Do you take Cocaine

tuxy · 27-11-2007 01:05AM

Tha Gopher wrote: »

Eh? Im not sure i know anyone who wouldnt smoke a spliff if it was passed around bar four, two of whom are simply repulsed by smoking and two who wouldnt because they are heavy into their football, athletic types.

Isn't this just an indication of the kind of people you hang around with or are friends with? ( don't mean this in an offensive way)

pclancy · 27-11-2007 01:05AM

Terrible drug, dangerous and stupid expensive for the "high" it gives. A serious money maker for scumbags and dealers and it seems to be the total drug of choice for those with fat wallets who want to try and impress, ive met so many people in the late 20s/30s/40s that do it that appear totally normal from the outside world and like to flash it at parties or do it at certain times for a "boost", a few extreme cases that do it so much or have done it so much where their attention span is so short its totally evident

I dont think drugs such as canabliss and even mushrooms should be illegal but coke ruins lives and is seriously dangerous to health.

Tha Gopher · 27-11-2007 01:07AM

tuxy wrote: »

Isn't this just an indication of the kind of people you hang around with or are friends with? ( don't mean this in an offensive way)

Not just friends, work group too (well, ok if I included my work group I could put in a few more, for example most of those with kids would have completely left that scene, but the people aged 20-35 in my office without kids, doubt there would be more than two that would refuse)

Tropheus · 27-11-2007 01:11AM

l3LoWnA wrote: »

If you've been in you're teens or twenties in the 21st century I find it hard to believe you've never come across cocaine.

Nope, not even my thirties so that excuses my ignorance.

Anti · 27-11-2007 01:17AM

Mr.S wrote: »

why was there blood?

Bad coke, was probably cut with some strong chemical.

Agamemnon · 27-11-2007 01:21AM

I've done it a few times and only once was it good stuff, and that only lasted 20 minutes or so. It's a ridiculous waste of money. Anyone who gets heavily into it obviously has self-esteem problems. I'm more than happy with booze and the occasional spliff.

connundrum · 27-11-2007 01:28AM

rb_ie wrote: »

could be that I found other stuff a lot more enjoyable than the "coke" that floods this country

Have never done it.

Will not talk to anyone who is obviously under the influence.

Have often thrown people out of clubs/pubs for engaging in the practice of using the toilet lid/sink top/urinal to snort.

If you want to do it in the privacy of your own home, do it. When you do it while in my company then you're going to annoy me.

Terry · 27-11-2007 01:34AM

tuxy wrote: »

Isn't this just an indication of the kind of people you hang around with or are friends with? ( don't mean this in an offensive way)

I know a certain bar in which about 50% of the people crammed in on a Saturday night would be using it.
Not my friends or co-workers. Just people I know to see.

connundrum · 27-11-2007 01:46AM

The amount of celebs who publicly are very anti drugs, whilst they are probably the biggest users of all is shocking i.e. shocking that they'd put themselves in that thin ice position.

If you use and you wish to continue to use, don't go public with your holier than thou image. You will get caught and you will be made look an idiot.

Bah, its nowt that anyone can do anything about. It just annoys me.

July · 27-11-2007 01:54AM

eo980 wrote: »

No but then I've never had grass or popped a pill of any sort. It just doesn't appeal to me and being slightly intoxicated on the odd occasion is enough for me.

Same as that.

I think drug taking is a sign of weakness tbh. Although I do drink and if it comes down to it, that's probably a weakness too but we're conditioned more into drinking as a normal, ok thing to do moreso than drug-taking. I think most people start drinking before they're old enough to actually decide that they want to be a drinker, whereas I think one makes more of a conscious decision to take drugs. I could be taking through my a**e though!

Dave! · 27-11-2007 01:58AM

July wrote: »

Same as that.

I think drug taking is a sign of weakness tbh. Although I do drink and if it comes down to it, that's probably a weakness too

Jesus h christ..... give me strength..........

Rb · 27-11-2007 02:00AM

DaveMcG wrote: »

Jesus h christ..... give me strength..........

lol

Shan75 · 27-11-2007 02:00AM

Never took it and I am too old now to be starting to take any drug.When I was a teenager/early twenties it really wasn't widely available.Hash was the thing at the time.I guess if I was growing up now I would probably chance it like everybody else seems to be doing.

Terry · 27-11-2007 02:01AM

DaveMcG wrote: »

Jesus h christ..... give me strength..........

Stop taking drugs.

l3LoWnA · 27-11-2007 02:03AM

July wrote: »

whereas I think one makes more of a conscious decision to take drugs. I could be taking through my a**e though!

I was drunk the first time I took drugs!

But I had always wanted to try them I suppose....I have now experienced enough and I am quite content that I was not and am still not a weak person for wanting to do that nor did I need drugs, I merely wanted to experience all they had to offer, which I did, and which was great

Drug-taking is a sign of weakness only to those who think drugs are something that need to be resisted.

Dave! · 27-11-2007 02:06AM

l3LoWnA wrote: »

Drugs are a sign of weakness only to those who think drugs are something that need to be resisted.

Interesting point.

July · 27-11-2007 02:07AM

DaveMcG wrote: »

Jesus h christ..... give me strength..........

There's a good lad, praying is a much better idea than doing drugs...:)

MagicMarker · 27-11-2007 02:11AM

I don't think doing drugs is a sign of weakness, more so a sign of stupidity, depending on the drug. Some people argue that the need to do drugs is a need to fill a gap in ones life, i would say this would be true in many cases, of course many people would argue against this also.

Rb · 27-11-2007 02:11AM

connundrum wrote: »

Have never done it.

Will not talk to anyone who is obviously under the influence.

Have often thrown people out of clubs/pubs for engaging in the practice of using the toilet lid/sink top/urinal to snort.

If you want to do it in the privacy of your own home, do it. When you do it while in my company then you're going to annoy me.

Well, it really depends. I wouldn't object to someone taking a few E at a dance set or something, where 90% of the people there would be out of it on E/Coke/etc. but if it's just a few lads doing it in a regular pub/club where 90% are on alcohol, 9% on soft drinks and 1% getting out of it, then it's absolutely intolerable and they're fcking arseholes for doing it.

There's a time and place for everything.

That said, the "cool" bars in Dublin city center would certainly not fall under regular pub/club, these are the bars where people go to be seen. They're littered with people off their heads on coke on the weekends, not knackers, well paid professionals etc. So whether it's appropriate in such a place, I'm undecided.

But these people are very easily avoided.

Rb · 27-11-2007 02:12AM

DaveMcG wrote: »

Interesting point.

Agreed. Good point indeed.

l3LoWnA · 27-11-2007 02:15AM

MagicMarker wrote: »

I don't think doing drugs is a sign of weakness, more so a sign of stupidity

You're right, then again, so is getting drunk, talking on the mobile while driving, getting into credit-card debt, thinking your willy is bigger than it actually is etc etc etc......there aren't many people out there who haven't got a level of stupidity inside them.

I'm not condoning all drug-taking. I'm just saying you can't tar everyone who has ever used cocaine as being a stupid person, surely!

marcsignal · 27-11-2007 02:20AM

MagicMarker wrote: »

I don't think doing drugs is a sign of weakness, more so a sign of stupidity, depending on the drug.

Yep, I draw the line at Heroin, how much more evidence do some people need that Heroin=Coffin.

MagicMarker wrote: »

Some people argue that the need to do drugs is a need to fill a gap in ones life, i would say this would be true in many cases, of course many people would argue against this also.

Yep, i'd agree, I've done my fair share of dabbling, but i'm 40 now, so that little avenue of pleasure has been closed off, and my better half dosen't want it opened up again. Did most of my dabbling years ago, when I was either bored and/or unemployed. Can't deal with Coke heads tho, given the choice would prefere mdma any day.

Dave! · 27-11-2007 02:25AM

MagicMarker wrote: »

I don't think doing drugs is a sign of weakness, more so a sign of stupidity, depending on the drug. Some people argue that the need to do drugs is a need to fill a gap in ones life, i would say this would be true in many cases, of course many people would argue against this also.

Just to clarify, are you saying it's;

i. stupid to use drugs (and not be addicted)
ii. weak to use drugs (and not be addicted)
iii. stupid to depend on drugs (ie. be addicted)
iv. weak to depend on drugs (ie. be addicted)

?

I could entertain the idea that it's a weakness to be ADDICTED to a drug, mainly because it IS possible to break an addiction, but it requires alot of mental strength on the part of the addict. It requires even more individual strength if you have no support from family/friends/whatever.

But maybe you could also consider that it's such a difficult task to break an addiction to heroin for example, that to manage to do that would be above and beyond the strength of the average person. It is perhaps ill judgement (and not weakness) that might lead someone to use something as addictive as heroin in the first place. They then require a huge amount of strength to overcome this.

I don't buy the idea that recreational, non dependent, drug use is a CRUTCH or a weakness or filling a void, or anything like that. Call me crazy, but I think it's quite possible to live a happy and fulfilled life but still go and have a few scoops with mates on the weekend. Nothing sad or weak about it. I don't see any reason to treat other drugs differently as long as they don't lead to dependence.

Recreational drugs produce a whole range of neurological effects, and depending on what you're into (hallucination, dancing, mellowing, socialising...) you can use whatever drug you like. Nothing sad about it, it just enhances your experiences if used correctly.

MagicMarker · 27-11-2007 02:29AM

l3LoWnA wrote: »

You're right, then again, so is getting drunk, talking on the mobile while driving, getting into credit-card debt, thinking your willy is bigger than it actually is etc etc etc......there aren't many people out there who haven't got a level of stupidity inside them.

I'm not condoning all drug-taking. I'm just saying you can't tar everyone who has ever used cocaine as being a stupid person, surely!

No of course not, i mentioned it's a sign of stupidity, depending on the drug.

Regarding cocaine itself, i can't personally comprehend why anyone would want to do it in the first place. I can understand why someone would want to do it once, to experience it and then move on having satisfied their curiosity.

But for people to use it regularly? I have absolutely no respect for these people whatsoever, not for taking the drug itself, but for knowingly and selfishly contributing to organised crime and the like. I also feel a certain pity for them for ''needing'' to take it in the first place, obviously something is missing in their lives to feel the need to spend outrageous amounts of money on something that will do them more harm than good. And before anyone says, i feel the same about alcohol too, apart from the organised crime part:)

Rb · 27-11-2007 02:30AM

DaveMcG wrote: »

I don't buy the idea that recreational, non dependent, drug use is a CRUTCH or a weakness or filling a void, or anything like that. Call me crazy, but I think it's quite possible to live a happy and fulfilled life but still go and have a few scoops with mates on the weekend. Nothing sad or weak about it. I don't see any reason to treat other drugs differently as long as they don't lead to dependence.

Recreational drugs produce a whole range of neurological effects, and depending on what you're into (hallucination, dancing, mellowing, socialising...) you can use whatever drug you like. Nothing sad about it, it just enhances your experiences if used correctly.

Fully agree Dave, particularly with the last line.

Good post.

l3LoWnA · 27-11-2007 02:44AM

MagicMarker wrote: »

I also feel a certain pity for them for ''needing'' to take it in the first place, obviously something is missing in their lives to feel the need to spend outrageous amounts of money on something that will do them more harm than good. And before anyone says, i feel the same about alcohol too, apart from the organised crime part:)

I feel sympathy towards all the thousands of people who NEED to go out and get langered twice or three times a week. Surely, they must have some sort of massive empty void in their lives or something they are running away from that they feel they need to get so disgustingly drunk when they socialise!!! :rolleyes:

Drink-driving has killed far more people in this country than organised crime has and far more innocent people too. By no means, do I think what's happening in the country with drug-lords getting richer and more nasty because of the booming cocaine trade is something that can be ignored, but just because one person enjoys the odd line of cocaine, with little or NO visible affect on them to an onlooker, you cannot tell them they're a murderer! No more than you can tell someone who gets drunk that they're promoting and contributing to the rise in binge-drinking culture and deaths in relation to alcohol.

Oh and I don't do drugs but did and I never needed them. I chose them and I wanted them, purely for enjoyment, nothing else. People who are so anti-drugs and ignorant about drugs and their effects really can't understand this though. It's like, a non-drinker looking down his nose at someone (believing someone is weak) who they think NEEDS a drink to relax/unwind/have fun at the weekend. The non-drinker somehow thinks he is superior as he does not need this vice to get him through a social occasion or a weekend. Surely the non-drinker can't understand what it's all about? Surely a non-drinker who thinks you NEED the alcohol can't possibly understand that you merely enjoy a drink?

MagicMarker · 27-11-2007 02:48AM

DaveMcG wrote: »

Just to clarify, are you saying it's;

i. stupid to use drugs (and not be addicted)
ii. weak to use drugs (and not be addicted)
iii. stupid to depend on drugs (ie. be addicted)
iv. weak to depend on drugs (ie. be addicted)

?

I could entertain the idea that it's a weakness to be ADDICTED to a drug, mainly because it IS possible to break an addiction, but it requires alot of mental strength on the part of the addict. It requires even more individual strength if you have no support from family/friends/whatever.

But maybe you could also consider that it's such a difficult task to break an addiction to heroin for example, that to manage to do that would be above and beyond the strength of the average person. It is perhaps ill judgement (and not weakness) that might lead someone to use something as addictive as heroin in the first place. They then require a huge amount of strength to overcome this.

I don't buy the idea that recreational, non dependent, drug use is a CRUTCH or a weakness or filling a void, or anything like that. Call me crazy, but I think it's quite possible to live a happy and fulfilled life but still go and have a few scoops with mates on the weekend. Nothing sad or weak about it. I don't see any reason to treat other drugs differently as long as they don't lead to dependence.

Recreational drugs produce a whole range of neurological effects, and depending on what you're into (hallucination, dancing, mellowing, socialising...) you can use whatever drug you like. Nothing sad about it, it just enhances your experiences if used correctly.

It's not stupid or weak to use certain drugs if you're mature about it and know your limits and also know what you're taking. For instance, if you buy E from a complete randomer or 'friend of a friend' then you're a bit of a gob****e for putting yourself in a dangerous position. Same could apply for cocaine i guess. The mishap in Waterford being a prime example. ie, people not having a clue.

There's always going to be an argument where drug use is concerned, because no matter what, there are always going to be people who use drugs recreationally and there will always be people who don't touch the stuff. Both of which have valid reasons to do so, some people need(i use this word lightly) drugs to chill out or whatever. Personally, if i want to chill out i'll listen to some music and that chills me out sufficiently enough to not seek out a joint somewhere. Hence, i don't 'get' the people who smoke.

But, where cocaine is concerned, no one can argue that it is a dangerous and addictive drug. So, for someone to use it regularly could be seen as being quite stupid and reckless, and i'd be hard pressed to disagree.

lucyburn · 27-11-2007 02:52AM

I have been tempted but was always to afraid to, i guess i just want to find out what all the fuss is about.
But if push came to shove i think i would leave it, I've never taken cocaine in my life so I'm probably better of without it.

MagicMarker · 27-11-2007 03:00AM

l3LoWnA wrote: »

By no means, do I think what's happening in the country with drug-lords getting richer and more nasty because of the booming cocaine trade is something that can be ignored, but just because one person enjoys the odd line of cocaine, with little or NO visible affect on them to an onlooker, you cannot tell them they're a murderer! No more than you can tell someone who gets drunk that they're promoting and contributing to the rise in binge-drinking culture and deaths in relation to alcohol.

There is a booming cocaine trade because of that one person who enjoys the odd line of cocain. It all adds up. Someone who gets drunk isn't directly financing organised crime, nor are they contributing to alcohol related deaths, unless of course, they actually die or kill someone while intoxicated:p

l3LoWnA wrote: »

Oh and I don't do drugs but did and I never needed them. I chose them and I wanted them, purely for enjoyment, nothing else. People who are so anti-drugs and ignorant about drugs and their effects really can't understand this though. It's like, a non-drinker looking down his nose at someone (believing someone is weak) who they think NEEDS a drink to relax/unwind/have fun at the weekend. The non-drinker somehow thinks he is superior as he does not need this vice to get him through a social occasion or a weekend. Surely the non-drinker can't understand what it's all about? Surely a non-drinker who thinks you NEED the alcohol can't possibly understand that you merely enjoy a drink?

I could say the same about drinkers. Have you ever told someone you don't drink when in a social setting? They look at you as if you have leprosy or something. If anything it comes across as socially unacceptable to not drink on a night out in Ireland. Which says a lot about peoples attitudes towards alcohol in general.

WhiteWashMan · 27-11-2007 03:40AM

MagicMarker wrote: »

if you buy E from a complete randomer or 'friend of a friend' then you're a bit of a gob****e for putting yourself in a dangerous position..

but if you buy from a regular dealer, well, he only has your best interests at heart, and isnt selling you drugs for the money?

drugs are bad, mmmkay?

Do you take Cocaine

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