Rip off home prices in crime ridden areas

Jesus Wept · 28-10-2007 11:32PM

gurramok wrote: »

I've researched RTE news website especially for dublindude

I somehow came up with 48 exact matches for this year which is also the official figure, maybe just fluky on my part.:)

good work, gunna read the ones for my area.

snickerpuss · 28-10-2007 11:42PM

Orange69 wrote: »

Its not like you are personally being blamed for these shootings?

I know but I think Coolock has a bad enough reputation without getting most of the shootings on the northside of Dublin attributed to it. I'm almost fond of the place at this point in some twisted way.

AARRRGH · 29-10-2007 01:02AM

gurramok wrote: »

Now.. 4 murders in Tipp total, 3 in Finglas, 3 in Clontarf, 3 in Clondalkin, 3 in Clonmel alone, 3 in Limerick, 3 in Cork, 3 in Meath etc.

So Finglas is in joint second place for murders in Ireland.

You really think that means nothing?

Yes, dublindude is wrong because Finglas is only in joint second place. For my argument to be valid Finglas must contain every murder in Ireland. :rolleyes:

I wonder what the average number of murders per year is in Finglas and Clontarf? Somehow I think the average in Finglas is higher.

gurramok · 29-10-2007 10:01AM

dublindude wrote: »

Yes, dublindude is wrong because Finglas is only in joint second place. For my argument to be valid Finglas must contain every murder in Ireland. :rolleyes:

You had stated the following:

dublindude wrote:

The Finglas area has the second highest amount of murders in the state - 12.6% of all murders in Ireland. (The Coolock area is #1.)

3 out of 48 murders don't count as 12.6%, thats the 2nd time on which you've been proved wrong.

You has stated

dublindude wrote:

I would classify Finglas as a crime ridden area; one of the worst in Ireland.

You've been proved wrong twice so far.

dublindude wrote:

I wonder what the average number of murders per year is in Finglas and Clontarf? Somehow I think the average in Finglas is higher.

Look it up for '06 and previous years, i did the work to prove you wrong for '07.

You now do the work and prove you are right if you bother to back up your argument with facts.

AARRRGH · 29-10-2007 02:26PM

OK, I give up. The fact that Finglas has the second highest number of murders in the country means nothing. Finglas is just as nice an area as Blackrock. Case closed.

gurramok · 29-10-2007 03:36PM

dublindude wrote: »

OK, I give up. The fact that Finglas has the second highest number of murders in the country means nothing. Finglas is just as nice an area as Blackrock. Case closed.

Correction..Finglas has the joint second highest number of murders in the country along with Clontarf, Clondalkin, Clonmel, Limerick, Cork and Meath.

Good to hear your conclusion

EDIT: missed the word second in sentence above for Dublindude, humble apologies for the horrible typo to cause horrendous confusion

gamer · 29-10-2007 04:20PM

THE no of houses being built in dublin is quite small ,so prices are high even in so called crime ridden areas.I KNOW people who live in finglas who have had no problems with crime, but they have alarms fitted to deter burglars.Most of the building going on is apartments,which give a higher profit ratio to developers than single houses.Estates where 90percent of the houses are excorpo owner accupied tend to be safer,as they average age is 30plus,and most people are working full time.Finglas is not one single block,some estates are quieter than others.

Zulu · 29-10-2007 05:54PM

gurramok 1; dublindude 0

Nice one resurecting a dead thread to get a futher beaten in an argument.

AARRRGH · 29-10-2007 06:49PM

gurramok wrote: »

4 murders in Tipp total, 3 in Finglas, 3 in Clontarf, 3 in Clondalkin, 3 in Clonmel alone, 3 in Limerick, 3 in Cork, 3 in Meath etc.

dublindude wrote:

Finglas has the second highest number of murders in the country

gurramok wrote:

Finglas has the joint highest number of murders in the country along with Clontarf, Clondalkin, Clonmel, Limerick, Cork and Meath

Come on, you're arguing with yourself now. Earlier you said it was Tipp, now it's Finglas again.

So if you (after changing your mind again) agree that Finglas is in the #1 or #2 spot for the number of murders in Ireland, would you agree, yes, Finglas is a dodgy area?

You seem to be arguing for the sake of it.

Laslo · 29-10-2007 07:27PM

This Finglas you speak of. It sounds like such a utopia. I must buy a property there.

Poccington · 29-10-2007 07:28PM

Laslo wrote: »

This Finglas you speak of. It sounds like such a utopia. I must buy a property there.

Do, it's nice here.

Just don't annoy the Shinners

gurramok · 29-10-2007 07:43PM

dublindude wrote: »

Come on, you're arguing with yourself now. Earlier you said it was Tipp, now it's Finglas again.

Thought the case was closed by your good self?

If you had read the post, Tipp turns out to be the worst for murders at a total of 4.

Where did i say Finglas was the worst?
EDIT: missed that typo, the word missing was SECOND out of that sentence you quoted, with your reply you must of been terribly confused with the stats there for a min

dublindude wrote: »

So if you (after changing your mind again) agree that Finglas is in the #1 or #2 spot for the number of murders in Ireland, would you agree, yes, Finglas is a dodgy area?

Were did i change my mind 'again' nevermind allegedly once?

For the umpteenth time, to explain again, Finglas is joint 2nd with 6 other areas, its not holding onto 2nd by itself.

Yes there are dodgy areas in Finglas just like there is in Blackrock, just like in every city/town/friggin hamlet in the country, whats the point?

dublindude wrote: »

You seem to be arguing for the sake of it.

Huh?..You've been proven wrong quite a few times with my facts against your fiction and keep misleading the issue.

AARRRGH · 29-10-2007 07:59PM

Listen: if you leave out words like "second", so I think you are saying "worst" rather than "second worst", you can't blame me for that.

All along I have said Finglas is second worst (I accept it is joint second worst) which, no matter how hard you try to spin it, does not mean it can be fairly compared to places like Blackrock.

When you say "what's the point" - this topic is about "rip off homes in crime ridden areas", and many of the pages contain rubbish like Finglas is safer than Blackrock, etc.

For the record, I don't give a **** if you want to live in Finglas, nor do I give a **** about Finglas. I do however try to live in reality so I can't bring myself to accept Finglas is not famous for crime, nor home to many criminals, nor a place where murders are not totally uncommon.

gurramok · 29-10-2007 08:12PM

dublindude wrote: »

Listen: if you leave out words like "second", so I think you are saying "worst" rather than "second worst", you can't blame me for that.

All along I have said Finglas is second worst (I accept it is joint second worst) which, no matter how hard you try to spin it, does not mean it can be fairly compared to places like Blackrock.

When you say "what's the point" - this topic is about "rip off homes in crime ridden areas", and many of the pages contain rubbish like Finglas is safer than Blackrock, etc.

You had corrected me on the word second incidentally twice

in post 244

Question now is can you prove Blackrock is safer with backup from facts or is it just hearsay like your argument on Finglas?

dublindude wrote: »

For the record, I don't give a **** if you want to live in Finglas, nor do I give a **** about Finglas. I do however try to live in reality so I can't bring myself to accept Finglas is not famous for crime, nor home to many criminals, nor a place where murders are not totally uncommon.

Huh?...Where did i say i want to live in Finglas?..I simply pointed out misleading posts quoting from SBP.

On the subject of Finglas.
To help you, we know that there has been 3 murders(all gangland) in Finglas in '07, can you back up your case with facts that it is 'not famous for crime', 'home to many criminals' and 'where murders are not totally uncommon' (does 3 count as common?)

AARRRGH · 29-10-2007 08:40PM

gurramok wrote: »

can you prove Blackrock is safer with backup from facts... etc.

Only an idiot could have a hard time believing Blackrock is safer than Finglas.

Please don't go down the route of everything I type must be backed up by stats and facts. That's just completely retarded.

However as I know you won't accept this, I will point out that houses in Blackrock generally cost a few million, whereas in Finglas they don't cost anywhere remotely near this. That would suggest Blackrock is not a "crime ridden area".

gurramok wrote: »

Huh?...Where did i say i want to live in Finglas?..I simply pointed out misleading posts quoting from SBP.

Sorry, I meant "you" as in "anyone".

Laslo · 29-10-2007 08:40PM

gurramok wrote: »

You had corrected me on the word second incidentally twice in post 244

Question now is can you prove Blackrock is safer with backup from facts or is it just hearsay like your argument on Finglas?

Huh?...Where did i say i want to live in Finglas?..I simply pointed out misleading posts quoting from SBP.

On the subject of Finglas.
To help you, we know that there has been 3 murders(all gangland) in Finglas in '07, can you back up your case with facts that it is 'not famous for crime', 'home to many criminals' and 'where murders are not totally uncommon' (does 3 count as common?)

Do you really need to hackle this poster? We all know, and I'm sure you do too, that Finglas is a fairly rough spot in comparison to most. You're simply being irritating and idiotic. Finglas is famous for crime. Whether it's just the 'media' painting a bad picture of it, who knows. Google says otherwise.

13,600 results compared to 831 results or, say, 1,780 results.

If you want any detailed statistics, I suggest you take your head out from where the sun don't shine, stop wasting your time on here calling black white and look for them yourself.

gurramok · 29-10-2007 09:11PM

dublindude wrote: »

Only an idiot could have a hard time believing Blackrock is safer than Finglas.

Please don't go down the route of everything I type must be backed up by stats and facts. That's just completely retarded.

So its hearsay then, fair enough.

dublindude wrote: »

However as I know you won't accept this, I will point out that houses in Blackrock generally cost a few million, whereas in Finglas they don't cost anywhere remotely near this. That would suggest Blackrock is not a "crime ridden area".

Yes Blackrock houses are expensive, it is after all next to the coast with nice beaches, dart on doorstep etc...nothing to indicate that a crime rate is a huge factor in price.

Laslo wrote:

Do you really need to hackle this poster? We all know, and I'm sure you do too, that Finglas is a fairly rough spot in comparison to most. You're simply being irritating and idiotic. Finglas is famous for crime. Whether it's just the 'media' painting a bad picture of it, who knows. Google says otherwise.

13,600 results compared to 831 results or, say, 1,780 results.

If you want any detailed statistics, I suggest you take your head out from where the sun don't shine, stop wasting your time on here calling black white and look for them yourself.

I'm not heckling said poster, i've corrected a few hearsays with facts on a particular area.
Yes, parts of Finglas are dodgy and so are Blackrock.

Finglas has had prominent gangland murders and they are the ones that make headlines hence the huge number of google results, thats obvious.

Why should i look for results myself?...I've done the work on the murder rate for the whole country for '07 to disprove the myth that Finglas has the worst murder rate in the country(..oops second worst..LOL)

Now, the one that supports Blackrock as safe should back it up with facts, not gossip.

AARRRGH · 29-10-2007 09:36PM

gurramok wrote: »

So its hearsay then, fair enough.

It's hearsay Blackrock has less crime than Finglas? Find me one person in Dublin who reckons Finglas is a safer area then Blackrock.

gurramok wrote: »

Yes Blackrock houses are expensive, it is after all next to the coast with nice beaches, dart on doorstep etc...

You forgot to include the fact that Blackrock is a safe, low crime area.

gurramok wrote: »

Yes, parts of Finglas are dodgy and so are Blackrock.

Blackrock does not have a single dodgy area. I grew up there and know the place well.

gurramok wrote: »

Finglas has had prominent gangland murders and they are the ones that make headlines hence the huge number of google results, thats obvious.

All you've proven so far is Finglas is not #1 for murders in Ireland. It is in joint second!

I'm actually kind of depressed that you think there is no link between murders happening in Finglas and perhaps Finglas being a dodgy area.

Laslo · 29-10-2007 09:49PM

gurramok wrote: »

I'm not heckling said poster, i've corrected a few hearsays with facts on a particular area.

Finglas isn't safer than Blackrock. I can tell you that from personal, extensive experience. Having lived in one and gone to school in another for many years. Stop being pedantic.

gurramok wrote: »

Yes, parts of Finglas are dodgy and so are Blackrock.

I don't know anywhere in Blackrock that even comes anywhere close to being as dodgy as a lot of parts of Finglas West. Stop talking crap.

gurramok wrote: »

Finglas has had prominent gangland murders and they are the ones that make headlines hence the huge number of google results, thats obvious.

Right, whereas all the slayings in Blackrock and Malahide don't get much air-time, is that what you're saying? It's just one big conspiracy against Finglas, isn't it? :rolleyes:

gurramok wrote: »

Why should i look for results myself?...I've done the work on the murder rate for the whole country for '07 to disprove the myth that Finglas has the worst murder rate in the country(..oops second worst..LOL)

I have no idea which area has the highest murder rate (you'll see I wasn't involved in this debate back then) but I'm not overly surprised that it's not Finglas. I'd have guessed Cabra maybe? Maybe somewhere in Limerick. Who knows? Who cares? The fact is that Finglas is a rough place and a lot of crime occurs there. The fact that you're comparing the crime rate in Finglas to Blackrock is, as the other poster put it, retarded.

gurramok wrote: »

Now, the one that supports Blackrock as safe should back it up with facts, not gossip.

Well I can back it up with extensive life experience, a vast array of anicdotes and, well, a non-retarded way of deciphering current affairs (you know the s**t that happens on the media and everywhere we look?)

My point - stop being an idiot. Finglas is a rough, largely working class area. Blackrock is considerably more affluent less dangerous. Shut it like!

gurramok · 29-10-2007 09:54PM

dublindude wrote: »

It's hearsay Blackrock has less crime than Finglas? Find me one person in Dublin who reckons Finglas is a safer area then Blackrock.

Maybe it is, maybe it is not, many will agree and disagree based on perceptions.

dublindude wrote: »

You forgot to include the fact that Blackrock is a safe, low crime area.

Garda stats to back that up or just hearsay?

dublindude wrote: »

Blackrock does not have a single dodgy area. I grew up there and know the place well.

U sure about the former?

Bloke in work is from Blackrock, he says there are good and bad parts.
On a personal level, I do know of a family that has moved from lovely Pearse St flats to a 4 bed house in Blackrock recently, decent upstanding citizens you would agree.

dublindude wrote: »

All you've proven so far is Finglas is not #1 for murders in Ireland. It is in joint second!

Along with Clontarf and Clonmel to name 2 and we know Clontarf has houses asking for over a million euro similar to Blackrock so that disproves the link between crime rates(murder) and house prices.

dublindude wrote: »

I'm actually kind of depressed that you think there is no link between murders happening in Finglas and perhaps Finglas being a dodgy area.

Cheer up

So if there is a link, then there must be a link also to Clontarf, Clondalkin, Clonmel, Limerick, Cork and Meath as they recorded the exact same amount of murders this year.
If you had wondered, i'd live in any of those areas, would you live in any of them?

I agree that there are dodgy parts in Finglas just like there is in Blackrock, i don't agree its all dodgy in both areas if you had misunderstood what i had posted.

Laslo · 29-10-2007 10:03PM

Troll TBH

gurramok · 29-10-2007 10:05PM

Laslo wrote: »

Finglas isn't safer than Blackrock. I can tell you that from personal, extensive experience. Having lived in one and gone to school in another for many years. Stop being pedantic.

What happened, please elaborate.

Laslo wrote: »

Right, whereas all the slayings in Blackrock and Malahide don't get much air-time, is that what you're saying? It's just one big conspiracy against Finglas, isn't it? :rolleyes:

Err, biggest drug dealer was killed in Finglas last year(he was actually from Cabra but stayed in a relatives safe house) plus the innocent plumber murder at the same time hence huge media attention as it was unprecedented which leads to huge google results, getit?

Conspiracy?..dunno, i'm not defending Finglas, merely pointing out and trying to source some facts from the posters perceptions.

Laslo wrote: »

I have no idea which area has the highest murder rate (you'll see I wasn't involved in this debate back then) but I'm not overly surprised that it's not Finglas. I'd have guessed Cabra maybe? Maybe somewhere in Limerick. Who knows? Who cares? The fact is that Finglas is a rough place and a lot of crime occurs there. The fact that you're comparing the crime rate in Finglas to Blackrock is, as the other poster put it, retarded.

Err, the other poster brought up Blackrock as 'safe', i just called on the poster to prove it. (maybe with Garda stats, newpaper reports of muggings, burglaries, rapes?...i'm helping you here!)

Laslo wrote: »

Well I can back it up with extensive life experience, a vast array of anicdotes and, well, a non-retarded way of deciphering current affairs (you know the s**t that happens on the media and everywhere we look?)

Please elaborate.

Laslo wrote: »

My point - stop being an idiot. Finglas is a rough, largely working class area. Blackrock is considerably more affluent less dangerous. Shut it like!

(Look less of the personal abuse, i'm just about to hit that report button if you don't stop loike.)

So working class area = rough?

AARRRGH · 29-10-2007 11:14PM

gurramok wrote: »

So working class area = rough?

Generally, yes.

Zulu · 30-10-2007 10:19AM

dublindude wrote: »

It's hearsay Blackrock has less crime than Finglas? Find me one person in Dublin who reckons Finglas is a safer area then Blackrock.

I'm from Dublin and I believe Finglas is safer than Blackrock.

You forgot to include the fact that Blackrock is a safe, low crime area.

I disagree - prove it please.

Blackrock does not have a single dodgy area. I grew up there and know the place well.

I disagree, I was mugged there.

Zulu · 30-10-2007 10:22AM

dublindude wrote: »

Generally, yes.

Nice, a snob too. :rolleyes:

AARRRGH · 30-10-2007 11:26AM

Zulu wrote: »

Nice, a snob too. :rolleyes:

Zulu wrote: »

I'm from Dublin and I believe Finglas is safer than Blackrock.

Oh grow up... :rolleyes:

Zulu · 30-10-2007 11:37AM

dublindude wrote: »

Oh grow up... :rolleyes:

Being dismissive doesn't strengthen your already lame argument.

The simple fact of the matter is you are unable to prove your argument in any coherent fashion. You expect us to accept your points backed by nothing more than prejudice.

So either back up your stereotypical slurs with facts and prove you've formed an intelligent opinion, or admit you are basing your comments on ill-conceived here say that the cool kids advised you were true.

Terry · 30-10-2007 11:38AM

STFU, both of you.

Jumpy · 30-10-2007 11:51AM

Can we just agree Dublin is crap?

Red Hand · 30-10-2007 11:56AM

Jumpy wrote: »

Can we just agree Dublin is crap?

Yes we can. Now close this thread quick!

Rip off home prices in crime ridden areas

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