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Eye-land or I-uh-land?
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Funny enough I pronounce it IRELAND.
And here's what Ireland mean's to me (big cheesy moment)..
I is for internment of the innocent and free
R is for resistance to the laws of tryany
E is for the English who have torn our land apart
L is for the love of freedom in every Irish heart
A is for the answer we`re all searching for
N is for one nation and an end to this long war
D is for the dream of millions longing to be free.
That`s how I spell Ireland, that`s what Ireland means to me.
Here here!0 -
Okay - having learnt English in England I can see where I got the idea that Ireland had a silent R. Of course I'll change my pronunciation now to Ire-land.
So much antagonism on a simple question! :eek:
Ok, if English isn't your first language, and you learned English in England, you're probably going to have got the wrong idea about a LOT of words and their pronunciation. As someone else pointed out, the English in general (southern English anyway) don't usually pronounce the R in words. This is NOT the same as said R genuinely being a silent letter, it's purely accent. Etymologically/grammatically/linguistically/whatever-ally it's not silent, not like the G in "foreign" or the P in "psychology", which are incorrectly pronounced in ANY accent. However, it also means that there is nothing wrong, strictly speaking, with NOT pronouncing the R in words, if that's the accent you have. But it is just accent.
For example: the English pronounce the word "car" as "caah" or "cauh", but the R is not actually silent. Equally Londoners can pronounce the word "flower" as "flaaagh", but there is no A in the word, nor are the O, W or E silent
OTOH however, just so you don't think we Irish are perfect, I've heard many, many non-native English speakers (mostly the Spanish and Italian students who come here in the summer) who've learned English here pronounce "cat" as "cash", because of the very soft Irish T. Except their ears can't quite pick up the difference between an Irish T and SH, so they over-pronounce the SH sound, making it simply wrong. 0 -
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Funny enough I pronounce it IRELAND.
And here's what Ireland mean's to me (big cheesy moment)..
I is for internment of the innocent and free
R is for resistance to the laws of tryany
E is for the English who have torn our land apart
L is for the love of freedom in every Irish heart
A is for the answer we`re all searching for
N is for one nation and an end to this long war
D is for the dream of millions longing to be free.
That`s how I spell Ireland, that`s what Ireland means to me.
I'd hate to see you at a spelling bee, you'd be there all day.0 -
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So many experts.Ok, if English isn't your first language, and you learned English in England, you're probably going to have got the wrong idea about a LOT of words and their pronunciation.
A different idea, not a wrong idea. There is no reason that pronouncing /r/ sounds is any more or less correct than not doing it.As someone else pointed out, the English in general (southern English anyway) don't usually pronounce the R in words. This is NOT the same as said R genuinely being a silent letter, it's purely accent. Etymologically/grammatically/linguistically/whatever-ally it's not silent, not like the G in "foreign" or the P in "psychology", which are incorrectly pronounced in ANY accent. However, it also means that there is nothing wrong, strictly speaking, with NOT pronouncing the R in words, if that's the accent you have. But it is just accent.
Yes is is the same as a silent letter. In non rhotic accents /r/ is usually a silent letter, genuinely. Etymologically pronouncing /r/ is not better, in many cases the original word has no /r/ sound but later accents added them because of the presence of the letter. In other words, us rhotic speakers (Irish, most Americans) actually started to pronounce the word incorrectly.For example: the English pronounce the word "car" as "caah" or "cauh", but the R is not actually silent. Equally Londoners can pronounce the word "flower" as "flaaagh", but there is no A in the word, nor are the O, W or E silent
flaaagh is not pronounceable in English. Unfortunately trying to describe pronunciation using the same letters as are causing the problem is next to impossible.0 -
OTOH however, just so you don't think we Irish are perfect, I've heard many, many non-native English speakers (mostly the Spanish and Italian students who come here in the summer) who've learned English here pronounce "cat" as "cash", because of the very soft Irish T. Except their ears can't quite pick up the difference between an Irish T and SH, so they over-pronounce the SH sound, making it simply wrong.
Ha, ha, ha. That brings back memories.
I used to live with a Spanish guy who I told 'just copy the Irish people you work with if you want to learn how to use English like a native speaker'.
A few weeks later, he was going around saying 'Rightss' all the time. Turned out his boss was from Mayo.
Wrt closer to England or America, we're definitely closer to the States, loads of Spaniards I know who learnt English here can watch US films without much difficulty, but when it comes to British ones........0 -
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Thirdfox,
Of course people have been asking you what island you're from, you've been saying you come from eye-land, Dumb-Ass.
There is an "R" in the word. It is not a silent letter. Use it.
Correct pronunciation is I-ER-LAND or IRE-LAND.
I can't believe that you don't know how to pronounce the name of the country you come from.
Go back to your cave, Troll.
Jesus Christ.
A multi-page thread on the pronunciation of Ireland.
What next...
"I prefer the spelling of Ireland with a J not an I".
Dame takes no $hit though LOL 0 -
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TwoKingMick wrote: »Yes is is the same as a silent letter. In non rhotic accents /r/ is usually a silent letter, genuinely. Etymologically pronouncing /r/ is not better, in many cases the original word has no /r/ sound but later accents added them because of the presence of the letter. In other words, us rhotic speakers (Irish, most Americans) actually started to pronounce the word incorrectly.
Oh really? Interesting Have you any examples for me? Um, that's not meant sarky by the way, cos I've suddenly realised how easy it would be to think that. Am genuinely interested
Although - and I realise this might be taking things a little too off-topic, and probably warrants a thread/discussion/lesson of it's own - could it be argued that said words didn't originally have an /r/ sound simply because it came to us from English, and thus said accent didn't pronounce the /r/ sound? And, um, if that *couldn't* be argued, then why was the letter R present in the word in the first place? It all gets kind of cyclical.flaaagh is not pronounceable in English. Unfortunately trying to describe pronunciation using the same letters as are causing the problem is next to impossible.
Ah Jesus, now you're being overly pedantic (and in a thread based almost entirely on pedantry that's saying something
) - it's totally pronounceable. The GH is used to indicate that aspirated sound at the end of a British-pronounced, R-ending word (though I could have just used H I guess) and the 3 As is to indicate a longer A sound than a single. Works fine, if not strictly following phoenetic symbols 0 -
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