Irish army ranger wing

bunny shooter · 23-09-2007 05:03PM

Poccington,

You claim it would be insane for the ex ranger to say SAS were pussies, I am telling you he did, he told me in person, it's not hearsay as in a friend of mine told me that an ex ranger told him etc.

This is a fact ! Not an opinion of mine, it's his opinion, and he's in a position to have it. Now are you caliming I'm lying or that he's not in a position to give that opinion ?

Now are you in a position to challenge his opinion ?

elvis jaffacake · 23-09-2007 05:05PM

bunny shooter wrote:

Poccington,

You claim it would be insane for the ex ranger to say SAS were pussies, I am telling you he did, he told me in person, it's not hearsay as in a friend of mine told me that an ex ranger told him etc.

This is a fact ! Not an opinion of mine, it's his opinion, and he's in a position to have it. Now are you caliming I'm lying or that he's not in a position to give that opinion ?

Now are you in a position to challenge his opinion ?

As far as I'm aware 9it may be wrong0 the Wing have never trained with the SAS, so how can he have an opinion on them

bunny shooter · 23-09-2007 05:06PM

elvis jaffacake wrote:

Does not mean the ERU hould take the Black role, they are neither trained nor equipped for it as the Wing are, also they have not had 25+ years experience in it, there's a reason the Wing are as internationally well regarded as they are, I see no reason to toss away all that just so the ERU can feel better, they should just stick to what they do, and not try and bone in on what the Wing does.

I simply stated a fact. Didn't express any opinion re ERU taking over counter terror role etc

elvis jaffacake · 23-09-2007 05:08PM

bunny shooter wrote:

I simply stated a fact. Didn't express any opinion re ERU taking over counter terror role etc

Oh apologies thought you were making a point in favour:o

Poccington · 23-09-2007 05:09PM

Look at my comment again...... I'm asking why would it be insane for the Wing lad to say the SAS are pussies in front of a member of the SAS? After Fred implied the Ex Wing lad wouldn't call them "pussies" if he was face to face with a member of the SAS. I may have worded it badly, but that's what I meant!

I'm not claiming you're lying or challenging your friends opinion........ I'm just trying to tell you that you misunderstood what I said!

bunny shooter · 23-09-2007 05:10PM

elvis jaffacake wrote:

As far as I'm aware 9it may be wrong0 the Wing have never trained with the SAS, so how can he have an opinion on them

I love the friend of friend bit it just add's to the whole thing

He said he trained with members of SAS.

bunny shooter · 23-09-2007 05:13PM

elvis jaffacake wrote:

Oh apologies thought you were making a point in favour:o

No bother, personally, I think leave military stuff to the ARW. Guards record with firearms ain't great

Flying · 23-09-2007 05:17PM

elvis jaffacake wrote:

Oh God!, you and flying are either taking the piss, or you have absolutely no clue what your on about, by the very definition, training and selection for the wing they are a SF unit.

complete and utter nonesense, exactly what part of the British army or RM's do the CT/"black role"?.....SAS/SBS, who does it here, the Wing, who does the deep penetration recce in the British forces, almost always the SAS/SBS, who does that here...The Wing, which units do they train with on a regular basis, oh my the cream of the CT/SO World, the aussie SASR, GIGN, GSG-9 , The SSG, the Dutch SBS and KCT,they operated in East Timor with the NZSAS, do you think those guys would work with anyone they felt to be a liability or inferior in skill, I could go on and on but why educate you, you sound like someone who either tried out for the wing and failed or you didn't even have the guts to try,
you son are the biggest walt on here, because your not even pretending to be something your not, no, your the much rarer type, the guy "who has worked with them on op's" and thinks they are useless

have the best day ever

First of all I never said I was a Ranger and if I were I would not mouth of here Secondly the ARW are no SF and far from it.

Also there are no former members of the ARW in the ERU that is BS and again pure lies and again made up BS.

I again also see the large majority of people except a handful actually know what they are talking about.

Also Bunny Shooter you admitted to being a civilian and that is what you are, you claim to know people from the wing who divulge info, I claim your a liar as if they do they breach the Official Secrets Act, do you want to continue. !

bunny shooter · 23-09-2007 05:18PM

Poccington wrote:

Look at my comment again...... I'm asking why would it be insane for the Wing lad to say the SAS are pussies in front of a member of the SAS? After Fred implied the Ex Wing lad wouldn't call them "pussies" if he was face to face with a member of the SAS. I may have worded it badly, but that's what I meant!

I'm not claiming you're lying or challenging your friends opinion........ I'm just trying to tell you that you misunderstood what I said!

I accept you're apology in the same way it was offered

Now, I'll ask again, are you in a position to challenge his opinion, I'm not ?

Irish_Army01 · 23-09-2007 05:18PM

bunny shooter wrote:

He said he trained with members of SAS.

AFAIK they haven't.

Flying · 23-09-2007 05:19PM

Irish_Army01 wrote:

Lads he is winding yee all up and your all biting..

The ARW are Special Forces and have trained with the best of the best in the world.

Somehow I don't think Teir 1 and Teir 2 Special Forces Units would train with advanced Infantry as you put it..I can name Units but I won't.

If any one read this months an Cosantoir, they would know a little more about the ARW and getting more involved in conventional Special Forces tactics and less on their Black Role.

Btw...Jog on...

Explain to me this who exactly regards them as the best in the world please enlighten me

bunny shooter · 23-09-2007 05:20PM

Irish_Army01 wrote:

AFAIK they haven't.

Not going to disagree with you. But I have no reason to disbelieve he hasn't trained with members of the SAS

Flying · 23-09-2007 05:21PM

elvis jaffacake wrote:

I yes I just noticed the inevitable "I was in X unit"...would you mind answearing some questions on said unit and it's selection please, just so I know you are who you say you are, can't be too careful...and no you won't find these answears in a book or the net before you think you can

Fire ahead but via PM

Poccington · 23-09-2007 05:21PM

bunny shooter wrote:

I accept you're apology in the same way it was offered

Now, I'll ask again, are you in a position to challenge his opinion, I'm not ?

How in the name of Allah would be in any position to challenge his opinion?(Even though I didn't to begin with)

I'm just a simple Bagger

indough · 23-09-2007 05:21PM

I doubt that a member of any SF unit around the world would consider the SAS 'pussies', let alone say it. They seem to be quite well respected from what i've heard. Just my opinion, take it or leave it

Flying · 23-09-2007 05:21PM

No members of the wing have trained with the SAS !

Flying · 23-09-2007 05:25PM

BTW we have gone way off topic I suggest a seperate thread for this discussion is to continue !

bunny shooter · 23-09-2007 05:27PM

Flying wrote:

First of all I never said I was a Ranger and if I were I would not mouth of here Secondly the ARW are no SF and far from it.

Also there are no former members of the ARW in the ERU that is BS and again pure lies and again made up BS.

I again also see the large majority of people except a handful actually know what they are talking about.

Also Bunny Shooter you admitted to being a civilian and that is what you are, you claim to know people from the wing who divulge info, I claim your a liar as if they do they breach the Official Secrets Act, do you want to continue. !

You know nothing of me and you are on the line, don't go over it:D

bunny shooter · 23-09-2007 05:30PM

Poccington wrote:

How in the name of Allah would be in any position to challenge his opinion?(Even though I didn't to begin with)

I'm just a simple Bagger

Question answered............

bunny shooter · 23-09-2007 05:31PM

Irish_Army01 wrote:

Correct..;)

I am still lying re ex rangers in ERU?

Flying · 23-09-2007 05:32PM

Just to clear up who is actual special forces eg UK.

1.) SAS Regiment (22,23,21,264 SAS,63 SAS)

2.) SBS - RM

3.) Mountain and Artic Warefare Cadre - RM

4.) Commacchio Group - RM

5.) Pathfinder Platoon

The fifth is a conventianal (spelling) unit that has black and green designations.

The ARW is similar to the latter 3 but is not comparable to the first 2, as very few if any members are linguists,tech experts, trained in counter intel etc.

They are trained for Green and Black operations but on the latter have very little experience.

I am not saying they are a crap unit far from it but are defintely (spelling) not up to the standard of British or American Combat proven units.

bunny shooter · 23-09-2007 05:33PM

Flying wrote:

BTW we have gone way off topic I suggest a seperate thread for this discussion is to continue !

Don't let the door hit you on the back of the head on the way out

Flying · 23-09-2007 05:35PM

bunny shooter wrote:

Don't let the door hit you on the back of the head on the way out

Again your a civilian, did you not have the courage to enlist?, you just like to read is that it?

Poccington · 23-09-2007 05:38PM

Flying wrote:

Again your a civilian, did you not have the courage to enlist?, you just like to read is that it?

You really are a wind up merchant

Flying · 23-09-2007 05:40PM

I am stating a fact !

Unless you have served (Full Time) in any army your opinion is from the media, heresay and reading it is far from an actual informed opinion based on experience.

Comments like saying the SAS are pussies is the kind of level of maturity we are dealing with here.

bunny shooter · 23-09-2007 05:46PM

Flying wrote:

Again your a civilian, did you not have the courage to enlist?, you just like to read is that it?

Actually I am a CPL. serving in the RDF with almost 12 years service, so I am a civilian, with a little military training, and just for your info I put my name on the waiting list for the army in 1985, when I was 17, and as there was no recruitment, I still haven't been called on to undergo physical or interview, after years in UK working, I returned to Ireland and I joined FCA at age of 28, got Best Recruit in my recruit camp, and 2 years later done my NCO's course. No vacancies for SGT. in my unit and I have refused a place on an Pot Officers Course. Now you want to reconsider you're opinion about courage to enlist, would you submit to recruit training at 28 ? even FCA training ?

bunny shooter · 23-09-2007 05:51PM

Poccington wrote:

You really are a wind up merchant

I am a bagger, same as you

bet you feel really silly now, but I'd say you're used to it

Flying · 23-09-2007 05:53PM

bunny shooter wrote:

Actually I am a CPL. serving in the RDF with almost 12 years service, so I am a civilian, with a little military training, and just for your info I put my name on the waiting list for the army in 1985, when I was 17, and as there was no recruitment, I still haven't been called on to undergo physical or interview, after years in UK working, I returned to Ireland and I joined FCA at age of 28, got Best Recruit in my recruit camp, and 2 years later done my NCO's course. No vacancies for SGT. in my unit and I have refused a place on an Pot Officers Course. Now you want to reconsider you're opinion about courage to enlist, would you submit to recruit training at 28 ? even FCA training ?

Why did you not join the BA ? I did because I too was on that list and was not waiting around for the government to change their tune, I came home when they started the whole yellow pack recruiting (5 Year contracts)

I am far from having a go and I will readily admit I have no time for the FCA as I believe the money can be spent on recuitment to the PDF and better facilities for them.

What I initally did was state a fact as the ARW are not SF, I for one did not go for selection on grounds of having family commitments that other did not.

I did all my macho BS in the UK and got it out of my system. I came home did my 5 year contract here and then left again for family reasons and more money.

Your most likely a nice guy and would have a lot in common with me but I am stating from my stand point and my fathers also who has 43 years service both here and another army.

Anyhow no offence or any malicious intended !

bunny shooter · 23-09-2007 05:53PM

Poccington & Flying I think you 2 are members of 31 Cav RDF in Cork, would I be right ?

bunny shooter · 23-09-2007 05:56PM

Flying wrote:

Why did you not join the BA ? I did because I too was on that list and was not waiting around for the government to change their tune, I came home when they started the whole yellow pack recruiting (5 Year contracts)

I am far from having a go and I will readily admit I have no time for the FCA as I believe the money can be spent on recuitment to the PDF and better facilities for them.

What I initally did was state a fact as the ARW are not SF, I for one did not go for selection on grounds of having family commitments that other did not.

I did all my macho BS in the UK and got it out of my system. I came home did my 5 year contract here and then left again for family reasons and more money.

Your most likely a nice guy and would have a lot in common with me but I am stating from my stand point and my fathers also who has 43 years service both here and another army.

Anyhow no offence or any malicious intended !

No offence taken, like a good discussion.

BA, applied, got accepted, Irish Guards, but family here weren't too happy about it so didn't.......

No hassle, same here, no offence meant