'Live line' caller murdered last night..

Tigger · 22-10-2007 05:35PM

Mordeth wrote: »

that's a nice sig image for somebody who's branding an entire section of our society as violent, agressive and worthless.

i'd like to point out that i'm not taking sides

but
"scumbags" isn't a section of soceity its a seperate soceity

and i had a quick stalk through yer posts and you mentioned jews about 6 times in the last few days not in relation to anyone in particular
mabey you should stop and apoligise for any misunderstanding
i certainly wouldn't appreciate it if i felt you were being passremarkable about my partner

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 22-10-2007 05:36PM

she's cheating on you with an taoiseach.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 22-10-2007 05:37PM

Lads give it over.

Mordeth is just trolling and trying to stir the gick.

After looking through his posts in the last hour its what he does best.

Tigger · 22-10-2007 05:38PM

Mordeth wrote: »

she's cheating on you with an taoiseach.

oh yer a troll; sorry i didn't realise
do carry on

Trojan911 · 22-10-2007 05:39PM

I listened to the news on the radio this morning and heard someone got shot. I heard the word feud and thought to myself, another pondlife scum dead, who cares, no loss to society.

I would say the same if a family member or friend died in the same circumstances as the rest of the pondlife scum that inhabits our society. They choose their paths...

I agree with Mairt, but c*cksucker should be replaced with scum pondlife as we know the deceased was just that, there is no evidence to suggest he was a c*cksucker though...

TJ911...

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 22-10-2007 05:39PM

pika! pika pi!

Poccington · 22-10-2007 05:42PM

Trojan911 wrote: »

I agree with Mairt, but c*cksucker should be replaced with scum pondlife as we know the deceased was just that, there is no evidence to suggest he was a c*cksucker though...

TJ911...

Haha very nicely done

With relation to scumbags being killed....... The more scum they get out of Finglas(By whatever means) the happier I'll be.

BanzaiBk · 22-10-2007 05:46PM

Tbh I think the OP's remarks are typical of a good portion of modern Ireland. "Honest citizens" vs. the "scumbags" and their associated families. As someone who has lost a brother I can sympathise with his family. Of course, he was not a fantastic outstanding citizen by any means but at the end of the day he was their son/brother/nephew etc. Maybe I have a more rationalised humanitarian side though. I agree with humbert when he said;

humbert wrote:

I hope that, if someone you care about gets killed as a result of organised crime, you'll remember you were in the front row sniggering when they were murdering each other.

I have no sympathy for this fellow, but I don't find a criminal gang murdering anyone funny. If you look for other examples of people finding murder agreeable because the victim belonged to a certain group you're going to find yourself in bad company. Which I think was the source of mordeth's rather ill-advised remark, not bigotry.

Mr. Ahern's comment intrigued me the most. I find it hard to believe that a substantial amount of people find casual violence per this instance acceptable.

Dinxminx · 22-10-2007 05:53PM

Although many of these people got themselves into this trouble to begin with and, in an indirect or direct way, brought it on themselves, they have families who I do feel sorry for.

I can't condone these kind of 'gangland killings', but only for that reason. (sorry if that made no sense, I'm quite tired...)

peasant · 22-10-2007 06:00PM

While scumbags killing each other off may seem like a nice, tidy 'solution' to the problem, it isn't.

Like it was said on the last word (which I sort of semi-overhaerd while driving home) these scumbags rule through fear.

The main reason why they're still out there, is because there is not enough evidence (hard solid evidence, not hearsay) to convict them.

One of the reasons why there isn't any evidence is because nobody will testify against them.

And the reason why nobody testifies against them is because everybody is afraid for their lives and those of their families.

Because these criminils have no problems with shooting members of rival gangs who are brutal, ruthless and armed.

How little problems would they have shooting the likes of you and me who are unarmed and helpless/clueless?

So long as we tolerate these gangland murders (or even quietly applaud them), the circle of fear will stay intact and these guys stay untouchable.

peasant · 22-10-2007 06:17PM

Oh and another thing ...

...sympathy for the family of the dead criminal.

Yes, I do have sympathy for their loss and I don't want to gloat or rub it in in any way, but in my opinion they have 'lost' this family menber a long time ago at the point in time when they as a family failed to prevent him from becoming a criminal.

You don't become a criminal from one day to the other, you're not born a criminal either, it's a long, steady slope down. A functioning family should be able to prevent one of their own from sliding too far down that slope.

So, harsh as that may sound, my sympathy for them is limited.

Mrs_Doyle · 22-10-2007 06:21PM

I am fairly happy for scum bags like Daly to continue wiping eachother out. One less toe rag on the streets.

Lizzykins · 22-10-2007 06:24PM

peasant wrote: »

Oh and another thing ...

...sympathy for the family of the dead criminal.

Yes, I do have sympathy for their loss and I don't want to gloat or rub it in in any way, but in my opinion they have 'lost' this family menber a long time ago at the point in time when they as a family failed to prevent him from becoming a criminal.

You don't become a criminal from one day to the other, you're not born a criminal either, it's a long, steady slope down. A functioning family should be able to prevent one of their own from sliding too far down that slope.

So, harsh as that may sound, my sympathy for them is limited.

+1

Cheeky_gal · 22-10-2007 06:45PM

How ****in disrespectful....:eek:

Terry · 22-10-2007 06:47PM

Mordeth, as I cannot infract a fellow mod, you should consider this a warning.

Nobody will mourn the loss of scumbags in 60 years time.
There is no correlation between Jewish people and scumbags in this instance and you were clearly trying to get a dig in at Mairt.

Mairt, one account is enough, thanks.

peasant · 22-10-2007 06:51PM

Cheeky_gal wrote: »

How ****in disrespectful....:eek:

Who? or what? is disrespectful?

Dudess · 22-10-2007 06:52PM

What I read is that Mordeth was drawing an analogy between Mairt gloating at this murder (of a scumbag yes, but still a murder) and a person of Nazi leanings gloating at the murder of a Jew 60 years ago. The fact that Mairt's partner is Jewish just drove it that bit further home. I really don't see how that's an attack on her religion.

It's not really comparing like with like though. Jews were murdered by Nazis for what they were. This guy was murdered for what he did.

Initially I thought "Yay! One less scumbag" (yes, even PC old me!) but r3nu4l's point about his relative was quite poignant.

tallus · 22-10-2007 07:00PM

peasant wrote: »

Oh and another thing ...

...sympathy for the family of the dead criminal.

Yes, I do have sympathy for their loss and I don't want to gloat or rub it in in any way, but in my opinion they have 'lost' this family menber a long time ago at the point in time when they as a family failed to prevent him from becoming a criminal.

You don't become a criminal from one day to the other, you're not born a criminal either, it's a long, steady slope down. A functioning family should be able to prevent one of their own from sliding too far down that slope.

So, harsh as that may sound, my sympathy for them is limited.

Totally agree with this, best post of the thread so far.

tallus · 22-10-2007 07:01PM

Dudess wrote: »

What I read is that Mordeth was drawing an analogy between Mairt gloating at this murder (of a scumbag yes, but still a murder) and a person of Nazi leanings gloating at the murder of a Jew 60 years ago. The fact that Mairt's partner is Jewish just drove it that bit further home. I really don't see how that's an attack on her religion.

It's not really comparing like with like though. Jews were murdered by Nazis for what they were. This guy was murdered for what he did.

Initially I thought "Yay! One less scumbag" (yes, even PC old me!) but r3nu4l's point about his relative was quite poignant.

+1 I thought the same too.

the boss of me · 22-10-2007 07:12PM

Let's not forget the innocent victim of this crime, the taxi driver. Apparently Daly slumped over the driver when shot and the gunman continued to pump shot into his his body.

This poor man, a father of three, will probably never drive a taxi again and is severely traumatised according to reports. He was very lucky not to suffer the same fate as Anthony Campbell.

So maybe before rejoicing in the violent murder of a gang member we should spare a thought for the innocent victims .

Dudess · 22-10-2007 07:14PM

Yeah, he's apparently in a terrible way. His cousin was on the news describing the state he's in. Poor man. But yes, it could have been worse.

gyppo · 22-10-2007 07:15PM

Dudess wrote: »

What I read is that Mordeth was drawing an analogy between Mairt gloating at this murder (of a scumbag yes, but still a murder) and a person of Nazi leanings gloating at the murder of a Jew 60 years ago. The fact that Mairt's partner is Jewish just drove it that bit further home. I really don't see how that's an attack on her religion.

It's not really comparing like with like though. Jews were murdered by Nazis for what they were. This guy was murdered for what he did.

Initially I thought "Yay! One less scumbag" (yes, even PC old me!) but r3nu4l's point about his relative was quite poignant.

Very well put together post.

While I have no sympathy for the person who was shot, I felt that the OP's post was insensitive to the deceased persons family, of whom I doubt he has any knowledge of (nor do I claim to have any, btw). The fact remains that this person was someones child or sibling - its very easy to speculate and assume things about this persons background - he's a loss to them, and they have a right to grieve with some dignity.

Dub_girl_101 · 22-10-2007 07:16PM

peasant wrote: »

Who? or what? is disrespectful?

That comment by Mairt..the very first one

"HAHAHA.
Another cocksucker gets it in the head" ....jesus...

tech77 · 22-10-2007 07:16PM

6th wrote: »

I'm pretty sure he was shot.

???
Yes I know.
It's an expression.

Mossy Monk · 22-10-2007 07:25PM

I wont cry over the death of another scumbag,

MooseJam · 22-10-2007 07:33PM

the boss of me wrote: »

Let's not forget the innocent victim of this crime, the taxi driver.

I dunno if I could ever call a taxi driver innocent

the boss of me · 22-10-2007 07:39PM

MooseJam wrote: »

I dunno if I could ever call a taxi driver innocent

That's beneath contempt

Dudess · 22-10-2007 07:46PM

Ah, After Hours gets like that.

Thank you for logging in, BossArky...

gurramok · 22-10-2007 07:51PM

peasant wrote: »

While scumbags killing each other off may seem like a nice, tidy 'solution' to the problem, it isn't.

Like it was said on the last word (which I sort of semi-overhaerd while driving home) these scumbags rule through fear.

The main reason why they're still out there, is because there is not enough evidence (hard solid evidence, not hearsay) to convict them.

One of the reasons why there isn't any evidence is because nobody will testify against them.

And the reason why nobody testifies against them is because everybody is afraid for their lives and those of their families.

Because these criminils have no problems with shooting members of rival gangs who are brutal, ruthless and armed.

How little problems would they have shooting the likes of you and me who are unarmed and helpless/clueless?

So long as we tolerate these gangland murders (or even quietly applaud them), the circle of fear will stay intact and these guys stay untouchable.

Well said Peasant, if only Bertie thought like you:)..thats the root of the problem you described.

You'd want to be on a suicide mission to testify against a gunman in your community these days.

There is a reason why 85%+ of few hundred gangland murders remain unsolved in this country in the last 10 years, peasant just described that reason.

Now its up to the authorities to provide real witness protection and trial by non-jury to put these murderers away.
When i say murderers, i think of the innocent victims of all this mayhem(plumber, coolock partygoer, car salesman in Walkinstown and they are just the ones who died nevermind the countless traumitised ones like the taxi driver last night etc)

SimpleSam06 · 22-10-2007 07:54PM

Mordeth wrote: »

you give your moral compass an inch, it'll take a mile

once you start accepting ideas like 'who cares if they get killed, they're scum' it's not that slippery a slope to that idea morphing into other less desireable ones.

On the contrary I find that while the killing of scumbags causes me to lose no sleep whatsoever, if someone was to start randomly killing say, for example, black people innocent of any crime, that would upset me greatly.

So its not a slippery slope, and I'll just point out that the slippery slope argument is one of the most commonly used to cover a persons tracks when they are acting the prick.

'Live line' caller murdered last night..

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