Rip off home prices in crime ridden areas

fletch · 04-10-2007 02:16PM

digitally-yours wrote:

Excuse me. Are you serious.

Would you like your child to grow up in that area ?
I hope you don't expect me to answer this.

Well the types of crime/anti-social behaviour certainly differs. I'm from an area that wouldn't be regarded as "crime ridden" however my boyfriend is from an area that would be described as such. I've never heard of a car/house being broken into in his estate whereas quite the contrary in my estate. On the flip side, every day I drive in his estate I see people sitting around doing nothing knocking back cans of beer, however I never see this in my estate. Which is better I'm not quite sure.

SheroN · 04-10-2007 02:19PM

Who do you think is stealing the cars? Surely not the lads standing around drinking cans?

Slow Motion · 04-10-2007 02:23PM

SheroN wrote:

I can't believe there are people looking for evidence that the crime rate is higher in Finglas as opposed to Ternure.

Can someone provide me figures show that Iraq is any less safe than Ireland?

Read the post I quoted, I simply asked for the data to back up their statment otherwise it is just an opinion and not a well informed one. If I was to state to you that Iraq was less safe than Ireland then you would be quite right to ask me to provide the relevant statistics to support my argument and if I couldn't you would be right to point that out. What's your problem with that ?

fletch · 04-10-2007 02:32PM

SheroN wrote:

Who do you think is stealing the cars? Surely not the lads standing around drinking cans?

I'm pretty sure they are the guys stealin cars/robbing houses(I know I couldn't afford to be standing around all day doing nothing other than drinking).....however they don't rob from their own estates. I never actually see them causing trouble while drinking....I don't know which way I'm swaying, just providing my observations.

SheroN · 04-10-2007 02:36PM

If people were to apply your logic to every day life. Simple everyday tasks would take about 100 times longer to complete. ....

For example, purchasing a jar of coffee:

The coffee says made in Brazil Mr. Shopkeeper, but untill you can show me undeniable proof of how the coffee was manufactured in Brazil, then I will disregard what you're saying.....as it is merely an opinion.....

It's an internet forumn, yon can't expect people to go digging up facts and figures to back up every single point they make . Especially about things that are pretty clear cut.

Nevyn · 04-10-2007 02:38PM

House prices are based of location and with most of finglas being less then a 30mins bus journey to the city centre it is a prime location.

There are developers who are changing the area a lot but it will take time.
It certainly is not as bad as what it was like in the 80s when i was growing up there but there is a lot more on the news about the place and with the type of sensational reporting that goes on all the good work, community and the positives of living there are never reported.

Slow Motion · 04-10-2007 02:44PM

SheroN wrote:

It's an internet forumn, yon can't expect people to go digging up facts and figures to back up every single point they make . Especially about things that are pretty clear cut.

Your kidding right ? The internet is a pretty good place to go digging up facts to support your argument, government sites such as the CSO etc. And when I'm buying coffee I tend to look for the fair trade sign which does verify that the coffee was bought from a reliable and fair source.

SheroN · 04-10-2007 02:51PM

Is there doubt in your mind as to whether Finglas is less safe than Ternure? As you hinting at that it might not be?

AARRRGH · 04-10-2007 02:53PM

Look: We all know Finglas is well dodgy compared to Terenure. Certainly it's not a very pretty place to live, and there are lots of "scumbags". However I would agree it's probably no problem to live there "crime free" depending on what estate you live in.

Back to the original point: If you choose to pay X to live in an area which is dodgy, you have no one to blame but yourself.

For the record, I lived on Blessington Street (top of O'Connell Street) for two years but never experienced any crime. However, I saw it going on all around me. Hence it was a crime ridden area full of scumbags.

Degsy · 04-10-2007 02:54PM

I think the OP's point is actually a whinge at the fact that they cant afford any kind of property anywhere.They feel that areas that *they* consider to be beneath them as a place to live should be available to them at a knock-down price.I live in finglas and the amount of development thats going on at the moment is unreal.The houses and apartments are finished to a very high standard,you're 20 minutes from the City Centre,access to the airport,m50,shops,QBC..the lot.Obviously the prices arent quite what they would be in terenure or donnybrook but what building is going on out there?People would be and ARE happy to live in an area that ticks so many boxes and the prices are going to reflect that when people stop talking out of thier bloody arses and wise up.

ntlbell · 04-10-2007 02:57PM

SheroN wrote:

Is there doubt in your mind as to whether Finglas is less safe than Ternure? As you hinting at that it might not be?

What is safe tho?

Your person?

Your Car?

Your house?

If i live in Ternure I'm more worried about having my house broken into than I am in finglas.

If i live in Ternure I'm more worried about having my car stolen than I am in Finglas.

If I was walking through both areas late at night there's as much chance in both areas of something "bad" happening.

these are my opinions i don't have link after link after link of facts.

What are you basing the fact that terenure is SAFER on?

Rob_l · 04-10-2007 03:00PM

ntlbell wrote:

What is safe tho?

Your person?

Your Car?

Your house?

If i live in Ternure I'm more worried about having my house broken into than I am in finglas.

If i live in Ternure I'm more worried about having my car stolen than I am in Finglas.

If I was walking through both areas late at night there's as much chance in both areas of something "bad" happening.

these are my opinions i don't have link after link after link of facts.

What are you basing the fact that terenure is SAFER on?

maybe you could base it on crime statistics

AARRRGH · 04-10-2007 03:02PM

I've been to Finglas. It's a horrible hole. There are skangers everywhere. I have grown up expecting skangers to do bad things. After all, people with college degrees rarely rob banks or steal cars. Skangers don't have college degrees.

Finglas has loads of council houses. Terenure has very few council houses. It's not unheard of that criminals have a tendency to be from council houses.

Ask any Garda which is the nicer area, Finglas or Terenure, and he'll laugh.

ntlbell · 04-10-2007 03:05PM

Rob_l wrote:

maybe you could base it on crime statistics

you could indeed.

So lets have a look at the amount of cars stolen in both areas.

how do we know who stole the car?

is a car stolen in terneure by a two guys from finglas a finglas statistic or a terneure one?

house break ins? who did the crime? where's the statistic?

If we take tallaght a poppulation of over 180k one of the biggest housing estates in europe much bigger target a lot more cars a lot more houses

per head?

do you own a house ? did you purchase it based on these statistics? if you don't will these statistics come into your purchase?

Rob_l · 04-10-2007 03:08PM

ntlbell wrote:

you could indeed.

So lets have a look at the amount of cars stolen in both areas.

how do we know who stole the car?

is a car stolen in terneure by a two guys from finglas a finglas statistic or a terneure one?

house break ins? who did the crime? where's the statistic?

If we take tallaght a poppulation of over 180k one of the biggest housing estates in europe much bigger target a lot more cars a lot more houses

per head?

do you own a house ? did you purchase it based on these statistics? if you don't will these statistics come into your purchase?

it doesn't matter who stole it and where they are from

the statistics for each area is what we need and I believe you will find a higher rate of crime in finglas nay I know you will

Degsy · 04-10-2007 03:10PM

dublindude wrote:

I've been to Finglas. It's a horrible hole. There are skangers everywhere. I have grown up expecting skangers to do bad things. After all, people with college degrees rarely rob banks or steal cars. Skangers don't have college degrees.

Finglas has loads of council houses. Terenure has very few council houses. It's not unheard of that criminals have a tendency to be from council houses.

Ask any Garda which is the nicer area, Finglas or Terenure, and he'll laugh.

Ever lived in an area that students live?These people are training to get college degrees,tend not to live in "council areas" and yet will quite happily kick the mirrors off your cars when coming home from the pub.I work in a place where people you call "skangers" train to earn college degrees,they work as hard as thier more "privileged" contempories and in many cases are much less obnoxious people.People who commit crime are scumbags no matter what socio-economic niche they occupy.

04-10-2007 03:11PM

Absolute snobbery of the highest order.

Finglas = skangers.........eh?
To American people, Irish = Alcoholic wife beater. So, Dublin dude, how are your knuckles from punching women around?

AARRRGH · 04-10-2007 03:13PM

There's a bit of living in denial going on here.

Anyone with an interest in Irish crime (such as me) knows a very large percentage of Irish criminals come from Finglas.

People who are skangers or come from poverty or are lacking education are (generally) the people who commit crimes... it's not snobbery to think this. It's called living in the real world.

ntlbell · 04-10-2007 03:14PM

Rob_l wrote:

it doesn't matter who stole it and where they are from

the statistics for each area is what we need and I believe you will find a higher rate of crime in finglas nay I know you will

I would wager that in the stats for stolen cars

For the whole of Dublin Finglas wouldn't be in the top 5.

For house break ins same thing.

for generally nitty anti social behaviour you may find it up there.

The real criminals in this country are not in finglas. they're in foxrock....blackrock....terenure....rathfarnham...rathgar......

:rolleyes:

hopalong85 · 04-10-2007 03:15PM

Slow Motion wrote:

If you're going to say that then provide the statistics otherwise your post is meaningless at worst anecdotal at best.

I can only presume you aren't serious? I'm not sure if such statistics are available and if they are i have absolutely no idea how one would go about obtaining them. Are they really necessary though? My opinion is that Finglas is a more dangerous area than Terenure, and one i would feel far less safe in. I presume you disagree with this? As i've said i don't know any official crime statistics for these areas but i'd be willing to bet almost anything that Finglas has the higher crime rates.

AARRRGH · 04-10-2007 03:16PM

ntlbell wrote:

The real criminals in this country are not in finglas. they're in foxrock....blackrock....terenure....rathfarnham...rathgar......

:rolleyes:

LOL. This is just getting really silly now.

ntlbell · 04-10-2007 03:18PM

dublindude wrote:

There's a bit of living in denial going on here.

Anyone with an interest in Irish crime (such as me) knows a very large percentage of Irish criminals come from Finglas.

People who are skangers or come from poverty or are lacking education are (generally) the people who commit crimes... it's not snobbery to think this. It's called living in the real world.

and people with degree's from non council estates who own legitimate buisness's have the brains to launder money?

can get up millions of euro's to bring in coke?

live in terenure?

scumbagness has very little to do with education my friend!
LOL

ntlbell · 04-10-2007 03:18PM

dublindude wrote:

LOL. This is just getting really silly now.

where did the general live?

hutch?

the list is endless....

AARRRGH · 04-10-2007 03:22PM

ntlbell wrote:

and people with degree's from non council estates who own legitimate buisness's have the brains to launder money?

can get up millions of euro's to bring in coke?

live in terenure?

scumbagness has very little to do with education my friend!
LOL

I think it is fair to say we are not talking about white collar crime. Yes everyone knows it requires a brain and possibly an education to launder money.

I would imagine most people, including me, are talking about anti-social behavior, vandalism, getting robbed, getting beaten up, cars being lit on fire, etc.

Colonel Sanders · 04-10-2007 03:23PM

dublindude wrote:

Anyone with an interest in Irish crime (such as me) knows a very large percentage of Irish criminals come from Finglas.

People who are skangers or come from poverty or are lacking education are (generally) the people who commit crimes... it's not snobbery to think this. It's called living in the real world.

What pecentage? Define 'large'.

Btw also could you please define 'skanger'?

I hate people who call all working class people skangers. My girlfriend bought a house in Finglas a few years ago. She has never had a mintes bother. In fact she's often had touble with her car etc and if any of the neighbours see this they immediately help her. How many people in the so called 'non skanger' areas do you see rushing out to help someone change a tire or start their car?

AARRRGH · 04-10-2007 03:25PM

I don't mean working class. I mean lads in tracksuits who are clearly dodgy.

Remember this topic is about "crime ridden" areas and people are trying to suggest Finglas (lots of council houses) is a "less crime ridden area" than Terenure.

Skangers are generally from council houses. They are not from Blackrock or Foxrock etc.

Yes, there are of course some scumbag idiots from Blackrock or Foxrock, but in general, there aren't criminals from these areas.

ntlbell · 04-10-2007 03:27PM

dublindude wrote:

I think it is fair to say we are not talking about white collar crime. Yes everyone knows it requires a brain and possibly an education to launder money.

I would imagine most people, including me, are talking about anti-social behavior, vandalism, getting robbed, getting beaten up, cars being lit on fire, etc.

ah ok so bringing millions of euro's worth of heroin on to the streets to kids in disadvatgaed area's can spend the day out of their mind on heroin leading to robbing some aul dears hand bag causing the sort of crime apparently your only discussing now as it suits you.

ah sure ignore the real reason, they drive there merc live in a nice estate and their kids get a nice private education there grand like it's the 14yr old celtic jersey wearing anto in finglas i want to pick on.

Colonel Sanders · 04-10-2007 03:28PM

dublindude wrote:

I don't mean working class. I mean lads in tracksuits who are clearly dodgy.

I work in an office all day and in the evening if i have nothing doing I often stick a tracksuit and runners on for lounging about. Am I a skanger? I probably look every bit as 'dodgy' as the so called scumbags you refer to but have never been in trouble or caused trouble in my life.

I am still awaiting statistics on the 'large' number of criminals from Finglas.

SheroN · 04-10-2007 03:28PM

"How many people in the so called 'non skanger' areas do you see rushing out to help someone change a tire or start their car?"

Untill you can give me facts and figures this is merely an opinion. Are you saying people in "non-skanger" areas are less helpful?

AARRRGH · 04-10-2007 03:29PM

ntlbell wrote:

ah ok so bringing millions of euro's worth of heroin on to the streets to kids in disadvatgaed area's can spend the day out of their mind on heroin leading to robbing some aul dears hand bag causing the sort of crime apparently your only discussing now as it suits you.

ah sure ignore the real reason, they drive there merc live in a nice estate and their kids get a nice private education there grand like it's the 14yr old celtic jersey wearing anto in finglas i want to pick on.

How many people are there bringing in millions of euro's worth of heroin?

A handful?

How many people commit anti-social crimes, robberies, etc.?

LOADS.

Rip off home prices in crime ridden areas

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