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Oscar Wilde & Spike Milligan: Irish or British?

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    #32
    leninbenjamin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,983 ✭✭✭leninbenjamin


    Gauge wrote: »
    Haha, I'd forgotten about the tendency to claim Colin Farrell as British:

    KATE THORNTON: Now lets talk about Colin because in the UK he’s become the man of the moment.

    SAMUEL L.JACKSON: Really? Only in the UK?

    KT: Well everywhere but we kind of claim him as our own because he’s from Ireland.

    SLJ: You can’t claim him because he’s from Ireland.

    KT: Well we do because it’s close by. (laughter)

    SLJ: Ok. That’s the source of all the conflict over there. You people always claiming the Irish as yours. We got a little problem just like that here called slavery but that’s ok we don’t need to talk about that so lets go. (more laughter)

    LOL i spend ages trying to remember that when i saw this thread first!! it was hilarious to watch.


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    #33
    Terry
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    Hagar wrote: »
    Am I right in thinking that anybody who's parent(s) were born in Ireland prior to 1/1/1949 can claim British citizenship by descent ie child of a British subject?

    That would cover a huge chunk of the population if it were true.
    I don't know about that.

    I know people who themselves were born prior to that date are entitled to a British passport. Not sure about their children.

    If it is the case, then I'm entitled to one.


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    #34
    [Deleted User]
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    Gauge wrote: »
    Haha, I'd forgotten about the tendency to claim Colin Farrell as British:

    KATE THORNTON: Now lets talk about Colin because in the UK he’s become the man of the moment.

    SAMUEL L.JACKSON: Really? Only in the UK?

    KT: Well everywhere but we kind of claim him as our own because he’s from Ireland.

    SLJ: You can’t claim him because he’s from Ireland.

    KT: Well we do because it’s close by. (laughter)

    SLJ: Ok. That’s the source of all the conflict over there. You people always claiming the Irish as yours. We got a little problem just like that here called slavery but that’s ok we don’t need to talk about that so lets go. (more laughter)

    What chammel was this interview on?Is it real?


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    #35
    purple'n'gold
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    Hagar wrote: »
    Am I right in thinking that anybody who's parent(s) were born in Ireland prior to 1/1/1949 can claim British citizenship by descent ie child of a British subject?

    That would cover a huge chunk of the population if it were true.

    Don't know if this answers the question or not.
    http://www.castlebar.ie/board/0403/65688.htm


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    #36
    baztard
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    They're Irish when their gay and depressed. They're British when their funny and famous.


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    #37
    Fratton Fred
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    Dimplesgirl wrote: »
    The British always say things like that - claiming people are theirs.
    Barry McGuigan for example : Whenever he won a fight it was a proud day for Britain, but whenever he lost it was a sad day for Ireland. Sure, apparantly Colin Farrell is British according to one of those ridiculous 'fabulous life of' type shows !

    Bobby Kennedy.

    Nuff said.


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    #38
    Fratton Fred
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    baztard wrote: »
    They're Irish when their gay and depressed. They're British when their funny and famous.

    when they fight for the British Army, they're traitors and west brits, when they win wittiest Briton awards they're Irish.

    Go Figure:D


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    #39
    ejmaztec
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    I expect that when St Patrick was around, the Christians adopted him as Irish but the pagans regarded him as a British bast*rd!

    How times have changed, not:D


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    #40
    Ponster
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    Terry wrote: »
    I don't know about that.

    I know people who themselves were born prior to that date are entitled to a British passport. Not sure about their children.

    If it is the case, then I'm entitled to one.

    AFAIK you are entitled to one but one (or both?) of your parents would have to apply for British citizenship first.

    This was once suggested to me by a UK/French Defence company who said that with an Irish passport I'd be very lucky to get a job with them in the timeframe alloted (due to background checks - my dad was in the Irish army) but if my dad became British then I could get a British passport and avoid all the trouble.


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    #41
    purple'n'gold
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    baztard wrote: »
    They're Irish when their gay and depressed. They're British when their funny and famous.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but there is only one gay person in the world, he lives in a village in Wales.


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    #42
    Tar.Aldarion
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    Are people born in Australia British?


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    #43
    Mizu_Ger
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    Gauge wrote: »
    Haha, I'd forgotten about the tendency to claim Colin Farrell as British:

    KATE THORNTON: Now lets talk about Colin because in the UK he’s become the man of the moment.

    SAMUEL L.JACKSON: Really? Only in the UK?

    KT: Well everywhere but we kind of claim him as our own because he’s from Ireland.

    SLJ: You can’t claim him because he’s from Ireland.

    KT: Well we do because it’s close by. (laughter)

    SLJ: Ok. That’s the source of all the conflict over there. You people always claiming the Irish as yours. We got a little problem just like that here called slavery but that’s ok we don’t need to talk about that so lets go. (more laughter)

    Was this interview in print/radio or TV? If its TV is it on youtube?


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    #44
    humanji
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    Mizu_Ger wrote: »
    Was this interview in print/radio or TV? If its TV is it on youtube?
    Why don't you find out?


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    #45
    robinph
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    Tar.Aldarion wrote: »
    Are people born in Australia British?
    They became "independant" a lot earlier I think didn't they, 190? I think?


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    #46
    Fratton Fred
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    robinph wrote: »
    They became "independant" a lot earlier I think didn't they, 190? I think?

    Australia is not as attractive to the Brits, so it was let go sooner.

    Sydney is too far to go for a stag weekend:D


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    #47
    Fizman
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    Both Wilde and Milligan are Polish.....duh!!


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    #48
    Jesus Wept
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    DublinWriter wrote: »
    Yes. The 1801 Act of Union brought England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales under the banner and flag of the United Kingdom, the Union Jack.

    Under the act, Ireland was renamed 'West Briton', and that's were the derogatory term 'West Brit' comes from.

    So technically, Wilde was both Irish and British, in the way that we today can claim to be both Irish and European.

    When Wilde went to Oxford, he tried to disguise the hints of his Irish accent. His mother was proud of being Irish and used to call him "my brave Irish boy" during his later trial.

    You couldn't miss the point more if you tried.

    I mean, you believe that the people of Ireland were British during this time and magically changed back once we became a republic? Life doesn't work like that.

    What did the people consider themselves? I imagine some would of said Brits and the majority would of said Irish.


    What you're saying is akin too:


    [hypothetical]

    Take a carton of milk. Change the label so it reads 'Orange Juice' and voila, it's orange juice!!! :rolleyes::rolleyes:

    It's not, it's still milk, it's white, its milky, it comes from a cow, it's still milk, and if were capable of speaking for itself, and you asked it, it would tell you so.

    [/hypothetical]


    Do I understand why Wilde is reported as British? Yes, do I agree with it? Not really, you would have to ask him what he considered himself, if it were possible, imo.


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    #49
    purple'n'gold
    Registered Users Posts: 838 ✭✭✭purple'n'gold


    There is a teenage boy somewhere in Mexico at this very moment wishing he was an American living in a penthouse in New York. Does this make him a citizen of the United States?


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    #50
    ejmaztec
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    purplengold wrote: »
    There is a teenage boy somewhere in Mexico at this very moment wishing he was an American living in a penthouse in New York. Does this make him a citizen of the United States?

    Depends on whether he has any trouble getting his suitcases full of cocaine across the border.


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    #51
    baztard
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    when they fight for the British Army, they're traitors and west brits, when they win wittiest Briton awards they're Irish.

    Go Figure:D

    No they were Irish before and after some magazine or whatever said they were witty. Go figure that lad


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    #52
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Ireland was part of the UK, not the British Empire and therefore the Irish were entitled to a passport of the United Kingdon of Great Britain and Ireland.

    despite what it may appear, not everyone in Pakistan, India, Australia, Jamaica etc are entitled to UK passports.


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    #53
    Fratton Fred
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    dodgyme wrote: »
    no the heart!

    I'd agree with that.


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    #54
    Fratton Fred
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    baztard wrote: »
    No they were Irish before and after some magazine or whatever said they were witty. Go figure that lad

    All those years living in Ireland must have made Spike the wit that he is. I wonder if Boards.india is having a debate about one of their sons being called Irish:D


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    #55
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
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    are the arabs that live behind the israeli border palestinians, or israeli?


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    #56
    boneless
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    My last word here... when Arthur Wesley, born in Dublin, was called an Irishman, he retorted by stating that just because one was born in a stable, it does not mean he's a horse...


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    #57
    Fratton Fred
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    boneless wrote: »
    My last word here... when Arthur Wesley, born in Dublin, was called an Irishman, he retorted by stating that just because one was born in a stable, it does not mean he's a horse...


    doesn't make him Jesus either, which is probaby what he was referring to.


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    #58
    TheIrishGrover
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    Hydroquinone wrote: »
    In Oscar Wilde's lifetime, Ireland was British, surely? So by that token, he was Irish and British, same as a person in Scotland today is Scottish and British or someone from Cardiff is Welsh as well as British.

    As for Milligan, he had the choice and chose Irish, as has been said.


    Well, by THAT logic then Ghandi would have been a great British person. I'm sure he'd appreciate that


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    #59
    DublinWriter
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    Ponster wrote: »
    Are Irish people born in Ireland before 1922 entitled to British passports ?

    Can you have dual Irish/British nationality ?
    If either parent was born in Ireland before 1947.

    You can have dual nationality.


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    #60
    boneless
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    doesn't make him Jesus either, which is probaby what he was referring to.


    No... the old Iron Duke just took exception to being called Irish. Didn't stop him collecting all the rents in his estates in Meath though...:p


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    robinph
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    TheIrishGrover wrote: »
    Well, by THAT logic then Ghandi would have been a great British person. I'm sure he'd appreciate that
    Nope. India was a country within the British Empire, but Ireland was part of the United Kingdom at the time.


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