Champions League Final on a Saturday from 2010

Guy:Incognito · 01-12-2007 12:25PM

therecklessone wrote: »

I thought it was a rule change that excluded the likes of the EL teams in the first place?

Not really in fairness. It just meant they had to qualify. The rules dont make them not good enough to qualify.

Just chose 78-79 at random to have a look at the first round games. Do we really want results like this?
Real Madrid 12 - 0 Progres Niedercorn
Grasshopper-Club 13 - 3 Valletta FC

Seedings more or less sort out huge scores. Though you will get a few freak results like the Liverpool Besiktas game but its not like Besiktas have been hammered in every game.

MrJoeSoap · 01-12-2007 12:32PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMjsDNJAn2U

therecklessone · 01-12-2007 12:34PM

Stekelly wrote: »

Not really in fairness. It just meant they had to qualify. The rules dont make them not good enough to qualify.

The Competition Formerly Known as European Cup (CFKAEC) was changed to the Champions (and 2nd place, and 3rd place, and gosh! even 4th place for the really good boys) League.

The rules were changed.

You don't need to be a champion anymore. You just need to be a really good boy.

See?

End result, the lower leagues have been relegated to their rightful place, scrambling around on the floor hoping for a few crumbs from the top table. Long may that continue, I don't think sides like Man Utd or Real make anywhere near enough money, UEFA should really focus their efforts on helping them out.

MrJoeSoap · 01-12-2007 12:36PM

therecklessone wrote: »

The Competition Formerly Known as European Cup (CFKAEC) was changed to the Champions (and 2nd place, and 3rd place, and gosh! even 4th place for the really good boys) League.

The rules were changed.

You don't need to be a champion anymore. You just need to be a really good boy.

See?

End result, the lower leagues have been relegated to their rightful place, scrambling around on the floor hoping for a few crumbs from the top table. Long may that continue, I don't think sides like Man Utd or Real make anywhere near enough money, UEFA should really focus their efforts on helping them out.

+1 for the lowest form of wit!

Zaph · 01-12-2007 12:40PM

Unearthly wrote: »

The league usually finishes a week and a half before the CL final, the FA Cup final is usually the weekend after the league ends. Would be interesting if they choose to have the CL final on the saturday the FA Cup is usually on.

Statistically it's probably not worth thinking too hard about. Only twice has a club made the European Cup and Fa Cup finals in the same year.

1977 - Liverpool
1999 - Man United

Guy:Incognito · 01-12-2007 12:47PM

therecklessone wrote: »

The Competition Formerly Known as European Cup (CFKAEC) was changed to the Champions (and 2nd place, and 3rd place, and gosh! even 4th place for the really good boys) League.

The rules were changed.

You don't need to be a champion anymore. You just need to be a really good boy.

See?

End result, the lower leagues have been relegated to their rightful place, scrambling around on the floor hoping for a few crumbs from the top table. Long may that continue, I don't think sides like Man Utd or Real make anywhere near enough money, UEFA should really focus their efforts on helping them out.

SO the whole crux of your arguement is the name? I thought we'd done that one to death by now?The European cup used to be only for champions (and the defending european cup holders) but the name never suggested that. Dont remember there being uproar. Either way its more difficult to win and a harder comp now so meh. It's better all round. Football fo rthe fans and the current cl is what suits the most fans.

Guy:Incognito · 01-12-2007 12:50PM

zaph wrote: »

Statistically it's probably not worth thinking too hard about. Only twice has a club made the European Cup and Fa Cup finals in the same year.

1977 - Liverpool
1999 - Man United

Did they say which date they will use, because if they didnt I'd imagine they'd go for the sat after the current wed date, ie aroudn the 28th.

therecklessone · 01-12-2007 12:54PM

Stekelly wrote: »

SO the whole crux of your arguement is the name?

I'm responding to your original point that an EL team will only get in with a rule change.

My point is that the original format of the competition was changed to accomodate teams that were not champions of their domestic league. The team you support would never have competed in the CL if the format had stayed the same.

What will happen in 2010? The format will change, allowing sides from the lesser Euro leagues a chance to eat at the top table.

Its not that hard to understand, and if your original point is to stand then you'll need to concede that my point is valid.

Hope that's ok.

KdjaCL · 01-12-2007 01:34PM

pats 0 real 11
rosenborg 5 pats 0
stuttgart 7 pats 0
real 21 pats 1 YESSSS!!!!!
pats 0 rosenborg 5
pats 0 stuttgart 14

pats 16 million richer and a goal* get in tbh.

pats buy a player from another EL club for a milion as they have it, we sign players from championship as we have CL football and money, irish players the play in CL every year national side gets better.

replace EL with any league with a coeficent of less than 10, how can that be a bad thing? unless your a pool fan playing AC in a pre qual whilst champions get a handy draw.

* goal may not happen

kdjac

Guy:Incognito · 02-12-2007 03:26PM

KdjaCL wrote: »

pats 0 real 11
rosenborg 5 pats 0
stuttgart 7 pats 0
real 21 pats 1 YESSSS!!!!!
pats 0 rosenborg 5
pats 0 stuttgart 14

pats 16 million richer and a goal* get in tbh.

pats buy a player from another EL club for a milion as they have it, we sign players from championship as we have CL football and money, irish players the play in CL every year national side gets better.

replace EL with any league with a coeficent of less than 10, how can that be a bad thing? unless your a pool fan playing AC in a pre qual whilst champions get a handy draw.

* goal may not happen

kdjac

Surely the first team that wins the EL under the new system and gets the huge cash injection will pull so far ahead of the others so quickly that they will just keep winning the EL and getting more money, resulting in a 1 team league and no hope for anyone?

bohsman · 02-12-2007 04:31PM

Stekelly wrote: »

Surely the first team that wins the EL under the new system and gets the huge cash injection will pull so far ahead of the others so quickly that they will just keep winning the EL and getting more money, resulting in a 1 team league and no hope for anyone?

So we would be better off not trying? How many teams have won the premiership?

Sunderland hammered last week, Derby hammered most weeks, why should they be in the Prem, if there were only 5 or 6 teams in the premiership there would never be a bad/one sided game.

Guy:Incognito · 02-12-2007 04:41PM

bohsman wrote: »

So we would be better off not trying? How many teams have won the premiership?

Sunderland hammered last week, Derby hammered most weeks, why should they be in the Prem, if there were only 5 or 6 teams in the premiership there would never be a bad/one sided game.

Different situation. that sort of money given to one club in a small league could have a negative effect imo.

Say Bohs won the league (:)) Then used that money to buy the best available players. Then won the league for the next 2 years. They would be light years ahead of anyone else in the league money wise.

bohsman · 02-12-2007 04:52PM

Short term yes but it would make the league more marketable, also at this stage 10million isnt going to make that huge a difference, most clubs have wage bills of 2-3 million a year at the moment, the second a club has money players and other clubs start asking for more

Champions League Final on a Saturday from 2010

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