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"Incident" at Howth Junction station

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  • #62
    pretty-in-pink
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,007 ✭✭✭pretty-in-pink


    that poor girl n her family. such pressure

    my jc we were told it was v important, then in 5 year we were told it wasnt. no councelling given. unless you were willing to apply for it, and it could be ages. nothing for the lc either


  • #63
    Clover
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,856 ✭✭✭Clover


    R.I.P to that poor girl and condolences to her family , friends and classmates / teachers.


  • #64
    miju
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,483 ✭✭✭miju


    RIP to the girl. Thats now the thrid (resulting in 4 deaths) train suicide at Howth Junction station directly probably.


  • #65
    pretty-in-pink
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,007 ✭✭✭pretty-in-pink


    |Cookies wrote:
    there is obviosly more then her failing maths for her reason to kill herself..
    my thought too


  • #66
    comongethappy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,756 ✭✭✭comongethappy


    It's sad to hear... I imagine it wasn't just her exams, probably just the tipping point for her.

    It is terrible how mental health issues like depression are looked over here... hope no other young people find exams a tipping point, it's defo not the end of the world.


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  • #67
    Heyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭Heyes


    I remember when I was in school we used to be always told that the school average in the leaving certificate was 480, this clearly caused a sense of pressure on everyone.

    Similar pressure was placed on everyone minus the enfisez (spl?) on points in the Junior Cert.

    It sickens me when i hear of unfortunate situations like this where young kids feel that if they dont get past some certain challenges in life first go that its the end of everything, it truelly isnt.

    A person is successful in life by the amount of determination and self belief they have in themselves, NOT by the amount of points they get in an exam or whether they pass every exam with brilliant results.


  • #68
    Wacker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,057 ✭✭✭Wacker


    I heard a story from my dad once of a train driver in the UK. As he didn't know the guy himself this is probably just an urban legend, but it is worth considering. A guy threw himself in fron of his train, and the driver was really badly messed up by it. Eventually, he went back to work. It hapened again, and he was really messed up again. When he finally went back to work, a bag blew in front of his train and he had a heart attack and died.

    True story or not, it is worth considering. Throwing yourself in front of a train is a really incnsiderate way to kill yourself, and this is coming from someone who knew a guy who did just that.


  • #69
    Heyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭Heyes


    Wacker wrote:
    I heard a story from my dad once of a train driver in the UK. As he didn't know the guy himself this is probably just an urban legend, but it is worth considering. A guy threw himself in fron of his train, and the driver was really badly messed up by it. Eventually, he went back to work. It hapened again, and he was really messed up again. When he finally went back to work, a bag blew in front of his train and he had a heart attack and died.

    True story or not, it is worth considering. Throwing yourself in front of a train is a really incnsiderate way to kill yourself, and this is coming from someone who knew a guy who did just that.

    I think there s a time and a place for bringing things like this up, I dont think this is it.


  • #70
    Wacker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,057 ✭✭✭Wacker


    Heyes wrote:
    I think there s a time and a place for bringing things like this up, I dont think this is it.
    That may well be true, and I know what I said sounds very insensitive, but I was more addressing a previous point than bringing up something new.

    By all means, my sympathy for the family and friends. It is a shame that the girl couldn't see past the temporary nature of her problems and understand that she had all the time in the world to live a worthwhile and happy life.


  • #71
    eire1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 649 ✭✭✭eire1


    Either way it's a terrible tragedy. My thoughts go out to her famliy and friends. RIP


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  • #72
    So Glad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,472 ✭✭✭So Glad


    Please read my thread I made about this.....this is a pivotal event where people should consider the world we're creating...

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055149786


  • #73
    Naikon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,564 ✭✭✭Naikon


    Bex81 wrote:
    I wish she knew how unimportant something like the JC is in the long run...

    The same can probably be said for the LC too.
    I am just using mine as a fast pass to College.
    Those old-fashioned bureaucrats in Athlone care more about logistics than the needs of the student population:mad:

    R.I.P


  • #74
    littlebitdull
    Closed Accounts Posts: 518 ✭✭✭littlebitdull


    This is a horrible horrible tragedy.

    this poor child was obivously suffering from some form of depression. Because lets face it ... no one in their proper mental state would kill themselves.

    She was obivously too ill and too emotionaly unstable to think beyond the now. Beyond the final straw that pushed her over that edge into taking her own life.

    There is no point in laying blame. There is no going back.

    Its not the junior cert that killed her, it was not her parents, it was a severe and life treatening illness ... depression.

    Its an illness... just like any other... but with more of a social stigma .. .so harder for people to go and get help.

    And now for one young girl... its too late.


  • #75
    1huge1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭1huge1


    watna wrote:
    It's mad that it's a girl. From all the recent news articles (and threads) I automatically expected it to be a boy.
    Is it really? female sucides have been on the up for years and in general school is of more importance to them and it seems very true in this case.


  • #76
    Call Me Jimmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    This is a toughy. Terrible story but I don't think it is necessarily depression just because she killed herself, there are other disorders and she could have well put as unhealthy an emphasis on her education as an anorexic puts on their body. Thus getting the fail was like calling an anorexic girl a ****ing elephant and laughing at her.


  • #77
    darkskol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,233 ✭✭✭darkskol


    RIP to that young girl, I passed over howth junction today at 1pm and everything looked as normal. I remember earlier this year heading in to town on the DART when someone jumped out in front of the train at killester, just felt a sickening bump under the train. We were let out the drivers door and told not to look down. It was just a horrible feeling, I hope the driver gets some counselling. This is another tragic event that happended today, my condolences to her family.


  • #78
    Fighting Irish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,062 ✭✭✭Fighting Irish


    watna wrote:
    Where did you hear it was a junior cert-er? That article just mentions a death on the tracks. it doesn't give any details.
    obl wrote:
    Bare in mind it is early days, and heard by word of mouth, but apparently the incident this morning was a Junior Cert-er who failed maths jumping in front of a train.

    If it is true it raises serious questions about exam pressures in today's day and age.

    RIP

    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhcwqleysnkf/rss2/

    :rolleyes:


  • #79
    bronte
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    Bless this poor girl's family...such a rotten thing to happen to anyone.

    Wouldn't fancy being a train driver...Jesus.


  • #80
    Fighting Irish
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    Heyes wrote:
    I think there s a time and a place for bringing things like this up, I dont think this is it.

    Relax, he does have a point


  • #81
    TPD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,813 ✭✭✭TPD


    Bex81 wrote:
    I nearly failed all my JC subjects, pulled up my socks for the LC and now have 2 MScs. I wish she knew how unimportant something like the JC is in the long run...
    God bless her and all who loved her

    Didn't read all so this might have been asked, but why didn't you go for a doctorate instead of the second masters? Imagine, Dr. Bex81. Class or what.

    Oh crap the topic: I don't know anyone who felt pressured around junior cert time. Suppose that's cos we were friendly with older students who told us how little it really matters.


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  • #82
    nlgbbbblth
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    jdivision wrote:
    I'm a journalist and can confirm that as a general rule extensive coverage is not given to very public suicides because there are copycat incidents. That tends to be ignored by some of the tabloids now however. I remember The Star about 8 years ago went big on a guy who committed suicide in the Liffey, there was a copycat two weeks later and another person tried after that but was dragged out.

    Not a valid reason for refusing to report the facts.

    Isn't World Suicide Prevention Day happening this week?

    How can Ireland face up to the suicide epidemic if the media will not even acknowledge and report suicides as suicides?

    see http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=54006261&postcount=82


  • #83
    Rozabeez
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,878 ✭✭✭Rozabeez


    Yes, it's very sad, and my heart goes out to the family and friends, but I think there must have been more to it, if there wasn't then it's sickening that she over-reacted in such a way to JC results.

    RIP.


  • #84
    anthony4335
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,022 ✭✭✭anthony4335


    Yet another reason to go with continual assements. Although people have to stop laying the pressure on so hard about results. I know quite a lot of people who did not do so well in either the Inter and Leaving and still went on to collage and are doing well for them selfs. My heart goes out to the family and friends of this girl ,it is never good to be left behind after a suicide.


  • #85
    Mr.Plough
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,615 ✭✭✭Mr.Plough


    Surprisingly this is the first I've heard about this as i dont watch the news, and its shocking and depressing. It's probable there were underlying issues involved which caused her to do this, but schools put a HUGE amount of pressure on students for these exams. it makes me fcuking sick. Put so much pressure on kids that are 13/14/15 to do well. let them have a fcuking childhood. I remember coming up to the JC and the pressure was unreal, and the jcs not worth a sh1t. its practice for another overrated exam.
    Wacker wrote:
    True story or not, it is worth considering. Throwing yourself in front of a train is a really incnsiderate way to kill yourself, and this is coming from someone who knew a guy who did just that.

    well this is coming from someone whos close relative did that. there are serious mental problems involved, and no-one who commits suicide can be considered to be in a healthy state of mind. and anyway, is there such a thing as a considerate way to kill yourself?


  • #86
    Wacker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,057 ✭✭✭Wacker


    Mr.Plough wrote:
    well this is coming from someone whos close relative did that. there are serious mental problems involved, and no-one who commits suicide can be considered to be in a healthy state of mind. and anyway, is there such a thing as a considerate way to kill yourself?

    Obviously no way of doing it will be ideal, as someone is going to have to find the body, and this will always be traumatising. However, finding a body would not be nearly as bad as feeling directly responsible for the death of a stranger, as this train driver now possibly does.

    If it were me, I imagine I'd drink a whole bottle of whiskey and drop bottle- loads of pills before slashing my wrists. This will be horrific for whoever finds the body, but at least they won't feel like they killed you.

    I know all this sounds insensitive, which is not my intention. I just always feel really bad for the train drivers in these cases.


  • #87
    Plug
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    eth0_ wrote:
    I wouldn't point the finger at her parents, but I find it difficult to believe - if it was suicide - that it was 100% over failing an exam. It's 10 years since I did my junior but I don't remember anyone thinking it was going to be the end of the world if they ended up failing anything. Have things changed that much?
    Theres plenty of things to look at, domestic problems, could have been bullied etc and then when she saw the results, well that was the end?


  • #88
    lady_j
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    nlgbbbblth wrote:
    Not a valid reason for refusing to report the facts.

    Isn't World Suicide Prevention Day happening this week?

    How can Ireland face up to the suicide epidemic if the media will not even acknowledge and report suicides as suicides?

    see http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=54006261&postcount=82


    Its on the front page of a number of papers today.


  • #89
    Mr.Plough
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,615 ✭✭✭Mr.Plough


    Wacker wrote:
    Obviously no way of doing it will be ideal, as someone is going to have to find the body, and this will always be traumatising. However, finding a body would not be nearly as bad as feeling directly responsible for the death of a stranger, as this train driver now possibly does.

    If it were me, I imagine I'd drink a whole bottle of whiskey and drop bottle- loads of pills before slashing my wrists. This will be horrific for whoever finds the body, but at least they won't feel like they killed you.

    I know all this sounds insensitive, which is not my intention. I just always feel really bad for the train drivers in these cases.

    i meant that the family members blame themselves nearly always


  • #90
    Wacker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,057 ✭✭✭Wacker


    Mr.Plough wrote:
    i meant that the family members blame themselves nearly always
    I don't doubt it. This is unavoidable.

    But now a train driver does too.


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  • #91
    eamoss
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    Daily Mail
    http://img71.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bild0592vh1.jpg


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