Irish army ranger wing

Poccington · 21-09-2007 04:56PM

Fratton Fred wrote:

a view he would no doubt share with any member of the SAS face to face:rolleyes:

What would the SAS lad do that would make it so insane for said Ex Wing member to say he thought his unit were pussies?

SAS lads aren't superheroes...... I'm sure the Ex Wing would be more than able to protect himself. Unless of course the SAS lad used his Super Ninja Death Chop to take him out :rolleyes:

Poccington · 21-09-2007 04:57PM

Dub13 wrote:

All unites whether elite or mainstream have there cock ups.

Exactly...... All this sh!te of "X Unit is better" and "No, they're ****. Y Unit would slaughter everyone" is ridiculous.

Flying · 22-09-2007 09:47PM

The Ranger Wing are far from Special forces they are advanced infantry or similar to the British Parachute Regiment, possibly similar to the Pathfinders.

The Quality Level in the wing has dropped over the years as IMHO they are getting softer from the days of the Early 80's and the SAG the pre runners to the wing or the special assault group. My father who was one of the main people being the inception of the ARW to this day still insists they are not special forces.

The SAS and the US Army Delta Teams are,I would even class the Royal Marine Commando's a better unit. I have served as part of the above pathfinders and also here and found most of the members of the wing not to be trained to the high level the should and selection would be nothing compared to "P" Company IMHO.

As for anyone joining the army, the wing should be the last thing on their minds, walk before running although I have seen a good few 3 Star privates straight of the 3 star course go for selection and pass back in the day but the standard has dropped overall in the army as they are taking more and more wasters in who are gone in a few days and sometimes hours !

eroo · 23-09-2007 12:05AM

Flying wrote:

The Ranger Wing are far from Special forces they are advanced infantry or similar to the British Parachute Regiment, possibly similar to the Pathfinders.

The Quality Level in the wing has dropped over the years as IMHO they are getting softer from the days of the Early 80's and the SAG the pre runners to the wing or the special assault group. My father who was one of the main people being the inception of the ARW to this day still insists they are not special forces.

The SAS and the US Army Delta Teams are,I would even class the Royal Marine Commando's a better unit. I have served as part of the above pathfinders and also here and found most of the members of the wing not to be trained to the high level the should and selection would be nothing compared to "P" Company IMHO.

As for anyone joining the army, the wing should be the last thing on their minds, walk before running although I have seen a good few 3 Star privates straight of the 3 star course go for selection and pass back in the day but the standard has dropped overall in the army as they are taking more and more wasters in who are gone in a few days and sometimes hours !

how positive!are you in the Wing??i think not.they ARE Special Forces.no infantry unit has the capacity/skills/range of operation to match the Wing.if anything standard in Wing has gone up with the Defence Forces receiving more money in budget

bunny shooter · 23-09-2007 07:25AM

Poccington wrote:

What would the SAS lad do that would make it so insane for said Ex Wing member to say he thought his unit were pussies?

I don't know didn't ask. Asked him what he thought of SAS and he said and I quote "pussies"........ he was in a position to give an opinion, are you ?

Flying · 23-09-2007 10:54AM

eroo wrote:

how positive!are you in the Wing??i think not.they ARE Special Forces.no infantry unit has the capacity/skills/range of operation to match the Wing.if anything standard in Wing has gone up with the Defence Forces receiving more money in budget

Sorry walter mitty when you know what you are talking about come back to me also dont assume anything about me as you know nothing you are most likely an armchair expert or in the sandbags so jog on.

The Wing are AT - Adavanced Infantry and also the US Army Ranger have the same amount of skills, as do the British Parachute Regiment, the Royal Marine Commando's Mountain and Artic warfare cadre.

They are not Special Forces in any form or manner, I've been with them, being on operations with them and they themselves admit they are not SF.!!

bunny shooter · 23-09-2007 11:40AM

Flying, Those that have done it don't talk about it and those that haven't do ....... You know about sandbags don't you ? When the s...t kicks off the soldiers hide behind the sandbags ......

So you weren't/aren't a ranger, what were you a sandbag for them ?

Bet you were/are a special force, in your own mind, considering you're obviously a big fan of the RDF (which I presume you're sandbag reference refers to), which you probably never served in. I've met you're sort in the PDF and sorted them too. RDF rank carrys the same weight as the PDF rank. You're a dying breed, thank God.

eroo · 23-09-2007 12:22PM

bunny shooter wrote:

Flying, Those that have done it don't talk about it and those that haven't do ....... You know about sandbags don't you ? When the s...t kicks off the soldiers hide behind the sandbags ......

So you weren't/aren't a ranger, what were you a sandbag for them ?

Bet you were/are a special force, in your own mind, considering you're obviously a big fan of the RDF (which I presume you're sandbag reference refers to), which you probably never served in. I've met you're sort in the PDF and sorted them too. RDF rank carrys the same weight as the PDF rank. You're a dying breed, thank God.

here here!!!

Flying · 23-09-2007 01:02PM

bunny shooter wrote:

Flying, Those that have done it don't talk about it and those that haven't do ....... You know about sandbags don't you ? When the s...t kicks off the soldiers hide behind the sandbags ......

So you weren't/aren't a ranger, what were you a sandbag for them ?

Bet you were/are a special force, in your own mind, considering you're obviously a big fan of the RDF (which I presume you're sandbag reference refers to), which you probably never served in. I've met you're sort in the PDF and sorted them too. RDF rank carrys the same weight as the PDF rank. You're a dying breed, thank God.

Sorry Pal but I have no time for the Walter Mittys of the FCA and dont make me laugh about rank there, they are by far the biggest waste of my money eg. the tax payer and also I have nearly 14 years service between 2 armies so again dont make assumptions.

I see this Military forum is rife with walters like yourself, who like to PLAY, when you do it as a job and for a living come back with a more educated approach.

As for SANDBAGS the term used for these people who think they are soldiers, we spend longer deprogramming these idiots from BS Mode to real soldier mode when the turn up for Recruit training in the PDF.

And the wastage rate with the "Commando's" from the FCA is higher than that of the average civilian off the street.

Oh did I boil your blood, jog on son !

bunny shooter · 23-09-2007 01:14PM

Flying wrote:

Sorry Pal but I have no time for the Walter Mittys of the FCA and dont make me laugh about rank there, they are by far the biggest waste of my money eg. the tax payer and also I have nearly 14 years service between 2 armies so again dont make assumptions.

I see this Military forum is rife with walters like yourself, who like to PLAY, when you do it as a job and for a living come back with a more educated approach.

As for SANDBAGS the term used for these people who think they are soldiers, we spend longer deprogramming these idiots from BS Mode to real soldier mode when the turn up for Recruit training in the PDF.

And the wastage rate with the "Commando's" from the FCA is higher than that of the average civilian off the street.

Oh did I boil your blood, jog on son !

Boil, not even warm ! Programming/deprogramming is for computers. As I said you're a dying breed.......

Flying · 23-09-2007 01:16PM

Nah Son, Do it for a living your attitude will change dramatically

Hagar · 23-09-2007 01:18PM

Handbags ladies. Keep it civil please, thank you.

bunny shooter · 23-09-2007 01:24PM

Flying wrote:

Nah Son, Do it for a living your attitude will change dramatically

Son, now you're presuming you're old enough to be my Dad, which I doubt you are, do it for a living, don't have to, have a well paid civvy job

bunny shooter · 23-09-2007 01:27PM

Hagar wrote:

Handbags ladies. Keep it civil please, thank you.

She started it

eroo · 23-09-2007 01:31PM

best way to end this is this:im not military but Flying,your not a Ranger(if you were you wouldnt be here) so you cannot make assumptions either!say it to the Rangers that they're not SF and see what will happen to you!also,why would an advanced infantry unit be our only CT unit and why would they so much training with other SF if they're only AI??

bunny shooter · 23-09-2007 02:05PM

eroo wrote:

best way to end this is this:im not military but Flying,your not a Ranger(if you were you wouldnt be here) so you cannot make assumptions either!say it to the Rangers that they're not SF and see what will happen to you!also,why would an advanced infantry unit be our only CT unit and why would they so much training with other SF if they're only AI??

Maybe AI get paid less than SF, that would explain it ?

tangod · 23-09-2007 02:22PM

Have to say i agree with what flying is saying, most of the people here dont have a clue what they are saying and i think like playing soldier at the weekends.

elvis jaffacake · 23-09-2007 02:35PM

tangod wrote:

Have to say i agree with what flying is saying, most of the people here dont have a clue what they are saying and i think like playing soldier at the weekends.

Oh God!, you and flying are either taking the piss, or you have absolutely no clue what your on about, by the very definition, training and selection for the wing they are a SF unit.

The Wing are AT - Adavanced Infantry and also the US Army Ranger have the same amount of skills, as do the British Parachute Regiment, the Royal Marine Commando's Mountain and Artic warfare cadre.

They are not Special Forces in any form or manner, I've been with them, being on operations with them and they themselves admit they are not SF.!!

complete and utter nonesense, exactly what part of the British army or RM's do the CT/"black role"?.....SAS/SBS, who does it here, the Wing, who does the deep penetration recce in the British forces, almost always the SAS/SBS, who does that here...The Wing, which units do they train with on a regular basis, oh my the cream of the CT/SO World, the aussie SASR, GIGN, GSG-9 , The SSG, the Dutch SBS and KCT,they operated in East Timor with the NZSAS, do you think those guys would work with anyone they felt to be a liability or inferior in skill, I could go on and on but why educate you, you sound like someone who either tried out for the wing and failed or you didn't even have the guts to try,
you son are the biggest walt on here, because your not even pretending to be something your not, no, your the much rarer type, the guy "who has worked with them on op's" and thinks they are useless

have the best day ever

elvis jaffacake · 23-09-2007 02:40PM

Flying wrote:

The Ranger Wing are far from Special forces they are advanced infantry or similar to the British Parachute Regiment, possibly similar to the Pathfinders.

The Quality Level in the wing has dropped over the years as IMHO they are getting softer from the days of the Early 80's and the SAG the pre runners to the wing or the special assault group. My father who was one of the main people being the inception of the ARW to this day still insists they are not special forces.

The SAS and the US Army Delta Teams are,I would even class the Royal Marine Commando's a better unit. I have served as part of the above pathfinders and also here and found most of the members of the wing not to be trained to the high level the should and selection would be nothing compared to "P" Company IMHO.

As for anyone joining the army, the wing should be the last thing on their minds, walk before running although I have seen a good few 3 Star privates straight of the 3 star course go for selection and pass back in the day but the standard has dropped overall in the army as they are taking more and more wasters in who are gone in a few days and sometimes hours !

I yes I just noticed the inevitable "I was in X unit"...would you mind answearing some questions on said unit and it's selection please, just so I know you are who you say you are, can't be too careful...and no you won't find these answears in a book or the net before you think you can

Poccington · 23-09-2007 02:45PM

bunny shooter wrote:

I don't know didn't ask. Asked him what he thought of SAS and he said and I quote "pussies"........ he was in a position to give an opinion, are you ?

My comment wasn't aimed at you...... It was in reply to Fratton Fred's comment.

testicle · 23-09-2007 03:17PM

Special Forces (SF) is a generic term for highly-trained military units that conduct specialized operations such as reconnaissance, unconventional warfare, and counter-terrorism actions.

UK SF units are the SAS, the SBS, and the SRR.

Irish_Army01 · 23-09-2007 04:00PM

Lads he is winding yee all up and your all biting..

The ARW are Special Forces and have trained with the best of the best in the world.

Somehow I don't think Teir 1 and Teir 2 Special Forces Units would train with advanced Infantry as you put it..I can name Units but I won't.

If any one read this months an Cosantoir, they would know a little more about the ARW and getting more involved in conventional Special Forces tactics and less on their Black Role.

Btw...Jog on...

elvis jaffacake · 23-09-2007 04:34PM

Irish_Army01 wrote:

If any one read this months an Cosantoir, they would know a little more about the ARW and getting more involved in conventional Special Forces tactics and less on their Black Role.

Yep..lets wait for the inevitable attempt by the ERU to try and bag the CT/HR...again.....and let the wing concentrate on all the "soldiery stuff":rolleyes:

Irish_Army01 · 23-09-2007 04:41PM

elvis jaffacake wrote:

Yep..lets wait for the inevitable attempt by the ERU to try and bag the CT/HR...again.....and let the wing concentrate on all the "soldiery stuff":rolleyes:

not a chance:D

bunny shooter · 23-09-2007 04:49PM

Poccington wrote:

What would the SAS lad do that would make it so insane for said Ex Wing member to say he thought his unit were pussies?

You wrote it ! Now, as I said I asked what he thought of the SAS,who he said he had trained with, and he said and I quote "they are pussies", he is in a position to give an opinion, are you ?

elvis jaffacake · 23-09-2007 04:52PM

Irish_Army01 wrote:

not a chance:D

Oh I didn't say it was smart/or even likely, but they (ERU) and GS HQ have always wanted to have that role, they wanted to turn the ERU into something more like GSG-9 then the (although very good ) SWAT type unit it is;)

bunny shooter · 23-09-2007 04:56PM

elvis jaffacake wrote:

Oh I didn't say it was smart/or even likely, but they (ERU) and GS HQ have always wanted to have that role, they wanted to turn the ERU into something more like GSG-9 then the (although very good ) SWAT type unit it is;)

Ex rangers have been recruited into Gardai and subsequently the ERU

Poccington · 23-09-2007 04:56PM

bunny shooter wrote:

You wrote it ! Now, as I said he said and I quote they were "pussies", he is in a position to give an opinion, are you ?

I never said they were or weren't pussies. I responded to this comment by Fred

a view he would no doubt share with any member of the SAS face to face :rolleyes:

He implied that said Ex Wing member would not refer to the SAS as "pussies" to the face of a member of the SAS. I then asked why wouldn't the Ex Wing lad say it to their face?

I never once mentioned anything about whether or not the Ex Wing lad was in a position to speak on the SAS. So your last comment has no relevance to what I said.

Irish_Army01 · 23-09-2007 05:00PM

bunny shooter wrote:

Ex rangers have been recruited into Gardai and subsequently the ERU

Correct..;)

elvis jaffacake · 23-09-2007 05:01PM

bunny shooter wrote:

Ex rangers have been recruited into Gardai and subsequently the ERU

Does not mean the ERU hould take the Black role, they are neither trained nor equipped for it as the Wing are, also they have not had 25+ years experience in it, there's a reason the Wing are as internationally well regarded as they are, I see no reason to toss away all that just so the ERU can feel better, they should just stick to what they do, and not try and bone in on what the Wing does.

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