arsenal have been really impressive.

    Chelsea will finish 3rd with Liverpool 4th, they're just too inconsistent to back this year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,690 ✭✭✭Nailz


    Manchester United
    Arsenal
    Liverpool
    Chelsea

    United have excellent fire power and a strong defence. Despite losing a number of key players in Neville for all of the season so far, Scholes for 2 more months after being out for 1 already, Rooney for 2 terms and a few others along the way...

    Arsenal have had an excellant time this season, but they didn't hit their bad patch yet and will be losing many players to the African Cup of Nations. And as we learned in 2003, under presure Wenger can bottle it.

    Liverpool are doing grand but by the end of the season will lack in consistancy. Torres is your only damaging player, and has been playing well but if he gets injured your gonna lose lots of points over it.

    Chelsea have lost too much points already to come near enough to the top 2 positions. And you'll be losing players like Drogba, Essien & Mikel to the African Cup of nations in the new year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    Nailz wrote: »
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    Chelsea have lost too much points already to come near enough to the top 2 positions.

    Eh, Chelsea are two points behind United.


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 15,001 ✭✭✭✭Pepe LeFrits


    Nailz wrote: »
    Manchester United
    Arsenal
    Liverpool
    Chelsea

    United have excellent fire power and a strong defence. Despite losing a number of key players in Neville for all of the season so far, Scholes for 2 more months after being out for 1 already, Rooney for 2 terms and a few others along the way...

    Arsenal have had an excellant time this season, but they didn't hit their bad patch yet and will be losing many players to the African Cup of Nations. And as we learned in 2003, under presure Wenger can bottle it.

    Liverpool are doing grand but by the end of the season will lack in consistancy. Torres is your only damaging player, and has been playing well but if he gets injured your gonna lose lots of points over it.

    Chelsea have lost too much points already to come near enough to the top 2 positions. And you'll be losing players like Drogba, Essien & Mikel to the African Cup of nations in the new year.
    There needs to be a laughing smiley for posts like these.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,171 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    you are very annoying.

    you will never give us an ounce of credit.

    the day will come when you rue your smugness! :)


    Y'know what, i dont think he will. I think if pool win, Phb will say;
    "well done, you deserved it"
    and it'll be the least satisfying thing ever.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭Hobart


    PHB wrote: »
    The whole idea that every game is like a cup final is silly.
    I totally agree. Each game has to approached differently, which is what Rafa has tried to do, on some it has worked for him, on others not so much. There has been a huge influx of new talent at Anfield this year, it will take time, but the work in progrees is very much begining to take shape.
    It means they are all important, but this isn't a cup, and you can't win the game on penos like Rafa is prone to doing (one of the reasons Rafa is so good at cups)
    Well that's just damn silly on two fronts. Of course you can win a game on peno's. Why can't you? You also seem to suggest that Rafa is prone to winning games on Peno's, when that simply is not the case. If you are talking about the CL final in Istanbul, there was the small matter of the 3-0 deficit the team had to overcome before the game went into extra time.

    To suggest that Rafa goes out and out to win a game on peno's is ludicrous, and frankly, I would expect better from you.

    Your sig is also a misnomer. If you have enough divers in a team (for example a RVN or a Ronaldo) you will tend to be awarded more penalties and hence you will win more games.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    :o

    Cup games are won by getting through, either through winning the games or getting a draw and getting penalties. Liverpool for some reason are incredibly good at penos (indeed their ability at them surely has to cast doubt on the idea that it's a 50/50)
    Take for example, the last time Liverpool played Chelsea in the champions league. They were down by one goal from the first leg, got a goal back, and then, and I have no doubt about this, played for penalties. They then won on penalties. Indeed, once Liverpool got back from 3-0 down, instead of pushing on for a fourth (which they could have gotten if you looked at the state of the Milan defense) they sat back and played for penos. This is something you cannot do in a league game, and won't be like a cup final for Liverpool at all.


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