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Jehovah's Witness and Blood Transfusion

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  • #32
    eth0_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭eth0_


    "Ms. K"?
    SO SHE WASN'T EVEN MARRIED?
    What a dirty whore! An affront to her religion!!!!!!!11


  • #33
    ziggy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭ziggy


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  • #34
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,305 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    kittenkiller wrote:
    If they're her religious beliefs and she had expressed them prior to the procedure then they shouldn't've gone ahead with it.
    Her decision, if she thinks that the transfusion isn't worth her chance to everlasting peace people should respect that even if we think it's f*uckin nuts and irresponsible.
    I think she changed from Catholic to Jehovah during the pregnancy. When it came out at the last minute, the Hospital got a court order to proceed.

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  • #35
    dame
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭dame


    Brainwashing cults. Putting people's lives in jeopardy because they insist people follow their way or get pushed out. Whoever is in charge of those crowd should really do some soul searching and imagine if it was one of their own family who was about to die/be saved by a blood transfusion. See if the took such a rigid stance on the issue then.


  • #36
    leninbenjamin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,983 ✭✭✭leninbenjamin


    Jehova's Witnesses - successfully making people laugh since 1876


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  • #37
    slade_x
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 1,428 Mod ✭✭✭✭slade_x


    The article reads 80pc, is that a new abbreviation for percent why not use %

    I dont know of any unit of measurement abbreviated to 'pc'


    This thread belongs in the religion section

    I'm not a religious person at all, but gotta say some of the religion bashing comments are really over the top


  • #38
    leninbenjamin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,983 ✭✭✭leninbenjamin


    slade_x wrote:
    I'm not a religious person at all, but gotta say some of the religion bashing comments are really over the top

    in fairness though the religious make loads of comments bashing the non religious all the time without anyone kicking up a fuss.... why can't we who aren't religious do the same?


  • #39
    Fanny Cradock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,240 ✭✭✭✭Fanny Cradock


    curiousxxx1 wrote:
    She doesn't even speak english.... So she must have a middle man acting on her request... TAX PAYERS MONEY!!!!!! FFS

    Why I never! Availing of legal aid. OUTRAGEOUS :mad: :mad: :mad:

    That aside, I can't see her garnering any public support for this.


  • #40
    Crucifix
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,437 ✭✭✭Crucifix


    Seanies32 wrote:
    I think she changed from Catholic to Jehovah during the pregnancy. When it came out at the last minute, the Hospital got a court order to proceed.
    If they had a court order does she have any legal 'leg to stand on'?


  • #41
    aidan24326
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭aidan24326


    Senna's suggestion is the best I've heard yet, rather than giving her compensation, offer to take the blood back. After all she has been 'raped' by this transfusion of blood so the least we could do is remove the dirty stuff from her body.

    It's easy to say they should have let her die (in a way I wish they had she'd be no loss) but doctors are bound first and foremost by the hippocratic oath and someone 'expressing a wish' be it religious or otherwise holds no water legally. This blood transfusion issue with jehova's witnesses comes up time and again and a definite legal ruling should be made on it for once and for all. Doctors are put in an impossible situation.

    When she loses this case (as I really hope she will) I'd put her on the first plane back to where she came from.
    slade_x wrote:
    I'm not a religious person at all, but gotta say some of the religion bashing comments are really over the top

    No they absolutely are not. This only highlights the utter stupidity of some religious beliefs and in this case puts doctors in a horrible no-win situation, where they actually get sued for doing their job and apparently doing it very well for this woman since she's still alive.

    That said, everyone's life is their own and if a jehovah's witness wants to let themself die over some idiotic piece of religious dogma then be my guest. Let them die. They should never have the right to let their child die though, should be state legal protection for children in these situations.


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  • #42
    Mossy Monk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    aidan24326 wrote:
    This only highlights the utter stupidity of some religious beliefs

    No more stupid than a man coming back from the dead and being raised into heaven.


  • #43
    eroo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,084 ✭✭✭eroo


    its fcukin ridiculous,they saved her life and for that shes suing them!!!!!!
    >:(


  • #44
    jellie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,503 ✭✭✭✭jellie


    dame wrote:
    Putting people's lives in jeopardy because they insist people follow their way or get pushed out. Whoever is in charge of those crowd should really do some soul searching and imagine if it was one of their own family who was about to die/be saved by a blood transfusion. See if the took such a rigid stance on the issue then.

    My bfs family are jehovahs witnesses & while he doesnt practice anymore he still thinks in their terms in relation to some things, including blood transfusions. We've had plenty of 'heated discussions' over this, particularly because he said to me if hes ever in an accident to make sure its known he doesnt want blood transfusions. In some ways I can see fair enough its his own choice, but would he rather DIE than take blood. & what about the people that get left behind. would his mother really rather see him die than accept a blood transfusion..? When i asked for the exact reason behind it, he gave me something about something said in the bible. I cant even remember it now. But i remember thinking that it wasnt a big enough reason to not give/take blood.

    Yes its a personal choice but this choice generally doesnt just affect the person making the choice. With this woman, what would have happened to her baby if she didnt get the transfusion? Was it just to save her or the baby too?


  • #45
    besty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,010 ✭✭✭besty


    SimpleSam06 wrote:
    Thats a good point, I think social services should be looking closely at the ability of this woman to raise a child, as she will almost certainly refuse that child medical assistance when they need it. It would be enough for me to declare a parent unfit!
    The court reads into Art.41/42 of the constitution in such a circumstance. If the child's life is under threat, the court will intervene to order the life saving treatment. These exact facts were at the fore in the "Baby Janice" case some years ago.


  • #46
    curiousxxx1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 165 ✭✭curiousxxx1


    Sorry Sara84, i am not picking on your bf but his belief and others who are in feel the same is UTTER RUBBISH
    I was sick 3 years ago and i needed blood transfusion, whoever’s blood that i used i thank them greatly..
    People die and they refuse to donate their organs... These organs would decay and be of no use, why not give it to someone who has the will to live... It puzzles me, everyday people die and they/family refuse to give their organs and it's unfair... You would need to be in a situation for you to actually understand what i am saying.
    And as for JH and all other beliefs... when it comes to life or death would you die for what you believe in knowing that there are medical treatments that can save you?


  • #47
    Pepe LeFrits
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    eroo wrote:
    its fcukin ridiculous,they saved her life and for that shes suing them!!!!!!
    >:(
    Holy ****, really?


  • #48
    jellie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,503 ✭✭✭✭jellie


    curiousxxx1 wrote:
    Sorry Sara84, i am not picking on your bf but his belief and others who are in feel the same is UTTER RUBBISH
    I was sick 3 years ago and i needed blood transfusion, whoever’s blood that i used i thank them greatly..
    People die and they refuse to donate their organs... These organs would decay and be of no use, why not give it to someone who has the will to live... It puzzles me, everyday people die and they/family refuse to give their organs and it's unfair... You would need to be in a situation for you to actually understand what i am saying.
    And as for JH and all other beliefs... when it comes to life or death would you die for what you believe in knowing that there are medical treatments that can save you?

    I disagree with him anyway. I give blood. It came up with his younger bro/sisters recently & they asked me had i given blood & i could see the shock on their faces when I said yes (theyre ages 9-12, not really at a point where theyd question their religion so probably thought i was going straight to hell).


  • #49
    slade_x
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 1,428 Mod ✭✭✭✭slade_x


    leninbenjamin wrote:
    in fairness though the religious make loads of comments bashing the non religious all the time without anyone kicking up a fuss.... why can't we who aren't religious do the same?

    Any irrational comments like that are aimed to try and defend their religious beliefs.

    What do the non-religious have to defend, Common sense, a rational/ logical progression of thinking.

    I cant say all but some religious people i have met seem petty in their defense of their beliefs by bashing others.

    Most non-religious people i know just dont care enough about the subject to stoop to such a petty level


    Originally Posted by slade_x
    I'm not a religious person at all, but gotta say some of the religion bashing comments are really over the top
    aidan24326 wrote:
    No they absolutely are not. This only highlights the utter stupidity of some religious beliefs

    So you dont think a comment like:
    Actually I almost wish more cults and religions refused medical attention for their children, sounds like a splendid excuse to remove the lot of em.
    Is a bit over the top

    Condemning children for the belief's of their parents. I was born and baptised a Catholic. i am in no way a catholic anymore and have no affiliation with anyother religion, and wouldnt want any

    Its probably fair to say a good majority of athiests are actually born into religion. Its probably why their athiests, for some it just makes total sense when they're surrounded by seriously dilusional individuals

    However I dont refer to myself as athiest, i just dont care enough about such labels. I'm me, and thats all you need to know


  • #50
    aidan24326
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭aidan24326


    Mossy Monk wrote:
    No more stupid than a man coming back from the dead and being raised into heaven.

    True, but in this case the belief (that blood transfusions are not allowed) is something that will lead to your death if followed through in an emergency medical situation, so it's a bit different.

    sar84 wrote:
    My bfs family are jehovahs witnesses & while he doesnt practice anymore he still thinks in their terms in relation to some things, including blood transfusions. We've had plenty of 'heated discussions' over this, particularly because he said to me if hes ever in an accident to make sure its known he doesnt want blood transfusions. In some ways I can see fair enough its his own choice, but would he rather DIE than take blood. & what about the people that get left behind. would his mother really rather see him die than accept a blood transfusion..? When i asked for the exact reason behind it, he gave me something about something said in the bible. I cant even remember it now. But i remember thinking that it wasnt a big enough reason to not give/take blood.

    Damn right it isn't. If he'd rather die (and leave you behind) because of some vague references in a totally discredited book (The Old Testament) then he's a fool and a selfish fool at that.

    EDIT: slade_x I would certainly never condemn children for the beliefs of their parents no, and the comment you referred to above is a bit OTT yes.


  • #51
    thefinalstage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭thefinalstage


    Whats the difference between that woman getting a blood transfusion and getting semen inside her from having sex?


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  • #52
    K-9
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    Crucifix wrote:
    If they had a court order does she have any legal 'leg to stand on'?
    She wouldn't have had a leg to stand on without the court order! ;)
    Wah, wah, wah!

    The Judge made a reasoned decision at the time. I'd say they are appealing the order.

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  • #53
    Sinfonia
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses_and_blood
    weird


  • #54
    ryanairzer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 149 ✭✭ryanairzer


    I'm with the woman. Modern society is much too intolerant of religion. I remember this one time I shot my mother because I discovered I was a bastard child and they tried to throw me in jail wtf.


  • #55
    DemonOfTheFall
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    If she wins there should be a queue of people lining up to relieve her of 80% of her bloods by slash-hook and hatchet.


  • #56
    Fanny Cradock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,240 ✭✭✭✭Fanny Cradock


    aidan24326 wrote:
    Damn right it isn't. If he'd rather die (and leave you behind) because of some vague references in a totally discredited book (The Old Testament) then he's a fool and a selfish fool at that.

    Oh please come to the Christianity forum with that :)


  • #57
    Cathy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 594 ✭✭✭Cathy


    slade_x wrote:
    I dont know of any unit of measurement abbreviated to 'pc'


    Completely off topic, but there is the parsec. I doubt that's what they were referring to, though. :)


  • #58
    SimpleSam06
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,048 ✭✭✭SimpleSam06


    slade_x wrote:
    So you dont think a comment like:

    Is a bit over the top

    Condemning children for the belief's of their parents.
    I think you missed the point, which was about saving children from the beliefs of their parents.


  • #59
    SimpleSam06
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,048 ✭✭✭SimpleSam06


    thelastangryman wrote:
    Whats the difference between that woman getting a blood transfusion and getting semen inside her from having sex?
    One of those involved a hell of a lot more booze than the other?


  • #60
    looksee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,717 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    From what I heard on a news programme the woman signed into the hospital as Roman Catholic She had no english and at the time of the birth another woman was translating for her, and the hospital staff were not satisfied that the patient understood the situation, or that the translator was interpreting the womans wishes accurately.


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  • #61
    RandolphEsq
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    It seems a fairly open-and-shut case; by going to the hospital she agrees to be treated according to the Catholic rules set out by the hospital. One of the rules says doctors must do all in their power to prevent a patient from dying, She agreed to those terms so has no basis to claim


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