Saudi woman gets jail (and whipped) for being gang raped

TwoShedsJackson · 16-11-2007 09:21AM #1

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7096814.stm

Delightful - although in fairness she was 'in an unrelated man's car' at the time, so clearly she got what she deserved :rolleyes:

The Hill Billy · 16-11-2007 09:29AM

Hold your bleedin' horses there! She did not get jailed & whipped for being gang raped.

She got jailed & lashed for "violating laws on segregation of the sexes" & for attempting to influence the judiciary.

The men who gang-raped her also had their sentences doubled.

seamus · 16-11-2007 09:35AM

Ah Islam, is there anything you won't do?

super_furry · 16-11-2007 09:36AM

seamus wrote: »

Ah Islam, is there anything you won't do?

Eat pork?

magick · 16-11-2007 09:55AM

them durkas are a crazy bunch

religion of peace :rolleyes:

The Sweeper · 16-11-2007 10:10AM

Hill Billy wrote: »

Hold your bleedin' horses there! She did not get jailed & whipped for being gang raped.

She got jailed & lashed for "violating laws on segregation of the sexes" & for attempting to influence the judiciary.

The men who gang-raped her also had their sentences doubled.

Absolutely!

She was jailed and whipped for being in a car with a bloke who wasn't her brother or her son or her father! Damn right! Should have stoned her too! And as for trying to appeal to the sanity of the masses to make sure you don't get lashed for being in some bloke's car, that's definitely a DOUBLE WHIPPING OFFENCE!

Good to see the bloke who got one year for being part of a gang that raped a 19 year old woman fourteen times had his sentence doubled to two years. THAT'LL LEARN HIM!

Yep. Justice served all around I think.

kmick · 16-11-2007 10:18AM

Very sad. However I would say the people down there are no more or less screwed up than we are. Their religion is a little bit stricter mind. Poor woman.

Terry · 16-11-2007 10:23AM

magick wrote: »

them durkas are a crazy bunch

religion of peace :rolleyes:

Warning given.

The Hill Billy · 16-11-2007 10:45AM

Minesajackdaniels wrote: »

Absolutely!

She was jailed and whipped for being in a car with a bloke who wasn't her brother or her son or her father! Damn right! Should have stoned her too! And as for trying to appeal to the sanity of the masses to make sure you don't get lashed for being in some bloke's car, that's definitely a DOUBLE WHIPPING OFFENCE!

Good to see the bloke who got one year for being part of a gang that raped a 19 year old woman fourteen times had his sentence doubled to two years. THAT'LL LEARN HIM!

Yep. Justice served all around I think.

You seem to think that I'm condoning the Saudi justice system. I am not.

I pointed out that the OP's thread title was misleading as she did not get jailed for being gang raped.

It is sensationalist & completely incorrect bo11ox like that the serves to further divide the christians/jews/muslims/[enter random religion/ethnicity here].

biko · 16-11-2007 10:50AM

Fundamentalism rears its ugly head again.

Brethitmanhart · 16-11-2007 10:50AM

True but still overall it's just not right...although I 100% agree with Hill Billy, for example how many people would read the title and tell loads of people they knoe...when it's not true!

DO0GLE · 16-11-2007 10:53AM

Wouldn't be great if the Irish government brought in lashes into this country. That would sort half the scumbags out

Public lashes every Saturday morning on O'Connell St. for knackers

cornbb · 16-11-2007 10:58AM

The title is inaccurate but I wouldn't say its particulary sensationalist. This is fairly typical of what women deal with in Saudi Arabia. In a trial, women can't testify unless "it is a personal matter that did not occur in the sight of men". Even then, their testimony is regarded as presumption, not fact, while the testimony of a male witness (eg rape suspect) is regarded as fact.

Kintarō Hattori · 16-11-2007 10:59AM

It's a shocking case and how Saudi Arabia can think of itself as a civilised nation is beyond me at the moment.
OK so she broke the laws on segregation, but they were pretty crazy laws in the first place. It's also shocking that she gets double the amount of lashes and a jail sentance for appealing her case.

daveirl · 16-11-2007 11:01AM

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r3nu4l · 16-11-2007 11:03AM

HillBilly makes a great point. It's time people started reporting things properly.

That said, MAJD once again makes an excellent point and I fully agree with her. The injustice of it all is shocking.

EdgarAllenPoo · 16-11-2007 11:05AM

It's useful to point out that while they might be "crazy laws" they are still the law of the land there and have to be followed. You wouldn't expect someone here to have decent grounds for appeal just because the law they broke is considered crazy by other countries.

daveirl · 16-11-2007 11:09AM

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EdgarAllenPoo · 16-11-2007 11:23AM

I'm not saying you shouldn't critisize them (you should definitely critisize the harshness of the punishment), what I'm saying is that every person in whatever country they're in has to follow the laws of that country, if it was against the law for her to be in a car with a man other than a male relative then she shouldn't have been.

Terry · 16-11-2007 11:30AM

GDM wrote: »

I'm not saying you shouldn't critisize them (you should definitely critisize the harshness of the punishment), what I'm saying is that every person in whatever country they're in has to follow the laws of that country, if it was against the law for her to be in a car with a man other than a male relative then she shouldn't have been.

He has a point.

While it may be a complete ludicrous law, the fact of the matter is that it is law.
Break it at your own peril.

sickpuppy · 16-11-2007 11:32AM

It is a shame western society depends so much on oil.
Otherwise we wouldnt have to trade interact with these oppressive regimes.
I am sick of people saying its there culture laws etc its barbaric and ali baba and the fourty thieves should not be let into ireland.

griffdaddy · 16-11-2007 11:37AM

Terry wrote: »

He has a point.

While it may be a complete ludicrous law, the fact of the matter is that it is law.
Break it at your own peril.

It is a very valid point, if i was in Ireland and got caught with a bag of high quality grass i couldn't say 'oh, when i lived in Holland this case would be considered ridiculous.', even though, over here, when i watch international news with Dutch people they think it's the WEIRDEST thing ever when people get huge jail sentences for Cannabis, it's like us seeing someone get sentenced to 10years for having a car full of whiskey or something.

Jigsaw · 16-11-2007 12:05PM

daveirl wrote: »

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Bloody sub human savages tbh. Aren't they the big fellows?

If I was King for a day........................:mad:

Lux23 · 16-11-2007 12:12PM

GDM wrote: »

I'm not saying you shouldn't critisize them (you should definitely critisize the harshness of the punishment), what I'm saying is that every person in whatever country they're in has to follow the laws of that country, if it was against the law for her to be in a car with a man other than a male relative then she shouldn't have been.

She also shouldn't have been raped but you all seem more upset about her breaking segregation laws. If people don't stand up to the injustices in the world how will anything every change. Nelson Mandela was considered a terrorist as was Michael Collins, the suffragettes, the american revolutionaries etc etc. Saudi is a corrupt country with archaic laws but it seems they have a get out of free jail card because of oil. Thats what is really sick.

hopalong85 · 16-11-2007 12:15PM

Lux23 wrote: »

She also shouldn't have been raped but you all seem more upset about her breaking segregation laws. If people don't stand up to the injustices in the world how will anything every change. Nelson Mandela was considered a terrorist as was Michael Collins, the suffragettes, the american revolutionaries etc etc. Saudi is a corrupt country with archaic laws but it seems they have a get out of free jail card because of oil. Thats what is really sick.

Nelson Mandela and Michael Collins were terrorists. Collins used guerilla warfare and Mandela was in the ANC. The ANC were terrorists.

togster · 16-11-2007 12:18PM

hopalong85 wrote: »

Nelson Mandela and Michael Collins were terrorists. Collins used guerilla warfare and Mandela was in the ANC. The ANC were terrorists.

What?? By who's standards? Yours?

Lux23 · 16-11-2007 12:19PM

hopalong85 wrote: »

Nelson Mandela and Michael Collins were terrorists. Collins used guerilla warfare and Mandela was in the ANC. The ANC were terrorists.

Yes I am aware of that, but most would call them 'freedom fighter'. But my point is that they stood up and tried to change something, people in saudi should be doing the same.

humbert · 16-11-2007 12:25PM

The delightful world of Sharia Law. Where grotesque inequality and violence are imposed by law.

hopalong85 · 16-11-2007 12:25PM

I know their motives were right. Still terrorists though. It is sick what happened to this girl, segregation law or not there is no excuse for her being punished here. I can't see things changing there though. A lot of the citizens in Saudi most likely agree with it unfortunately.

sickpuppy · 16-11-2007 12:26PM

Saudi people stand up and be counted you must be joking?
You puta foot wrong in the eyes of the law there and your are ****ed.
They have a huge amount of executions yearly can you imagine what the jails are like?
The whole arab world belongs in the middleages with there horrible laws and the way the treat women especially.
Honour killing and the such are disgusting but its ok its there culture lets hope it dosent infest ireland,what we have here is not perfect but its a hell of a lot better than shariah law etc.

zuutroy · 16-11-2007 12:47PM

Thats ingenius. A large portion of this world really hasn't evolved too far from primates.

Saudi woman gets jail (and whipped) for being gang raped

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