"Incident" at Howth Junction station

dame · 12-09-2007 03:55PM

Elessar wrote:

Ouch.

I bet RTE wont even report it, so typical when news involves suicide.

Suicides are often not reported in case they cause copy-cat incidents.

RIP.

Boston · 12-09-2007 03:58PM

Mairt wrote:

Is there no councilling services provided on exams result days in the schools?. No one a pupil can go and talk over their concerns?.

There is, but thats like a drop in the ocean. For all you know this girl was having sever and prolonged mental problems. Stress from exams doesn't cause these problems, but rather bring them to the forefront. Also exams are teh least of it tbh, all the other bull**** surrounding teenage life was always harder to deal with.

MrJoeSoap · 12-09-2007 04:02PM

dame wrote:

Suicides are often not reported in case they cause copy-cat incidents.

RIP.

Makes you wonder why genocide is reported then.

kev_s88 · 12-09-2007 04:03PM

even if there is counselling services available how many 14/15 yr olds are gonna know that what there feeling requires help.how many 14/15 yr olds are gonna go talk to someone!!! thats something thats not emphasised enough in schools!!! kids need to know that there is someone!! i just did my LC and we were told from the start of 5th year that we could talk to any of our teachers if we were havin worries or under pressure or whatever...

RIP

eth0_ · 12-09-2007 04:05PM

Plug wrote:

God thats terrible:(
But over the junior cert results hardly? I say she was having problems at home with the parents.

I wouldn't point the finger at her parents, but I find it difficult to believe - if it was suicide - that it was 100% over failing an exam. It's 10 years since I did my junior but I don't remember anyone thinking it was going to be the end of the world if they ended up failing anything. Have things changed that much?

Boston · 12-09-2007 04:06PM

kev_s88 wrote:

even if there is counselling services available how many 14/15 yr olds are gonna know that what there feeling requires help.how many 14/15 yr olds are gonna go talk to someone!!! thats something thats not emphasised enough in schools!!! kids need to know that there is someone!! i just did my LC and we were told from the start of 5th year that we could talk to any of our teachers if we were havin worries or under pressure or whatever...

RIP

More often then not the person provided is a **** tard. Also the kid has no expectation of privacy relating to matters discussed with a school councilor.

eth0_ · 12-09-2007 04:09PM

dame wrote:

Suicides are often not reported in case they cause copy-cat incidents.

RIP.

What is your source for this claim?

Methinks Iarnrod Eireann have a fantastic PR team, because suicides and deaths on their network happen relatively regularly and almost never make the news.

tolosenc · 12-09-2007 04:17PM

Shit. Her dad works with my dad. Bollox.

Plissken1 · 12-09-2007 04:25PM

The_B_Man wrote:

the worst thing is, the junior cert is useless! teachers put it in their minds that its really important! if this girl had some perspective and was told REALLY ow important it is, she'd prob be walkin around with her schoolmates now.

The Junior cert didnt exist when I was in School, it would be really sad if someone did die, I hope its just a rumour. These days you don't even need the Leaving Cert (although it does help) to get into Third Level Education. You can even be accepted into Medicine now without a Leaving Cert. There is a two year Science course you can apply for, which you have to pass with destinction. But it goes to show that kids should not be made to think that these exams they do when they are still just babies really, are worth getting so stressed about, when they have their whole lives ahead of them to decide what they want to do.

Boston · 12-09-2007 04:31PM

eth0_ wrote:

What is your source for this claim?

Methinks Iarnrod Eireann have a fantastic PR team, because suicides and deaths on their network happen relatively regularly and almost never make the news.

He right, RTE have this policy anyway. Suicides are almost never reported as such. If this is reported it will be referred to as an 'incident' involving a young girl.

Boston · 12-09-2007 04:32PM

Plissken1 wrote:

The Junior cert didnt exist when I was in School, it would be really sad if someone did die, I hope its just a rumour. These days you don't even need the Leaving Cert (although it does help) to get into Third Level Education. You can even be accepted into Medicine now without a Leaving Cert. There is a two year Science course you can apply for, which you have to pass with destinction. But it goes to show that kids should not be made to think that these exams they do when they are still just babies really, are worth getting so stressed about, when they have their whole lives ahead of them to decide what they want to do.

Hippy notions like that are all well and good until the real work bites you in the ass.

eth0_ · 12-09-2007 04:42PM

Plissken1 wrote:

You can even be accepted into Medicine now without a Leaving Cert. There is a two year Science course you can apply for, which you have to pass with destinction.

You most certainly can not get into medicine without a leaving cert that includes science subjects! What is this course you are talking about?

Even for the new graduate entry courses in medicine, iirc in UCD you need 400 points in your leaving cert - even if you have a first class hons in biomedical science or similar!

digitally-yours · 12-09-2007 04:48PM

dame wrote:

Suicides are often not reported in case they cause copy-cat incidents.

RIP.

What about Rape,Theft,Drugs & Bullying ?

I guess they need to create awareness among people about these issues.

Also there should be enough help for anyone seeking help.

Its a Sad story and those responsible whoever they are should hang their head in shame.

jdivision · 12-09-2007 04:52PM

eth0_ wrote:

What is your source for this claim?

Methinks Iarnrod Eireann have a fantastic PR team, because suicides and deaths on their network happen relatively regularly and almost never make the news.

I'm a journalist and can confirm that as a general rule extensive coverage is not given to very public suicides because there are copycat incidents. That tends to be ignored by some of the tabloids now however. I remember The Star about 8 years ago went big on a guy who committed suicide in the Liffey, there was a copycat two weeks later and another person tried after that but was dragged out.

Cabaal · 12-09-2007 04:53PM

The_B_Man wrote:

the worst thing is, the junior cert is useless! teachers put it in their minds that its really important! if this girl had some perspective and was told REALLY ow important it is, she'd prob be walkin around with her schoolmates now.

Fully agree, Junior cert is completely meaningless in the scale of things, it only gives you an idea what a proper exam is like but the results basically mean nothing,

No point in people getting depressed because they got bad results in it,

rossie1977 · 12-09-2007 05:14PM

thats awful. i didnt bother doing anything for my junior cert and didn't even sit my leaving

still ended up getting a first class in both my degree and Masters.

Teachers in school MUST STOP this competition that goes on in secondary school. They treat the LC like its the end of the world and that if you don't get a LC you will amount to nothing :mad:

purple'n'gold · 12-09-2007 05:26PM

Cabaal wrote:

Fully agree, Junior cert is completely meaningless in the scale of things, it only gives you an idea what a proper exam is like but the results basically mean nothing,

No point in people getting depressed because they got bad results in it,

I wouldn’t say that the junior cert is meaningless, the ESB only look for the best junior certs when they are looking for apprentices. They don’t look for leaving cert results.

lazygit · 12-09-2007 05:29PM

I believe i was on the train when this happned, it was the 10:15 service from Drogheda to Dublin, i was in the front carrige when the driver announced there was an issue with the train, he then informed us all to leave the front carrige of the train and move to the rear carriges.

About 30mins later a new driver arrived and announced there was an serious incendent on the track and that we would be moving asap. We were not allowed to leave the train at any stage.

RIP to who ever it was, and best of luck to the driver in the future, the poor chap must be very upset.

Binomate · 12-09-2007 05:31PM

purplengold wrote:

I wouldn’t say that the junior cert is meaningless, the ESB only look for the best junior certs when they are looking for apprentices. They don’t look for leaving cert results.

The only value the Junior Cert has to anyone is that it gives the student some experience in state examinations before the Leaving Cert. It also may be useful to someone who fails at secondary school and drops out before the leaving cert. Even at that, it's pretty useless.

P.s, To anyone else who hasn't the balls to admit that killing yourself over Junior Cert. results is beyond retarded, and who is offended by what I've got to say, I beg you to cry more. It's delicious.

eth0_ · 12-09-2007 05:33PM

lazygit wrote:

RIP to who ever it was, and best of luck to the driver in the future, the poor chap must be very upset.

Indeed. It's a particularly selfish way of committing suicide - not giving a thought to the poor driver and railway staff who have to live with having killed someone with the train, and seeing their body scattered over the tracks. Wouldn't be surprised if it has ruined some drivers lives.

Call Me Jimmy · 12-09-2007 05:35PM

Re: kids feeling pressure over junior cert results

I think that some of them get the impression that if ye do badly in the junior cert then ye don't get into the honours classes for leaving cert so don't even have a chance to do well in leaving cert either and that means they don't have a chance at college and then they don't have a chance at a job etc etc... so they are not just pissed off bout the results but the effect these results will have on the rest of my life.

It's crazy but unless someone tells him/her it's not true then they will continue to think it.

MrJoeSoap · 12-09-2007 05:36PM

I've been living in Perth, Australia for the past few months and they have a very hard-hitting and widespread campaign to stop people crossing the tracks and/or commiting suicide. The 'slogans' are particularly effective, though I don't feel this is a right time to mention them.

Zaph · 12-09-2007 05:37PM

Heard about this in work today, the girl was in the same class as the daughter of a very good friend of mine. Regardless of what, with the benefit of hindsight, people here think about the importance of the Junior Cert, to a student going through it it's one of the most important things in their life at that particular time. The stress involved, whether through pressure from parents or the pressure the student puts on themself, can be as bad as the stress any of us may experience in later life in more "adult" situations. A reform of the exam system to put more emphasis on continuous assessment rather than a single exam would IMO lessen some of the pressure and hopefully we wouldn't see a repeat of this tragic event.

Pinker · 12-09-2007 05:55PM

Binomate wrote:

The only value the Junior Cert has to anyone is that it gives the student some experience in state examinations before the Leaving Cert. It also may be useful to someone who fails at secondary school and drops out before the leaving cert. Even at that, it's pretty useless.

P.s, To anyone else who hasn't the balls to admit that killing yourself over Junior Cert. results is beyond retarded, and who is offended by what I've got to say, I beg you to cry more. It's delicious.

Look you deliciously dumb f u c k, you don't know why this girl took these actions, it's most probable that a series of events unkown to you or I influenced her actions-not just the results of the junior cert. Now you and all the others that think suicide is selfish fail to realise that mental illness cause peoples mental functions to operate at sub-optimal levels hence their clouded judgement. Take a read off the thread on world suicide prevention day and enlighten yourself, and yeah the driver will be upset but he'll get over it, it's the least important issue here really.

Terry · 12-09-2007 06:01PM

Binomate banned.
Pinker, no personal abuse. Read the charter.

Pinker · 12-09-2007 06:03PM

Apologies, I attempted to pm but didn't know how, anyway good riddance.

Terry · 12-09-2007 06:15PM

Pinker wrote:

Apologies, I attempted to pm but didn't know how, anyway good riddance.

Careful now.
I don't take kindly to gloating.

mental07 · 12-09-2007 06:18PM

Jesus, that's awful news.

The Junior Cert IS stressful at the time, no doubt about it. It's only afterwards that you sort of realise that it's not that big a deal in the greater scheme of things.

Poor girl.

humanji · 12-09-2007 07:01PM

Can't say if it's true or not, because I was told by someone who said they knew the girls family, but I was told that the girl got all A's and B's. Anyone else able to verify this? Because if it's true, I can only imagine that it was parental pressure to do even better that drove her over the edge.But, again I say that this is just what I've been told and my opinion.

GLaDOS · 12-09-2007 07:02PM

Mentioned it to my mam and she said it was on the news, very sad

"Incident" at Howth Junction station

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