24 Hour pubs and clubs

eirebhoy · 23-11-2007 08:56PM #1

I know this debate has been done to death but what the hell. I was listening to someone on Newstalk saying he was in Denmark and Sweden recently. Denmark had the 24 hour pubs and it was a much better, more relaxed place.

Just one question, why is there a limit? When was it first introduced and what was the reason? I doubt there has ever been a 24 hour pub in this country but it's only recently we're getting 24 hour anything.

I was over in Cardiff for the match last weekend. We got to our hotel at 1am. Asked what time the pubs shut and he said 24 hour. While I can't remember seeing a 24 hour pub, loads of places shut at 6am. It's just so much better when you're not rushing for last orders and the streets are packed with people at 3am.

It would probably be a bit wild for the first few weeks but we'll get over that. Sure if people want to stay drinking for 2 days straight they'll just go to someones house at 3.30, drink there for 4 or 5 hours and hit an early house. Most places won't stay open 24 hours, they'll shut at some time. I just don't see the need for a limit.

Why not?

RandolphEsq · 23-11-2007 09:01PM

I know this debate has been done to death but what the hell. I was listening to someone on Newstalk saying he was in Denmark and Sweden recently. Denmark had the 24 hour pubs and it was a much better, more relaxed place.

Just one question, why is there a limit? When was it first introduced and what was the reason? I doubt there has ever been a 24 hour pub in this country but it's only recently we're getting 24 hour anything.

I was over in Cardiff for the match last weekend. We got to our hotel at 1am. Asked what time the pubs shut and he said 24 hour. While I can't remember seeing a 24 hour pub, loads of places shut at 6am. It's just so much better when you're not rushing for last orders and the streets are packed with people at 3am.

It would probably be a bit wild for the first few weeks but we'll get over that. Sure if people want to stay drinking for 2 days straight they'll just go to someones house at 3.30, drink there for 4 or 5 hours and hit an early house. Most places won't stay open 24 hours, they'll shut at some time. I just don't see the need for a limit.

I concur

eirebhoy · 23-11-2007 09:07PM

I think the problem is politicians would feel they need a good reason to get rid of the limit. It should be the other way around. They should be asking why it's there.

Setun · 23-11-2007 09:09PM

I don't think the Oirish could handle 24 hour pubs.

leninbenjamin · 23-11-2007 09:16PM

Daddio wrote: »

I don't think the Oirish could handle 24 hour pubs.

i'm not sure we could either... I definitly wouldn't allow the clubs to stay open that long, maybe some pubs...

Denmark and the others have a very different drinking culture to ours, ya can't really compare like with like. then again i know the English have it different but has it had a positive impact? my knowledge is limited but the impression i have is that it doesn't

daveirl · 23-11-2007 09:21PM

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leninbenjamin · 23-11-2007 09:39PM

daveirl wrote: »

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has their actually been an improvement though?

KdjaCL · 23-11-2007 09:58PM

They dont drink much and go out at midnight and buy maybe 3 drinks all night, in denmark you can pay €14 for a pint in some places.

But you can drink on the streets so spars sell a lot of beer, as people get beer then go pub for one or 2.

kdjac

constitutionus · 23-11-2007 10:15PM

leninbenjamin wrote: »

has their actually been an improvement though?

cant remember the source but i do recall the police reported a significant reduction in arrests for anti social behavior when they brought it into scotland. its not really 24 hours but rather a staged shift where each pub decides what opening hours they want to observe. i.e 6am to 6 pm or 6pm to 6am or anything in between. cant say im surprised. look how many gardai are on shift at a major game at croke park and thats just for 80 thousand people. WAY more than that get kicked out of every pub in the country at the same time and the police force is nowhere near that . statistically alone its more likely thered be trouble even without the drink being involved

that said you couldnt pay me to go to a 24hr club. id much rather leave a pub at say 2am. considering how late most people get home from work nowadays the current closing times are ridiculous

Sam Vimes · 23-11-2007 10:29PM

apparently it was brought in during world war 1 ti make sure people were up early to help with the war effort*

*probably not true

ojewriej · 24-11-2007 01:09PM

24 hours is a way to go.

Thousands of drunk people leaving clubs at the same time - not a good idea, just look at the Temple Bar on Sat night. Also, you can drink slower without the deadline looming, so you won't get locked that fast. Also, how much easier would it be to get a taxi on a night out?

I don't buy the argument that Irish people couldn't take it. If someone is that stupid to be drinking 24/7 he will find the ways now as well.

Most of the people would probably drink till maybe 5, till they get tired, as opposed to being forced out on the streets at their drunkest, because they had to do 5 shots before bar closed.

Dakeyras · 24-11-2007 01:19PM

if you so wish you can drink all night. pub > nightclub > early house

though i will grant there is an hour or two where you must go to somewhere like **** ***** but it's there if you so inclined

Lands Leaving · 24-11-2007 03:06PM

The novelty would wear off. I was in denmark and the streets never get packed, theres no fights or lout behaviour, no danger. Boring really! People go out later and can stay out till they want to instead of filling the streets drunkenly frustrated about leaving before they a) drank enough or b) found someone to take home. Then arguments over taxis, no buses etc. Ireland at night is basically asking for trouble by closing everywhere early.

Dave! · 24-11-2007 10:41PM

Lands Leaving wrote: »

The novelty would wear off. I was in denmark and the streets never get packed, theres no fights or lout behaviour, no danger. Boring really! People go out later and can stay out till they want to instead of filling the streets drunkenly frustrated about leaving before they a) drank enough or b) found someone to take home. Then arguments over taxis, no buses etc. Ireland at night is basically asking for trouble by closing everywhere early.

Good summary!

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Did the government say anything about this? They gonna investigate the option of 24 hrs, or just carry on with the current policy? I seem to remember Mick McDowell trying to bring in cafe-bars or somethin....

Terry · 25-11-2007 12:04AM

I'd like to see it myself, but I don't think it would work.

12.30 closing on Thursday nights, anyone?

Ponster · 25-11-2007 01:17AM

Commander Vimes wrote: »

apparently it was brought in during world war 1 ti make sure people were up early to help with the war effort

It's what I've always been told and have read it in several history books for whatever that's worth.

It is AFAIK the truth. Pre-WWI there was no such thing as closing hours and public houses decided their own working hours.

ciaran76 · 25-11-2007 01:17AM

They had 24 hour pubs and clubs in Sydney. They workined fine over there in my opinion.

Venom · 25-11-2007 01:18AM

It would be crazy for a month max than everything would be cool is my bet. As has been mentioned already its the amount of people all ending up on the street at the same time that causes most issues.

Just because you can drink for 24/7 dosent mean you can afford to

Ponster · 25-11-2007 11:02AM

JFI, opening hours changed in 1914 with the The Defence Of The Realm Act. Before then, adults were deemed 'adult' enough to decide when they could and couldn't drink.

Zzippy · 25-11-2007 12:27PM

Terry wrote: »

I'd like to see it myself, but I don't think it would work.

12.30 closing on Thursday nights, anyone?

Yes, bring it back!

I presume it was Herr McDowell that moved it back to 11.30 - can't remember the reason given at the time...

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 25-11-2007 01:33PM

'we're fascist bastards, and all the pubs we drink in will stay open later than that if we want, so **** the rest of you mick's'

probably something along those lines

Zzippy · 25-11-2007 02:11PM

Mordeth wrote: »

'we're fascist bastards, and all the pubs we drink in will stay open later than that if we want, so **** the rest of you mick's'

probably something along those lines

Yeah, thought it was something like that alright

Lands Leaving · 25-11-2007 02:27PM

Galwayguy99 wrote: »

Yes, bring it back!

I presume it was Herr McDowell that moved it back to 11.30 - can't remember the reason given at the time...

I believe he said "I hear Lands Leaving doesn't work on a friday and likes a nice pint of a Thursday evening, I'm going to see to it that he has to be in bed by 12"

Bloody nanny state we live in.

unreggd · 25-11-2007 04:46PM

Never gonna happen!!

I think bars/clubs should open earlier, and close later

the average is open at 11, close at 2.30 for a club

10 to 3.30 would be grand

I was in Madrid and the clubs open from 12 til 6am, and its too hard t pace yerself, not to mention how much extra you'd spend on booze a night

kelle · 25-11-2007 05:12PM

Aargh! That would be a nightmare for us hospital workers! As it is, working Thursday to Sunday nights are horrible.

ParkRunner · 25-11-2007 05:13PM

I definitely agree that it is a bad idea, the A&E wards would have even more people coming in unable to look after themselves

ojewriej · 25-11-2007 05:17PM

kelle wrote: »

Aargh! That would be a nightmare for us hospital workers! As it is, working Thursday to Sunday nights are horrible.

i don't agree. FIrst off all drunks would be spread thorought the nght instead of coming all at more or less the same time, and second, thre would be less fights i believe

Lands Leaving · 25-11-2007 05:18PM

But it would be far more spread out and I don't believe it would cause more people in hospitals, the same people who end up in that state do it anyway, its nothing to do with drinking times. I think it would be more likely to ease pressure on a&e by having drunk idiots more spaced out since they can drink anytime

Lands Leaving · 25-11-2007 05:19PM

unreggd wrote: »

I was in Madrid and the clubs open from 12 til 6am, and its too hard t pace yerself, not to mention how much extra you'd spend on booze a night

And thats only because you were on holidays. I did the same in denmark, but anyone who lives there told me that the novelty totally wears off after a few weeks

Terry · 25-11-2007 09:01PM

Galwayguy99 wrote: »

Yes, bring it back!

I presume it was Herr McDowell that moved it back to 11.30 - can't remember the reason given at the time...

It was because too many people were missing work on friday, or turning up with really bad hangovers.

AlmightyCushion · 25-11-2007 09:07PM

Terry wrote: »

It was because too many people were missing work on friday, or turning up with really bad hangovers.

Then make Fridays a national holiday. Problem solved.

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