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When you dictate the price!

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  • #32
    Wertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,909 ✭✭✭✭Wertz


    Radiohead? They'd have to pay me to take it TBH, but it's a fine idea...I've on occasion "acquired" stuff by artists that I didn't know of and afterward felt guilty to the point of going out and buying their CD...the irony being that they only get a small % of that money anyhow.

    Bands and artists taking this up would work IMO...cutting out the big music stores and the likes of iTunes and their middlemen tactics means ultimately that you pay less for your music and that the artist receives more dividends...everyone's a winner except for the suits.


  • #33
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    two months is only five minutes in boards years.


  • #34
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    Wertz wrote:
    Radiohead? They'd have to pay me to take it TBH, but it's a fine idea...I've on occasion "acquired" stuff by artists that I didn't know of and afterward felt guilty to the point of going out and buying their CD...the irony being that they only get a small % of that money anyhow.

    Bands and artists taking this up would work IMO...cutting out the big music stores and the likes of iTunes and their middlemen tactics means ultimately that you pay less for your music and that the artist receives more dividends...everyone's a winner except for the suits.
    And then the bands get greedy. :(


  • #35
    Firetrap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,441 ✭✭✭Firetrap


    If the files have DRM on them, I'm giving the miserable sods nothing. I refuse to pay for crippled music.


  • #36
    Goodshape
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,488 ✭✭✭Goodshape


    That's true -- they haven't, as far as I know, mentioned anything about the format or DRM on the downloads.

    But I'd honestly be surprised if it's anything but good quality, DRM-free tracks. I mean it's free anyway if you want it to be free... so what's the point of DRM?


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  • #37
    Wertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,909 ✭✭✭✭Wertz


    Terry wrote:
    And then the bands get greedy. :(


    Yeah perhaps...but the only pitfall I can see is that this method really only works for established artists/bands; up and coming would not be able to afford to rely on the honour systme....but that said, we have stuff like myspace and sh*t now that enables so many bands to move up the ladder without the once essential help of a record label/company.

    Another point someone made above is the use of lossy formats that you're paying good money for....the benchmark needs to be reset on the quality of music files being sold on to the public for tidy profit...higher compression made sense a few years back when storage was at more of a premium but it's so comparatively cheap for storage and necessary bandwidth now that there's really no excuse for music download sellers to keep using it.


  • #38
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    Wertz wrote:
    Yeah perhaps...but the only pitfall I can see is that this method really only works for established artists/bands; up and coming would not be able to afford to rely on the honour systme....but that said, we have stuff like myspace and sh*t now that enables so many bands to move up the ladder without the once essential help of a record label/company.

    Another point someone made above is the use of lossy formats that you're paying good money for....the benchmark needs to be reset on the quality of music files being sold on to the public for tidy profit...higher compression made sense a few years back when storage was at more of a premium but it's so comparatively cheap for storage and necessary bandwidth now that there's really no excuse for music download sellers to keep using it.
    Yeah. Good point.
    What's DRM?


  • #39
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Terry wrote:
    Yeah. Good point.
    What's DRM?

    Digital Rights Management. It's a retriction built in to the song. It's usually used to restrict the amount f devices the song can be played on or how many times it can be copied.


  • #40
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    AlmightyCushion wrote:
    Digital Rights Management. It's a retriction built in to the song. It's usually used to restrict the amount f devices the song can be played on or how many times it can be copied.
    Ahh. Got stung with that a couple of times alright.

    Wouldn't even let me re-encode the song at a higher bit rate.


  • #41
    Firetrap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,441 ✭✭✭Firetrap


    DRM is the progeny of Satan. If you buy a song off iTunes, you're not getting an mp3 but an m4p file which will only play on an iPod. You can't convert it into an mp3 and there's a limit on the number of computers it can be played on. The same thing applies to wma files which are sold by most other music stores - they'll play on certain mp3 players but not on an iPod. And, if you reformat your computer's hard drive a couple of times or get a new computer, you won't be able to play the file anymore. It's a high penalty to pay for your being honest and paying for your music.


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  • #42
    Firetrap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,441 ✭✭✭Firetrap


    Terry wrote:
    Ahh. Got stung with that a couple of times alright.

    Wouldn't even let me re-encode the song at a higher bit rate.

    Just wondering why you'd re-encode the song at a higher bit rate? It's not going to improve the sound quality. They do sell the songs at a desperately low bitrate though :mad:


  • #43
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Terry wrote:
    Ahh. Got stung with that a couple of times alright.

    Wouldn't even let me re-encode the song at a higher bit rate.

    Yep it should be made illegal. It limits how you use something you legally own.


  • #44
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    Firetrap wrote:
    Just wondering why you'd re-encode the song at a higher bit rate? It's not going to improve the sound quality. They do sell the songs at a desperately low bitrate though :mad:
    I was trying to get around the DRM thingy by re-encoding it.


  • #45
    indough
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭indough


    Can't you just burn a disc of the protected songs and import?


  • #46
    leninbenjamin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,983 ✭✭✭leninbenjamin


    AlmightyCushion wrote:
    Digital Rights Management. It's a retriction built in to the song. It's usually used to restrict the amount f devices the song can be played on or how many times it can be copied.

    in some cases it's no more than legalized spyware/malware is what it is. anyone remember the Sony rootkit scandal?

    also, i did a project in my IT course on DRM. i remember coming across a few resources saying that DRM is legally questionable. when you take ownership of something by the legal definition of ownership you can do whatever the f*ck you want with it... never thought to verify this seeing as i was taking a more techy viewpoint... anyone have a notion on/seen this stance before? anyway, came away with the general opinion thought that anyone who enforces DRM is a cNut and should be burned at the stake. Especially microsoft. God i hate microsoft for the crap they agree to with the music and video industry.


  • #47
    Ekancone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Ekancone


    Terry wrote:
    Well I was thinking of moving it to LTI because they really are one of the most depressing bands I have ever heard (my opinion), but I really don't want to remind the depressed people who use that forum regularly of the existence of radiohead.


    LTI?


  • #48
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    leninbenjamin wrote:
    in some cases it's no more than legalized spyware/malware is what it is. anyone remember the Sony rootkit scandal?

    also, i did a project in my IT course on DRM. i remember coming across a few resources saying that DRM is legally questionable. when you take ownership of something by the legal definition of ownership you can do whatever the f*ck you want with it... never thought to verify this seeing as i was taking a more techy viewpoint... anyone have a notion on/seen this stance before? anyway, came away with the general opinion thought that anyone who enforces DRM is a cNut and should be burned at the stake.

    That sony thing was a disgrace. How companies can get away with this is a joke. I find it funny that people who download things illegally have no restrictions as to what they do with it whereas people who pay get fúcked over. Treat your customers like criminals, great idea there lads.


  • #49
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    daithifleming wrote:
    LTI?
    Long term illness.


  • #50
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    daithifleming wrote:
    LTI?
    Long term illness


  • #51
    leninbenjamin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,983 ✭✭✭leninbenjamin


    AlmightyCushion wrote:
    That sony thing was a disgrace. How companies can get away with this is a joke. I find it funny that people who download things illegally have no restrictions as to what they do with it whereas people who pay get fúcked over. Treat your customers like criminals, great idea there lads.

    actually have you heard about Apple potential new update to the iPhone? turns it into a brick if you unlock it... but unlocking a phone itself is legal, you've paid for it so you own it. as long as you don't charge for the actions of unlocking it apparently. they really are just taking the piss these days...


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  • #52
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    leninbenjamin wrote:
    actually have you heard about Apple potential new update to the iPhone? turns it into a brick if you unlock it... but unlocking a phone itself is legal, you've paid for it so you own it. as long as you don't charge for the actions of unlocking it apparently. they really are just taking the piss these days...

    Yep heard that too. Apparently bioshock only lets you install it a couple of times. Half life 2 was a prick of a thing as well with the steam thing. I already had it installed on my parents computer then I bought a brand spanking new gaming pc and couldn't transfer over my install. I'm never having anything to do with steam again.


  • #53
    Firetrap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,441 ✭✭✭Firetrap


    What DRM does is punishes people who were honest enough to pay for the product in the first place. You can bet your bottom dollar that the people who aren't going to pay are downloading the stuff from torrent sites anyway.


  • #54
    Wertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,909 ✭✭✭✭Wertz


    Heh, I just got kinda f*cked over by sony just recently but that's another thread.

    Someone said about just burning your itunes d/l to disc and importing it to get around DRM; trouble with that is that you have an already low bit rate file, being transcoded to the cd format, then that encoded to mp3, just so you can put it on whatever device you want (what you've paid for it for)...you end up with something sounding terrible.
    Compare that to just buying it on CD and ripping it yourself at whatever bitrate you want and sticking it on your player, or compare it to just heading off into cyberspace and stealing it in higher quality formats with no DRM...the consumer is being penalised, more accurately IMO, the Apple customer....I'm no fan of the iPod, but lots of people have bought them for whatever reason, perhaps even to listen to music on them ;) ...but what they buy with that player is a tie to a marketplace where if they want to subscribe to legal d/ls they're impaired with relatively lower quality tracks that they would pay the same for on a CD bought from an online shop....yet the music industry is all talk about paid-for d/ls being the thing of the future?
    It's all an excercise in wallet stroking, Sony, Apple, the whole lot and the guy who doesn't want the RIAA suing him for theft, ends up getting short changed for doing the right thing...


  • #55
    faceman
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,691 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    Wertz wrote:
    Someone said about just burning your itunes d/l to disc and importing it to get around DRM;

    ahem, thats somewhat illegal... we wouldnt endorse anything like that on boards.

    Re the comments about the radiohead thing being a PR stunt, only visitors to their website would have noticed it. There was no build up, press releases etc. I dont think they are pulling a stunt and given you can download the stuff for free...


  • #56
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    faceman wrote:
    ahem, thats somewhat illegal... we wouldnt endorse anything like that on boards.

    Re the comments about the radiohead thing being a PR stunt, only visitors to their website would have noticed it. There was no build up, press releases etc. I dont think they are pulling a stunt and given you can download the stuff for free...

    Viral marketing is a very powerful tool. And it's not free. For some reason you have to pay at least 43p or something like that.


  • #57
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    It was mentioned on sky news this morning.
    I didn't see the full report, but it was one of the headlines.


  • #58
    manc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭manc


    AlmightyCushion wrote:
    Viral marketing is a very powerful tool. And it's not free. For some reason you have to pay at least 43p or something like that.

    you have to register before downloading, then they will be making their money from marketing sent to your details. Website is http://www.inrainbows.com


    you can also just go to UTube and search for the videos they released recently of new/old music, not sure of the details as I only heard it on the radio.


    attached is a chart on the breakdown of a cd price.


  • #59
    Stephen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,484 ✭✭✭✭Stephen


    AlmightyCushion wrote:
    Half life 2 was a prick of a thing as well with the steam thing. I already had it installed on my parents computer then I bought a brand spanking new gaming pc and couldn't transfer over my install. I'm never having anything to do with steam again.


    Ehh all you had to do was log into steam on the new computer with the same account you used on the old one and it gives you access to all the games you have on that account and even lets you download them again if you don't have the discs. You can do this on as many computers as you like, you'd only get banned if you were sharing your account.


  • #60
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Stephen wrote:
    Ehh all you had to do was log into steam on the new computer with the same account you used on the old one and it gives you access to all the games you have on that account and even lets you download them again if you don't have the discs. You can do this on as many computers as you like, you'd only get banned if you were sharing your account.

    I didn't get banned. I didn't have broadband when I bought it so I had to use my brothers broadband. I forgot my password to my steam account. After about ten emails to their support I finally found out I had to scan a copy of my serial key and email it off to tech support. This gave me access to my steam account but unfortunately I still didn't have broadband so I couldn't access my steam account. All that shite from a game I payed for.


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  • #61
    depadz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 282 ✭✭depadz


    manc wrote:
    you have to register before downloading, then they will be making their money from marketing sent to your details. Website is http://www.inrainbows.com


    i remember yorke doing one of those 'hip' mtv snippets about 10/15 years ago when he ranted on about how our details were all being stored in numerous databases etc. and how we should fight it blah blah blah.


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