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ecoli · 25-11-2007 06:13PM

i think it not so much bout the group rather are long line of under performing against the lesser teams like if we sort that i reckon we can take 2nd thou i wouldnt out it past bulgaria to be a dark horse but yea it is a good chance of us makin it

Bounty Hunter · 25-11-2007 06:15PM

ecoli wrote: »

i think it not so much bout the group rather are long line of under performing against the lesser teams like if we sort that i reckon we can take 2nd thou i wouldnt out it past bulgaria to be a dark horse but yea it is a good chance of us makin it

wouldent call Bulgaria dark horses they are seeded above us

leninbenjamin · 25-11-2007 06:15PM

Unearthly wrote: »

lol this feed, no-one knows its always live

yeah wtf is going on? i think someone forgot to select the stop transmitting button. it looks like it's just a camera station that's used for interviews for various different stations.

evad_lhorg · 25-11-2007 06:16PM

not a bad group at all.

The Volt · 25-11-2007 06:17PM

We CAN finish second yes. But the one that worries me is that only 4 of the best 2nd placed teams go through. We're bound to drop points along the way and It'll be tough to get into that best quartet.

Vokes · 25-11-2007 06:18PM

estebancambias wrote: »

No what I hate is the people on here who believe the crap. We have way better players then the three teams behind us...bettter players than Bulgaria, and inferior to Italy, but that does not mean we cannot beat them.

That's a bit of an over-generalization.

I would argue that Bulgaria have, at least, better attacking players than us in Berbatov, the 2 Petrovs and Bojinov. They are a very experienced team and only narrowly missed out on the Euros.

PHB · 25-11-2007 06:18PM

How good are Bulgaria?

_blank_ · 25-11-2007 06:21PM

PHB wrote: »

How good are Bulgaria?

No doubt you'll become an expert when Berbatov signs for Utd.

Erin Go Brath · 25-11-2007 06:21PM

Do we really have better players than Bulgaria? I have my doubts, and am wondering what people are basing than on

Bulgaria have had an impressing qualifying campaign, and are very unlucky not to be going to the euros. They only lost to Holland away, and took 4 points from Romania. Think boardsies are underestimating Bulgaria big time!

cregser · 25-11-2007 06:21PM

deise59 wrote: »

Looks lets put things in perspective. Heres what the groups would look like if we were in the other groups

Group 1:
Portugal, Sweden, Ireland, Hungary, Albania, Malta
LMAO Horrible group. We wouldnt have a hope

Group 2:
Greece, Israel, Ireland, Moldova, Latvia, Luxembourg
The only other group easier than ours.

Group 3:
Czech Republic, Poland, Ireland, Slovakia, Slovenia, San Marino
Tough. Any of those first 5 could do well

Group 4:
Germany, Russia, Ireland, Wales, Azerbaijan, Liechtenstein
Very tough. Azerbaijan away, Wales improving and we didnt do well at all against Russia in 04 qual. or Germany in 08 qual.

Group 5:, Spain, Turkey, Ireland, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Armenia, Estonia
Ouch. One of the toughest possible groups

Group 6:
Croatia, England, Ireland, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Andorra
Under Bilic Croatia are a v.good team and England are by far the best 2nd seeds.

Group 7:
France, Romania, Ireland, Lithuania, Austria, Faroe Islands
Meh. Lithania and Austria would probably be tougher than Georgia and Cyprus.

Group 9:
Holland, Scotland, Ireland, FYR Macedonia, Iceland
Not too bad.

Now all in all our group isn't bad. We could have got England, Sweden or Turkey but got Bulgaria. We have a real chance

All that pales into insignificance when you realise that Italy are bound to finish first in the group leaving us with a playoff place. Now look at all the other teams likely to be in the playoffs and consider our history in those games.

I think we can finish top 2 in our group but the playoffs are the big worry.

Our Group:

Italy - World Champions - says it all. But we are perennial underdogs.

Bulgaria - Finished 3rd in Euro qualifiers but unlike us, were actually close. They seem to have good home and poor away form. They're similar in quality of players to us. Although they have a much more developed national league than us (CSKA Sofia, Lokomotiv Sofia, & Levski Sofia making more inroads to UEFA competitions than our teams) only their attacking players are snapped up by the top European leagues - Berbatov (26), Martin Petrov (28) and Valeri Bojinov (21) being the most notable names.

Cyprus - We should get revenge on these guys. Finished second bottom in Euro qualifiers but got the most points of all 2nd last teams. Hard to now whether this will spur them on next time.

Georgia - Also finished second last in Scotlands group. Star player is Kakha Kaladze of AC Milan.

Montenegro - An unknown quantity really. Previous results with few goals conceded suggest a decently organised outfit.

Pigman II · 25-11-2007 06:22PM

Well Bulgaria are a hell of a lot better than us if their Euro2008 stats are anything to go by.

Mint Sauce · 25-11-2007 06:24PM

leninbenjamin wrote: »

rte can't be accessed from their site anymore.
http://dynamic.rte.ie/av/live/26gb/rsw2-450.asx

if you weren't watching it from the start, dont think you can pick it up now, opened rte on a second window and the link was no longer there

getting back to our own draw, and considering the fact that only 8 of the 9 runners up go to the play offs, we are still going to have to play quite well to be one of those 8 teams considering italys in the group, have to rememeber that the irish team is going through a major transition, hopfully by the time the WC qualifiers come around the younger players will have developed, hopfully with the right coaching from who ever the FAI pick

plus, if this celtic nations goes ahead or if ireland are inloved in a home nations competition with england, n ireland, scotland and wales, it will be good practise for the qulaifiers

estebancambias · 25-11-2007 06:25PM

Quote from Donadoni ''Ireland do not have a football history''.....WHAT!!!! That is so dumb.

Bulgaria good players Bojinov, Petrov, Berbatov and the Petrov off Aston Villa.

genericgoon · 25-11-2007 06:25PM

Im predicting 3rd or 4th unless the new manager actually makes a decent unit out of our team in which case 2nd seems viable.

Daysha · 25-11-2007 06:26PM

Pigman II wrote: »

Well Bulgaria are a hell of a lot better than us if their Euro2008 stats are anything to go by.

If those stats are compared to Ireland Euro 2008 stats, then thats no surprise. Irelands 08 stats should be wiped from history

estebancambias · 25-11-2007 06:27PM

Go on Wikipedia and look at the clubs these players off Bulgaria play for!!! We have a better team. That is not to say we will definetly beat them, but they are no better than us. They had an easier group than us as well.

Vokes · 25-11-2007 06:28PM

Well, I reckon we'll make a decent go of it, maybe even snatch a draw from Italy at home, compete well with the other big gun (Bulgaria) but probably mess up away to 2 of Georgia / Montengro / Cyprus, thereby guaranteeing us third spot as per our seeding

_blank_ · 25-11-2007 06:28PM

deise59 wrote: »

If those stats are compared to Ireland Euro 2008 stats, then thats no surprise. Irelands 08 stats should be wiped from history

Why? Because they show us up for what we are?

A shíte team.

tdv · 25-11-2007 06:29PM

deise59 wrote: »

Stop talking crap. Coming last in a WC qualifying group means less than 5 or 6 points. Are you assuming we wont beat Cyprus, Georgia and Montenegro at home?

Well Cyprus outplayed us at home last time. Maybe you havent watched Ireland latley but we can't play football. We are worse than England at over-hyping our national team.

Daysha · 25-11-2007 06:30PM

DesF wrote: »

Why? Because they show us up for what we are?

A shíte team.

No, we're a good team with a shíte organisation and a former shíte manager.

There's a difference

leninbenjamin · 25-11-2007 06:31PM

irish-stew wrote: »

if you weren't watching it from the start, dont think you can pick it up now, opened rte on a second window and the link was no longer there

i stopped watching it at about 5 and started again 10 minutes later. it's still there running away. their camera man has a real fetish for zooming in real close to people's faces when they're not transmitting.

"are they hearing me in turkey?"

random.

_blank_ · 25-11-2007 06:31PM

We're a shíte team tbh.

Unearthly · 25-11-2007 06:31PM

I think 2nd is achieveable, but we have to learn how to keep leads. In the past it has killed us going 1-0 up or whatever then losing it and vital points.

Best posible outcome would be to win all our home games(ok Italy draw then), beat Cyprus, Georgia and Montenegro away from home, a draw with Bulgaria, and a defeat at Italy

that leaves us with 23 points which should get us 2nd and qualify for a playoff

Vokes · 25-11-2007 06:32PM

estebancambias wrote: »

Go on Wikipedia and look at the clubs these players off Bulgaria play for!!! We have a better team. That is not to say we will definetly beat them, but they are no better than us. They had an easier group than us as well.

I think you're confusing the words team and squad, perhaps?

Bulgaria actually play like a proper team. Playing good football and get results.

Ireland eh... dont. (Fingers crossed the new manager sorts that out)

estebancambias · 25-11-2007 06:32PM

Your saying that because you live here, I bet on boards.bulgaria they are saying the same thing.

_blank_ · 25-11-2007 06:33PM

estebancambias wrote: »

Your saying that because you live here, I bet on boards.bulgaria they are saying the same thing.

Yeah, and on Boards.it and boards.cyp too.

It's becasue Ireland are shíte, and everyone knows it.

tdv · 25-11-2007 06:34PM

estebancambias wrote: »

Quote from Donadoni ''Ireland do not have a football history''.....WHAT!!!! That is so dumb.

Bulgaria good players Bojinov, Petrov, Berbatov and the Petrov off Aston Villa.

He must have forgot about that day in June of 1994 when he had a shocking game & blew Italy's best chance.

To be fair compared to Italy we don't have much of a History.

estebancambias · 25-11-2007 06:34PM

No I bet on the Bulgarian boards they are saying our team is crap..we need a better manager..etc. etc.

Unearthly · 25-11-2007 06:34PM

DesF wrote: »

Yeah, and on Boards.it and boards.cyp too.

It's becasue Ireland are shíte, and everyone knows it.

Most international teams are

Daysha · 25-11-2007 06:35PM

DesF wrote: »

We're a shíte team tbh.

Judgin by what? A qualifying campaign led by a totally clueless manager and without two of our better players (Duff and Reid) for the most of it?

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